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|5 years 2 weeks ago||12 men on field penalty||
If it's only five yards and repeat the down (but they don't put the time back on the clock), why wouldn't every team intentionally play 12 (or 13 or 14) in that situation (other side is out of timeouts, needs to go 50+ yards, and there are only 15 to 30 seconds left)? It's like how Bielema used to go incredibly offsides on kickoffs near the end of the first half, knowing it could run down the clock and prevent the other team from getting the ball (before they changed the rule).
|5 years 15 weeks ago||Maybe they are not||
Or maybe they are poor fishermen?
|5 years 15 weeks ago||LOL||
|5 years 15 weeks ago||Denard last year||
Big Ten player of the year and something like 6th in the Heisman voting. If we're talking about the talent deficiency today, I hope you mean our OC (who went from Auburn to a MWC school), and our approximately .500 lifetime coach (who even put on a headset at the end!). Hoke's a nice guy and I'll root for him, and our environment is so toxic that we need him to succeed (we'll never accept an outsider, and who is left of the Carr tree -- Ron English?!), but it sure would be nice for us to open up the checkbook to hire some assistants to add to Mattison.
|5 years 15 weeks ago||Promotions for geniuses||
Do you think the Auburn OC job was just a stepping stone for a coveted OC position in the Mountain West?
|5 years 15 weeks ago||Martz||
Was he ever banished to the Mountain West?
|5 years 15 weeks ago||From SEC to Mountain West||
The move from Auburn to a Mountain West team is not a promotion. Why do people think Borges is a good OC? Why didn't any decent conference want him after he washed out at Auburn? This isn't rocket science, folks.
|5 years 15 weeks ago||Denard needs a competent OC||
Did you notice the last two drives we weren't pulling that crap of taking Denard out at QB every third play to force him out of rhythm?
Our OC is who we thought he is. Our DC is who we thought he is. One we pulled away from the Ravens with a boatload of money and the good fortune of him having a new grandkid in Michigan and a close relationship with Hoke. The other went from the SEC to the Mountain West, which is not a promotion, folks.
|5 years 15 weeks ago||More pain||
This thread caused me to search on the site for Sammy Watkins. It was a little less than a year ago that TomVH let us know he heard we were in the driver's seat for Watkins. Would have loved to see him on the field with Denard and company.
|5 years 15 weeks ago||This is the question to ask (whether he used it in the past)||
Does anyone know the answer? I fear the answer is he hasn't used it in the past.
(Meant to reply to comment above)
|5 years 17 weeks ago||I feel like||
The tide is turning, you know? Selling jerseys and such? A million years?
|5 years 17 weeks ago||"How could Borges not adjust to this?"||
Ideally, being OC at Auburn is not a stepping stone to the same position at a Mountain West school.
|5 years 18 weeks ago||Talent gap||
Do you mean the talent gap in the staff? Because I have no idea what Borges, Hecklinski, Ferrigno, et al. were doing yesterday to address MSU's defensive game plan.
|5 years 21 weeks ago||I-formation||
"Because Denard’s such a featured runner in our offense, I don’t know if the tailbacks are ever going to get huge numbers until we just jump into the I formation and start doing that every play, which we’re not doing as long as Denard’s the quarterback -- not every play, anyway."
I take it by "huge numbers," he is not talking about YPC. Ugg. I'm not looking forward to what we do two years from now.
|5 years 23 weeks ago||Best analysis I've seen yet on both sides of the ball||
Thanks for posting this. Seems fair, and helpful for those of us who cannot find time to re-watch it and analyze each position (if we knew what to look for). Much appreciated.
|5 years 23 weeks ago||Balanced MANBALL||
To all the RR detractors, wasn't one of the complaints about last year the percentage of offense that was coming from one person? (I remember that stat as one of the many memes in the campaign against RR's offense.) Question: what percentage of this year's offense in the ND game came from one person? Is that now sustainable because of the TOUGHNESS that comes from being around Hoke?
And to address the OP's point about stats, last year Denard had a 60% completion rate and zero INTs in the ND game. This year he completed 45% of his passes and threw 3 INTs. Not sure in which world 45 > 60 or 3 INTs is a better stat than 0 INTs. We obviously moved into a very high variance, risky deep passing game. If you think that will lead to more victories over time, or is a better overall strategy than a RR offense, that's your prerogative.
I also thought MANBALL promoted first downs, sustained drives, giving the defense some time to rest, etc. Look at the number of first downs we had. Look at the time of possession -- truly an old school, Carr/Hoke stat -- ND had the ball 15 more minutes than we did! How many first downs did Michigan have in the first three quarters? Last year, Michigan had sustained drives of 9 plays (Missed FG -- RR's fault, of course), 10 plays (Missed FG -- Hold the Rope means shank the FG), and 12 plays (TD). This year we didn't have a drive greater than 5 plays. Again, if we're going up-tempo, Oregon offense, who cares about TOP or sustained drives. But I thought this is Michigan, and we hired someone who didn't need a map to the campus? The offensive output on Saturday night didn't show that we were back to whatever platonic ideal of offense that TOUGH, practicing-against-spread-leads-to-meek-defenses, true Michigan Men want.
|5 years 29 weeks ago||JC transfers||
Didn't Hoke have four of them last year at San Diego State?
Also, good thing that Mike Martin will finally develop some toughness thanks to Hoke's teaching methodology. /s
|5 years 30 weeks ago||5th year at Ball State was 7-6 (Hoke)||
That was the first year he tied or beat the record Bill Lynch had in the last year of his tenure at Ball State (6-6). Let's hope Hoke doesn't "turn it around without anyone noticing" in the way he did at Ball State, or we are in for many, many years of pain.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||Need a new song||
I love that song, and those videos, but that was the RR era. I was and am a RR fan, and have my doubts about how we handled the transition (Brandon's comments about not needing a map of the campus, etc., etc.), cringe at the arguments people make against the old regime, etc., but it's the beginning of a new era, and Hoke/Mattison need a different song. I'll have bittersweet memories of the past era (I'm sure some people will chime in and say, IT WAS ONLY BITTER), but let's leave that in the past and use a new song for the new era.
|5 years 32 weeks ago||7-6 -- over .500||
If over .500 is atrocious, what is under lifetime under .500 (47-50) called? What is 5 seasons under .500 (out of eight coached), with a sixth being 7-6 called?
Which isn't to say he won't do just fine at UM. He won't be undercut at every turn, he brought in Mattison, nearly every starter is returning, etc., etc. Bill Stewart put together three straight years of 9-4 with excellent assistants. We should be able to return to that kind of success.
|5 years 36 weeks ago||Indiana's put together a nice staff||
They've lost a few of the new coaches, but I respect the choices they've made.
|5 years 38 weeks ago||Winning record||
The original poster was being honest and frank. Despite the great things he has done during his tenure as the head coach of Michigan (recruiting), Hoke still does not have a winning record overall as a head coach for his whole career. Tressel had one of the best winning percentage of any coach. It wasn't that preposterous for the original poster to think that Hoke, while achieving success at Michigan, would not win more times than lose against a coach like Tressel.
|5 years 38 weeks ago||Youngstown State||
Can you elaborate about what Tressel did at YSU?
|5 years 38 weeks ago||Desmond's envy||
When Denard first started to break out, I quickly got the sense from his on-air comments that Desmond worried he would be eclipsed -- that Denard's exploits (e.g., the 500 yard game, the Heisman pose that wasn't planned against Notre Dame, the longest run in ND stadium, etc.) would overtake Desmond in future Michigan highlight reels for the upcoming decades. This incident reminds me of that.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Ball State||
What turnaround? He inherited a .500 team; his first four years he was sub-.500. His fifth year he was half a game above .500. In his sixth year, he had an abmorally good year, but couldn't finish it, losing as a ranked team to an unranked Buffalo, with Hoke then leaving before a beating a bowl game. And the foundation he built? Did they remain near the top of the MAC after he left? If I roll a pair of dice 6 times and get an 11 once, I'm going to quit and start telling people that I turned the dice around.
He may succeed greatly at Michigan, and we might all love him in the end, but his resume is his resume. I remember a month or two before we hired him, I was told the same thing by my fanatical sports lover brother -- there's no way Michigan would hire Hoke. He went to a MAC school; I went to Michigan. He didn't understand that we would put bloodlines above all else.
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Your response||
Next time, consider responding thusly:
"You, sir, are a charismatic older gentleman, and I am sure you will go far."
|5 years 43 weeks ago||Intelligent, adaptable, and experienced?||
The man may "get Michigan" or love toughness or what have you, but he has a lifetime sub-.500 head coaching record and has never even won his conference (even the MAC or the MWC). Hate on RR all you want, but whether it's BCS Bowl Game victories, conference titles (Big East), or even success as an OC (Tulane's 13-0 season), he has Hoke beat on at least two of the three things you cite. Really didn't wish we had to live in Crazytown if we're Michigan fans.
|5 years 44 weeks ago||5 more months of RR||
The problem is -- what can we talk about for the next five months? That spring game did nothing to calm the fears some of us have about Borges and Hoke. (Even RR fans wanted the D situation to be addressed; Michigan finally opened the checkbook and it looks like it's addressed.) Hoke's resume (and the resume of guys like Hecklinski and Ferrigno) isn't going to change over the next five months. And we have Brandon in our face about how now we're going to play Michigan football, and the media telling us that Hoke will recruit tough players (anyone here think Vincent Smith isn't tough? Taylor Lewan not tough?) -- it makes me want to vomit.
|5 years 44 weeks ago||You are different than Brandon||
He has publicly denigrated the Illinois win. That's not "Michigan football" to him. Can't wait to go back to the Oregon games -- MANBALL versus 21st century will be a blast (again)!
|5 years 44 weeks ago||Fans will not be appeased||
Hasn't Dave Brandon said that anyone who enjoyed the Illinois win last year is an idiot, and he would invite him to a basketball game instead?
This hire was about appeasing the old players and the old guard.
Brandon does not care if "fans" want to see 21st century football, or "communist" football where the QB can run. Hell, fans would turn up to see Les Miles do something crazy (4th and 12 from the 30? Fake FG time!). But we're going to get tough, manball, rarr, rarrr, toughness. And Hoke will wear shorts in that weather -- tough! Hour fifteen sure isn't very long, but maybe he didn't want to discourage the players or fans with any more of what we saw.