Hoke's injury disclosure policy
While I understand the reasons for not disclosing specific injury information - such as HIPAA and alerting future opponents to vulnerabilites, I generally dislike this stance. Even more, his increasingly smug attitude toward the media on this and other things.
In a world where professional sports (the ones I watch anyway) disclose injuries to the world via a disabled list, and I am sure it is as simple as signing a waiver to release medical information, why is this such a big deal with Hoke?
For example - no one had and still doesn't have much of a clue why Funchess, Raymon Tayor, Peppers, Morgan and others have had limited or no time. If they aren't going to play anyway, why not disclose the injury? When Denard got so much criticism in 2011 (?) for his play, we find out months later he had a staph infection.
Anyhow, I know I don't matter one bit as a fan and Hoke doesn't give a crap what the fans or the media think, but during such tumultious times he is not doing himself any favors by his attitude here, particularly with the Michigan fan base, the M Alum and increasing negative publicity he is receiving - this is a collectively powerful group. Just my thoughts as a fan, but does anyone have any real insight as to why college coaches do this? MGoCoaches out there?
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:25 PM ^
At this point, I think he and the media have other things they'd like to talk about. I could be wrong, though.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^
NFL teams are required to by league policy. Because gambling.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^
think it is a "policy," I think it is just him trying to have a thing so that he still has a coaching identity. If you think about it, his entire coaching identity has consisted of little things, "Fergodsakes," "Ohio," "Look, no sleeves." Now it is "I don't talk about injuries."
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^
then we should demand mrs. hoke have a press conference.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^
...when I want Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.
THAT's what I hate!
I swear, it's not going to change people, no need to continue whining about Hoke and the injuries. Put it on the shelf next to your too much clapping and headset complaints and just leave it there.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^
You know what else burns my ass? A flame about THAT high....
/holds hand up at waist level.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^
"Arsehole level" if you will.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^
You're hip to my jive. You're pickin up what I'm layin' down. You're eatin what I'm cookin. You're saluting what I'm sending up the flag pole. You're smelling what I'm stepping in. You're hearing what I'm playing.
September 22nd, 2014 at 4:57 PM ^
circa 1981.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
One of the most disappointing feelings in the world.
A saving grace: In California, I once stopped at a Chick-Fil-A on a Sunday and it was of course closed. However, there was an In-N-Out right next to it. Day and meal saved.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^
smh. I can't believe people are still writing posts about topics like this, as if there needs to be a debate. The "policy" if you want to call it that was assinine from the first moment he mentioned it and it will always be assinine, there's nothing to discuss, dont' give it a moment, an ounce of legitamacy. He's just a not bright fellow in way way over his head and he's dealing with it......umm....poorly.
And HIPAA? really? does HIPPA only apply in Ann Arbor?
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^
And HIPAA? really? does HIPPA only apply in Ann Arbor?
Of course, what exactly did you think the AA stood for? Geez.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^
As far as I know, only the ACC has anything akin to an organized injury reporting procedure like the NFL's and while there has been talk in other conferences, there is no overarching policy regarding this at the college level.
The Big East toyed with something like this a few years ago but never implemented it, so it stands that, in most corners of FBS, coaches and programs are not obligated by any external regulation to tell anyone who is injured, how they were injured and for how long. That being said, individual policies by program tend to vary greatly in my understanding, although no one is too eager to say too much, and it seems like many schools do get some information out there with waivers and selected communications between teams and the sports information staff. The point is that there is no real standard.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^
If Hoke implemented this policy when we were 11-2 it'd be a non-issue and possibly heralded as a return to The Fort missing under RR. As it is, it's just one more thing to bitch about and pile on to a coach in dire straits. Either way, of the things to be concerned about regarding Hoke and this team, this is so low on the list of importance that it doesn't even register.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^
This was easy to find by the way:
http://www.donbest.com/ncaaf/injuries/
| Michigan | |||||||||
| Date | Pos | Player | Injury | Status | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 09/21/14 | DB | Jarrod Wilson | Undisclosed | "?" Saturday vs. Minnesota U | |||||
| 09/21/14 | DB | Raymon Taylor | Knee | "?" Saturday vs. Minnesota U | |||||
| 09/09/14 | LB | Desmond Morgan | Arm | out indefinitely | |||||
| 09/04/14 | OL | Kyle Bosch | Personal | out indefinitely | |||||
| 08/28/14 | WR | Drake Harris | Hamstring | out indefinitely | |||||
| 08/28/14 | RB | Ty Isaac | Eligibility | out for season | |||||
| 08/09/14 | DB | Delano Hill | Jaw | out indefinitely | |||||
It doesn't matter one iota whether Brady Hoke decides to disclose injury to Player X or Player F in press conference. As I recall, previous UM coaches were equally reluctant to share a lot of detail about player injuries lest it tip the scales of competitive advantage for next game preparation. Bo, Mo and Lloyd didn't willingly share a lot of that info. Rodriguez was the most open about it.
In my view, it doesn't serve any purpose except to provide napalm fuel to those who want to second-guess every fucking decision the Michigan coaching staff makes from here on out (ex.: "When will Shane Morris be dubbed the starter?"). I understand this want, but it doesn't make the request any less pointless.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^
Can anyone explain why Hoke should talk in detail about injuries? "I want to know" is not a legitimate reason.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^
He shouldn't, its the one thing he is actually doing correctly.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:54 PM ^
man you guys are part of the problem. its football, its supposed to be fun.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
Well I for one have never had more fun than knowing the injuries of 18-23 year olds.
It's easy to overcome losing, if only we knew who was injured and for how long.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^
How the guy you are responding to is part of the problem or how injury disclosure has anything to do with football being fun.
I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just don't understand either.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^
If it's less fun for you because you don't know whether Funchess's injury is a strain or a sprain, you should maybe take a break for a little bit.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:41 PM ^
I'm more worried about his COACHING policy, it must be to not actually coach.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
Poor offensive line play? Turnovers? Special teams fuckups? Nope, Hoke's refusal to discuss injuries is really the main reason we lost to Utah.
Ooops, forgot headsets also too.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
did he edit his post? I couldn't find where he said its why we lost.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^
Nope, none of that. Hoke was wearing long sleeves pre-game -- that sunk the battleship.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
All of these guys that have been injured for the majority of the year will play, even if they only get in for one series in the last game of the season.
Why?
Because fuck redshirts, that's why!
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
For example - no one had and still doesn't have much of a clue why Funchess, Raymon Tayor, Peppers, Morgan and others have had limited or no time. If they aren't going to play anyway, why not disclose the injury?
Because Minnesota should be forced to prepare for a Michigan team at full strength and distribute their practice time to cover all eventualities: Funchess, Peppers, etc..
Most teams do this anyway unless a major, critical injury leads to a strategic vulnerability that can be exploited with a new game plan.
This is a college football game, not a legal board of inquiry.
If Minnesota knows for certain that key Michigan players are out, then they in theory would be afforded greater competitive advantage to hone their practice time and/or modify their strategic focus on Michigan's vulnerabilities.
There is of course the reverse psychology about injuries that Hayden Fry was famous for at Iowa (besides the pink-painted opponent dressing rooms). He would hold a "pity party" press conference with the media during game week about how "we're just decimated with injuries" and thenby kickoff miraculously his best players are all healed. Man, Bo really hated that shit.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^
Feel free to meander a thread or two down into the betting thread and pony up for charity if you disagree.
Plus, it's for charity.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^
Very simple...WIN GAMES and this will all go away.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
Morgan's injury has been covered by some, but i know because he is from my hometown..
He has or had his arm in a cast, and apparently he tore or broke something in his hand..
Which is why Morgan has not been playing..
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^
At this point it doesn't matter. Hoke is becoming more and more paranoid. Great coaches prepare well regardless of who knows what about injuries. The bottom line is that if you win, people will say everything you do is genius whether it has anything to do with actual success or not and if you lose everything you do is likewise demonized. I thought Hoke could at least motivate his team, but right now the team itself looks as lifeless as some of its strategies. Who cares who is injured?
September 22nd, 2014 at 5:45 PM ^
Hoke just happened to stumble across a Belichick presser and thought..."Damn, if can put Tom Brady on the injury report every week with a 'shoulder' it must be great coaching to mess around with injury info."
On a side note, I am waiting for Frank Caliendo to have a dynamite Hoke impression by the end of the year, although he wouldn't exactly SAY much.
September 22nd, 2014 at 10:15 PM ^
They have a rule forcing them to. Pro leagues also have disabled lists and the possibility of filling roster spots for injured players. While some coaches are more fortchoming than others, no one is disclosing everything. You're comparing apples to oranges while throwing in grutuitous comments about a smug attitude that I don't think you could back up.
What was your point about bringing up Denard's injury in 2011? That seems like a perfect example of when you wouldn't want the opponent to know about an injury.