Harbaugh Recruiting Tactics

Submitted by Blueblood2991 on

Mods feel free to delete since this is hearsay, but I've seen a lot of "disappointment" in Harbaugh's recruiting tactics the past few days on the blog.  So I figured I would post this.

My former teammate's cousin is (probably was at this point) a Michigan commit.  I will leave his name out for privacy reasons.  I talked to my buddy last weekend, and he told me that his cousin would probably be playing at a different school.

However, he had nothing but good things to say about Harbaugh and his staff.  He said the coaches meticulously laid out who his competition would be, and explained to him that they weren't done recruiting the position yet.  Harbaugh also told him that his scholarship to one of the best academic institutes was absolutely still available to him, but he would need to work his ass off to see any playing time.  Said recruit has decided that while academics are important, playing football is his true passion and wants to see the field sooner than later.  He would rather fine tune his game on the field and get better. 

He also said he was ecstatic with the Michigan offer, because not a lot of schools were looking at him before.  Now he has quite a few offers.

Again feel free to delete.  This is only one recruit; I have no idea about any of the others.  I was having a hard time believing that the coaching staff was simply ignoring recruits (nothing about Harbaugh's personality suggests that type of passive-aggressive behavior).  There is always two sides to every story.  A true leader has to make tough decisions.  Not everything can be unicorns and rainbows.

*Queue brother's sister's cousin twice removed comments.

alum96

January 20th, 2016 at 8:18 AM ^

I probably kiss more Dantonio ass as a football coach / developer as anyone here and have the 2012-2014 downtoves to prove it but guy ain't a saint.

He said he'd redshirt a guy who brandished a gun as a punishment - it was because of family values and all.  Once MSU suffered a few injuries at RB guess who was playing to win a game.... brandish gun guy.

He had a guy who kicked a police vehicle while drunk play all year.  Oh same guy who was legally "super drunk" the year prior and missed all of 1 game playing all year.

As others have said, he pulled a kid out of jail to go play him. 

He is a Tressel acolyte - and called Tressel a "tragic hero".  Apple doesnt fall from from tree.

By the way I dont think Jim is above questioning on anything either and I am just laughing at all the "I wont pass judgement until I hear BOTH sides of the stories" comments here - you will NEVER hear both sides of the story so apparently you will never pass judgement then.  But most of those same people will pass judgement on Urban's actions when only 1 side of the story is heard.

It's fine to be hypocritical - just own it people.

Generally all these highly succcessful people are hyper competitive and push boundaries to a degree one way or the other - that is different from being a bad person.

p.s. glad to hear the OP comments.

Bambi

January 20th, 2016 at 10:34 AM ^

I never said Dantonio is a saint. He clearly has no idea what to do in terms of disciplining his players. But he has never been accused of anything like Harbaugh has right now with Swenson.

I never said Harbaugh should be like Dantonio. I said Dantonio beat OSU and won the B1G without shady recruiting this past year, contrary to what the OP said was possible. And Delton Williams played no factor in either of those things, he had 26 carries all year, 8 against us that made no difference in the final outcome of the game.

I think for the rest of your post we're generally on the same page. You're right about the both sides comment. And I'm not saying I don't want Harbaugh as our coach, I'm just saying what he did here was shitty, and it's hypocritical/stupid to think otherwise.

Danwillhor

January 20th, 2016 at 12:29 AM ^

aside from autocorrect errors the point is dead on and needs to be repeated. Do we want to win again? Yes? Did we task Harbaugh with returning UM to elite status? Yes? Are we cheating? No? What's the problem? You want to live in a world where Michigan never hurts any feelings and is also the top CFB program in America? Not possible. So, get used to winning without cheating but refusing to bring players we feel won't play OR.....move on? Something other than watching a winning team that doesn't cheat to win but occasionally hurts a kid's feelings before either the kid or UM owe each other anything.

lilpenny1316

January 20th, 2016 at 12:04 AM ^

Isn't that true of every recruit?  Even Gary has to do that to see the field.  If you don't, you become Derrick Green.  I'm not calling BS here, but how many guys truly expect to get immediate playing time at a school like Michigan?  This still sounds like "we have a shot to get someone way better than you" followed with a firm parting handshake.

lilpenny1316

January 20th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^

This is a 4/5 year decision and he now has a couple weeks to schedule some visits, meet coaches and hope to make an informed decision.  If it's me, and Michigan is my dream school, I'm still signing with Michigan unless they officially pull the offer.  Even if I'm not a 4-year starter, I'm getting NFL level coaching which means I can be the next "Glasgow" tearing it up at Senior Bowl practices.

Hail Harbo

January 20th, 2016 at 12:30 AM ^

This still sounds like "we have a shot to get someone way better than you" followed with a firm parting handshake.

Or it should be.  Nobody should be guaranteed playing time without the risk of somebody else trying to take their position.  Who knows, maybe Swenson was told that he wasn't living up to expectations and that his current course had him remaining on the demonstration squad for four years.  How is it a bad thing to tell a student athlete the truth?

BlueCube

January 20th, 2016 at 7:45 AM ^

applying for college. You apply, they go through everyone and take the best and if you don't get in, you have to apply elsewhere. It's not a first come basis. You also have to meet continued standards or it may go away. Same goes for academic scholarships. A lot of the complaining people probably posting complaints on what a disappointment certain players are.

BroadneckBlue21

January 20th, 2016 at 8:32 AM ^

want to see the field immediately. I thought I should be starting my freshman year for my state championship winning high school team. I wanted to play, in the least. You play the game to play, so may say Yogi Berra in his grave.

Most UM players are there and want to be there because of the football history. The academics ice the yUMmy cake. 

And do you really think Gary being told he has to work hard and Rashad Weaver being told he has to work hard is going to be the same message? Harbaugh probably tells them what he thinks their potential is, too. 

I tell my college students all of the time my evaluations of what they need to do to get an A or B, even a C. If a kid has things that are holding him or her back, I am going to let them know I think those obstacles may be what is impeding their work. I'm going to let them know as soon as I have changed my evaluation. I do this after evaluating a few of their assignments and how they act (attendance, particiaption, attitude, etc.) within the classroom over a length of time. 

VauntedD

January 20th, 2016 at 12:06 AM ^

I support Harbaugh in every way. He tells them the truth about playing time and the hard work necessary. He doesn't tell them what they want to hear. It's sad for certain kids and I wish them all the best no matter what they decide.

Yoda24

January 20th, 2016 at 12:10 AM ^

Its called recruting it might not be exactly right but do you wanna compete with Osu and the Alabama's or not.  Yea we probably should not have offered and accepted all these lower guys right off the bat but it was still Harbaugh's first full year.  Plus we don't know the full story and probably never will.  

SD Larry

January 20th, 2016 at 1:22 AM ^

this very interesting real life example of an individual recruiting situation here.  Affords  perspective in and from the crucible of college football recruiting.  One of my own personal, layperson, nonexpert takeaways from the situation you describe is if you want to play football for Coach Harbaugh at Michigan you better either be outstanding and very committed, very good and very, very committed, or good and very, very, very committed to competing and improving in the football meritocracy at Michigan.  Tough game.  Striving for nothing less than excellence in this most competitive game.  Very illuminating Blue Blood 2991. Makes me respect the young men who play this game even more than I already did.  Thanks again.  

DMack

January 20th, 2016 at 12:28 AM ^

It's hard to believe that some of these posts I have seen come from real Michigan supporters. Most of us believe we have the right guy at the helm and that the latest rumors are just that. Until we know different, we would give Harb the benefit of the doubt.  

Instead, we have what I believe are posers on here saying things against our guy without knowing shit!!!!

Sparty, Urban, is that you?????????  

AZBlue

January 20th, 2016 at 1:42 AM ^

they didn't like him as an ILB and not as much as some others at the "Buck".  

Unless Brown dramatically changes the defensive scheme there really isn't much need for a 3rd standup OLB with Peppers as a Hybrid Space player - as seen by the lack of snaps for Ross this year.  He's a very good prospect but just not a fit for M.  (Obviously could be something else but that's the current story.)

Going forward it seems like they are trying to find Peppers-like (or more appropriately Peppers-LITE) athletes to fill that role when he moves on instead of reverting back to a conventional 4-3 or 3-4.  This year those athletes would be possibly Hudson or Fuller if either commits or one of the FL teammates of Bush Jr.

Wolfman

January 20th, 2016 at 12:43 AM ^

It's good to see something like that because it's in line with many of our views. However, and you could be telling the complete truth, without an actual report by referenced player, we will all still hold those views we initially presented. In no way, take that as to doubt t veracity of post.

I would just like to add this to what I've already mentioned about Harbaugh's character and his sense of obligation, based on who he is, obligation to position, as well along with what many SEC and now a few ACC coaches are bitching about. he is all about giving as much exposure to high school players to ehance their chances at possibly receiving an education in exchange for their skills on the football field. Of course he is hoping to find a diamond in the rough and increase the size of his footprint in areas not considered his backyard, but devoting this much time to increase exposure, as well as a standing invitation to all coaches in any given area, speaks volumes. If they took him up on this offer, would that increase or decrease their stature? I do know bitching about it gains them nothing.

But the one most important factor in considering this issue is that JH plans on being here until he decides not to be. I am convinced this could very well be his last job in football, unless he moves into an administrative position when and if he should ever start running low on energy.

Given this, and with full knowledge by every poster who has chimed in on this, we all can agree this man is definitely a "Big Picture" man. What his mind conceives right now we will be more than privileged to witness when it occurs.  He is absolutely aware of the fact to realize his vision he can do nothing to even suggest his credibility is questionable. That is a given. He cannot build his program with recruits having the slightest hesitation as to what they hear is anything other than what will take place. In the end, it all boils down to nothing more than that.

So given the worst case scenario, which would cause an unbearable stink, and to which many have so quickly jumped, you should really ask yourself if it's possible to realize his vision without being totally forthright to all those he is carefully selecting as capable to make his vision a reality and doing his best to ensure they end up in AA?  If you answer that question honestly, this matter should be laid to rest. This isn't a case similar to Tressel and Carrol's promises to make life as easy as possible to players every coach in America would have loved to coach.

Believe me, he would not give anyone ammunition to use against him. Just as coaches were using Lloyd's impending retirement against him at the end of his career, they would not hesitate to use even a hint of lack of credibility if they could substantiate it. This, my friehds, simply will not happen. His recruits know exactly what is expected and the message was quicly dispatched to those recruits he inherited.

You should rest easy in realizing Hackett knew who he was getting both as a coach and a man.

BIGBLUEWORLD

January 20th, 2016 at 1:26 AM ^

Pushing the envelope in the competitive sport of recruiting, while maintaining high ethical and professional standards, must be challenging. I get the sense that coach Harbaugh has the character and integrity to stay on the right side of what must sometimes be a thin line.

While it may not be as bad as we sometimes imagine, there are bagmen and courtesans and oversigning and lower admission standards all over the college football landscape. Coach Harbaugh is to be commended for attacking this challenge with all the energy, creativity and force of will we could ever expect from our football coach.

While he has to make some tough calls and lay it on the line with our potential recruits, I expect he will treat these young men with respect. As I see it, that's the Michigan way.

Go Blue.

SC Wolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 1:14 AM ^

This sounds credible to me.  I had been thinking about this and I asked myself how I would try to handle it.  The situation is that you have a committed recruit whose development suggests he wouldn't be that great of an asset at Michigan.  Meanwhile you need the slot for a very talented guy.  So what do you do?  The answer is that you sit down with the non-developing guy and lay out the cards for him.  No stud athlete (and they are all stud athletes) wants to go to a situation where they no longer see him fitting in when they have other places that are dying to have him.  

Now, if I could figure that out on my own, I think it's safe to say that Harbaugh would have thought of it.  So the only question is whether Harbaugh has the moral fortitude to have such a conversation.  And of course he does.

ElBictors

January 20th, 2016 at 1:18 AM ^

I don't think it has to go as far as replacing a non developing player as much as its breaking the hard truth to a kid who isn't going to compete against the talent around him. Case in point - the kid going to Iowa State instead of M. That's not exactly a comparable program, by a long shot.

drjaws

January 20th, 2016 at 1:18 AM ^

So your former roommate's cousin doesn't want to work his ass for playing time?

Like, he wants it handed to him? Or be able to start but not have to work too hard for it? Maybe his work ethic is the issue. He probably wouldn't do well at Michigan anyways sounds like.



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Blueblood2991

January 20th, 2016 at 1:33 AM ^

Not even close.  I'll put it metaphorically.

Harbaugh is CEO of Chase Bank.  Recruit is a teller.  Harbaugh tells recruit that he has the potential to be a branch manager eventually, but other candidates have God-given talents that make them immediate qualifiers.

Recruit can either stay a teller for four years and learn all he can, with the possibility that he can compensate for the talent gap, or hope the earlier candidates don't pan out.

Or, he can go run his own small credit union immediately and probably be successful.  

Recruits decision.