Georgia 247 thread discussing their covid protocols
Per a Georgia 247 staff member:
"Players and staffers who test positive are required to quarantine 10 days from when symptoms began.
I've done some digging on the testing out of the COVID protocol and I believe the rule is the individual must test negative twice and 24 hours apart in order to exit quarantine early. As of right now, there's no surveillance testing at all, to my knowledge, unless the individual is unvaccinated. Players who show COVID symptoms are tested."
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:21 AM ^
If I read this right, they’re saying they only test if symptomatic. Seems like this will be the trend going forward.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:24 AM ^
I agree. No reason to test someone without symptoms especially if they are vaccinated.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:26 AM ^
No reason to test someone without symptoms only if they are vaccinated.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^
Aren't vaccinated people more likely to be asymptomatic carriers?
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated people can be asymptomatic carriers. Vaccinated would be less likely, since they are less likely to be infected at all.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:35 PM ^
Not exactly. Particularly with Omicron.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:37 PM ^
Less likely at a population level, yes. But comparing two people, one vaccinated and one not, that both have contracted Covid, the one that is vaccinated is more likely to be asymptomatic than the one without the vaccine. I think that's what he is saying.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^
Maybe what I didn't make clear is I assume that anyone with a single symptom would automatically isolate until tested. So if ten asymptomatic people walk through a door, 5 vaxxed and 5 unvaxxed, there is a chance that any of them could have it and be spreading it without knowing. Whether it's more or less is hard to say but also kinda irrelevant because BOTH groups pose a risk.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^
If you think anyone with a single symptom will isolate themself, you have far too much faith in humanity. People, in general, are terrible.
December 22nd, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
The probability of a vaccinated person being infected is lower, all else being equal, as is the probability that a vaccinated person would be infectious.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^
your logic is flawed
December 22nd, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^
No, because there is a difference in the base rate (more vaccinated people at this point).
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^
No reason unvaccinated testing of symptoms for only vaccinated people
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:28 AM ^
Sure... except technically people can still transmit the virus even if they are asymptomatic (and vaccinated)... but we're not supposed to talk about that.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^
Anyone with half an ounce of common sense would understand that a vaccine that makes you less symptomatic but doesn't prevent you from spreading it would make you a more dangerous threat to spread the virus if you decide to not take any more precautions proactively.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^
Following the Jared Goff situation, there's apparently a measurement to test someone's contagiousness (sp?). If they are above the number, even if COVID positive, they can practice/play because they're not contagious. That seems like a positive development in getting vaccinated players back on the field sooner than before.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
Agreed, wear a mask and make smart choices about where you go. But this logic also suggests the vaccinated should live more of a sheltered life than the unvaccinated because unvaccinated who feel fine must not be sick, so can do what they want. But vaccinated who feel fine could be sick and so need to stay away from others. That should definitely not be the way to approach this.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:36 PM ^
Not sure I understand the downvotes here. Brutus seems to be suggesting (or is perhaps posing this argument for further discussion?) the vaccinated need to be more cautious than the unvaccinated because of the higher likelihood of being asymptomatic and therefore a greater risk of unknowingly spreading covid.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^
I'm not sure why I even bother. People are literally copy-pasting-altering my statement to fit what they want me to have said.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:53 PM ^
Your comment and then defense of it is not 100% clear what you’re trying to say. I think you’re promoting a discussion topic. And the topic is that vaccinated people who think they don’t have take any precautions (no masks, crowded bars, etc.) could be more dangerous due to asymptomatic spread risk being higher. If so, I agree. Vaccination isn’t a free pass to a pre-covid life.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
I haven't been keeping up with all this but I do recall that pre-vaccine, there was asymptomatic Covid. Has that changed among the unvaccinated?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^
No, I don’t think so. Just the odds of asymptomatic infection are higher with the vaccinated. Certainly asymptomatic unvaccinated can spread.
edit: I want very clear. If a person has covid, it seems a vaccinated person is more likely to be asymptomatic than an unvaccinated person with covid. I’m not suggesting that vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally likely to have covid as I would think unvaccinated have a higher chance of getting covid I the first place
December 22nd, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^
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December 22nd, 2021 at 12:04 PM ^
While lots is still being learned about omicron, data suggests that in addition to greatly reducing the chances of getting a severe case, vaccines also reduce transmission.
The problem is not vaccinated people spreading Covid, the problem is unvaccinated people overloading the health care system.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:28 PM ^
Having a healthy BMI would achieve the same outcome so maybe people should strive for both
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:41 PM ^
The entire country could get vaccinated and boosted in a few months. You're not going to move the needle on obesity in that same time frame. Talk about a disingenuous comment.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^
That's why I said *both*
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^
No, this is just more of your typical bullshit whataboutism to distract from the fact that you said something rather stupid.
Most of your other comments are less stupid, FWIW
December 22nd, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^
Could have moved the needle on obesity in the past 2 years, though. Instead we focused on increasing anxiety and depression and decreasing trust in each other and public health institutions through manipulation and coercion.
December 23rd, 2021 at 10:40 AM ^
"Could have moved the needle on obesity." Yeah, we were just about to really show obesity's who's boss. Prior to March 2020, the government was showing a whole lot of interest in addressing broad social problems, especially those closely linked to (a) poverty and (b) healthcare. We probably could have really moved the needle on peace in the Middle East, flying cars, and an expanded CFP, too, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE PLANDEMIC.
Suddenly conservatives give a flying fucking rat's ass about mental health. The needle really moved there!
In sum, what a stupid, horseshit comment.
December 23rd, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
With trillions of dollars in funding in that direction, yes, we could have. Of course, some people only believe that we have the ability to stop a virus that's infected over half the population already but have zero power to help people eat healthier diets.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
Age is by far the detriment of severity of illness.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
Determinant, not detriment
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^
Age is by far the detriment of severity of illness.
Not true, if you control for the person's health issues. Yes, older people are more likely to have underlying health concerns, particularly in what I call the Darwin-dominant world, but in the US, we have an extremely large population of people with underlying health issues that explain why our fatality rate is much higher than a lot of developing countries with little access to either clinical care or the vaccine.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:05 PM ^
The vaccine makes you less symptomatic because the virus has a harder time replicating faster than your immune system can knock it out. It doesn’t “treat” symptoms.
All else being equal, a vaccinated person is going to have a lower viral load and be less likely to spread than if they were not vaccinated. Not zero risk, but the idea that a vaccinated person is more dangerous is kind of bonkers.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:08 PM ^
While vaccinated people can definitely still get Covid, the chances of infection are less than those who are unvaccinated.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:22 PM ^
Wow. I'm not going to respond to everyone. I'm simply going to say that none of you responded to what I actually said, but rather things you assume I am thinking because I pointed this out. This is why we aren't getting anywhere as a country. Maybe the reason so many people are distrusting of the narrative is because you can't even ask or point out common sense questions.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:31 PM ^
Well you did start by saying anyone who doesn't agree with you doesn't have common sense. Maybe that's why we aren't getting anywhere as a country..?
Also multiple people seemed to infer that you were saying that being vaccinated is detrimental to containing the spread of covid. Is that your claim?
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:41 PM ^
You think I inferred that because everyone makes the assumption everyone else is on one side or the other, and anyone who says something that counters the narrative MUST be on the side of qanon. I specifically stated if you get the vaccine and stop taking precautions it makes you more dangerous. Not sure how much clearer I can be.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^
I understood what you were saying. I don't think I really agree with it, but I understood it. And I don't think you're a Qanon type.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^
What you actually said was “a vaccine that makes you less symptomatic but doesn't prevent you from spreading it would make you a more dangerous threat to spread the virus”
That’s, without further clarification, a pretty flawed understanding of how this vaccine and this virus work.
But the now you’re doubling down that everyone who doesn’t agree with you 100% lacks common sense and is the reason “we aren’t getting anywhere as a country”. Rather than own up to either a) being wrong or b) being right, but blaming other people for the lack of clarity in your communication.
December 22nd, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^
Thanks for taking my statement out of context by deliberately cutting off the "if" in the sentence that qualifies my entire statement.
Here is the statement you so brazenly took out of context
a vaccine that makes you less symptomatic but doesn't prevent you from spreading it would make you a more dangerous threat to spread the virus IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO TAKE ANY MORE PRECAUTIONS PROACTIVELY
And then you went on to say "without any further clarification"
So yeah, what's the point in saying anything?
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^
"so yeah, what's the point in saying anything?"
I came to that conclusion about COVID about 16 months ago. Everyone's "common sense" is different. Everyone thinks he is virtuous and everyone else is ignorant.
We're in an uncomfortable time right now because Omicron is changing a few things. Those who are determined to be the most common senseful are making quite a few contradictory assertions.
It's particularly uncomfortable because I think we understand there's a high chance the playoffs will be affected. Either that, or we start ignoring who has or doesn't have COVID and let them play if the doctors say they're healthy enough. I think that's what the new NFL protocols are heading toward. I may be wrong about that.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^
Why can't we all just listen to the medical community, who we've been listening to for every other medical and health issue? People seem to be unwilling or unable to come to terms with the fact that no one has all the answers all the time with a moving target like a novel virus (now not-so-novel). The minute recommendations change, it must be a conspiracy! Webster's changed the definition of a vaccine -- conspiracy! That's not what they said four months ago - conspiracy! I really don't understand how people who go to the doctor and take medication -- things that all happen under the guise of our healthcare system and the FDA -- suddenly think those same agencies are out to get everyone or are lying.
December 22nd, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^
As a clinician who has had these epistemological discussions with many patients over the past two years, it's because a lot of our prominent PH and medical voices pretended to have the answers early on and pretended to know how to respond and when a lot of those things turned out to be untrue, people became increasingly skeptical of them, understandably so. Rule 1 of public health is to maintain your own institutional credibility so that you can actually effect change in behavior. The largest failure of this pandemic was the way in which that foundational truth was immediately jettisoned. No real way to fix that in the near term.
December 23rd, 2021 at 7:35 AM ^
I don't know if you'll see this but I wish more doctors like you would speak up. I'm married to a vet and she has said the exact same thing for YEARS about the AVMA and the MVMA. She left both organizations because everything they said and did publicly was all political. It doesn't mean it's a conspiracy, it just means those organizations are just as worried about public opinion as a political group would be. To think it can't happen in human medicine is naive.
December 23rd, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^
I cut it off there because that’s the part that’s false/misleading relative to how the vaccine works. “If you take no precautions” doesn’t make the first part true - the vaccine does not “make you less symptomatic but not prevent you from spreading it”. It reduces the likelihood of both symptoms and spread. It doesn’t 100% “prevent” spread, but it still makes you less likely to spread.
I think you are thinking about the probabilities incorrectly. I think you’re saying that an exposed vaccinated person is more likely than an unvaccinated person to get a totally asymptomatic case that is contagious, so they never know they are infected. Which, yes, for a given exposure/infection, the infection in the vaccinated person is more likely to be asymptomatic. But I’m pretty sure that’s outweighed by the fact that the vaccinated person is less likely to get infected to the point of being contagious in the first place. Not to mention that the unvaccinated person may very well have a period of “asymptomatic but contagious” prior to their infection proceeding to “full blown COVID”
If you are saying “a vaccinated person taking no other precautions is more dangerous than an unvaccinated person taking other precautions” - I still don’t think that’s true, unless the “other protections” are 100% isolation.
On the gripping hand, I think the people who are unvaccinated but taking more diligent precautions than the average vaccinated person are extremely rare.
December 22nd, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^
Nope. The risk isn't that simple. Vaccines reduce infectiousness along with viral load and symptoms. Because symptoms and viral load are associated with infectiousness. Thus, the vaccine significantly reduces the risk of infection, infecting others, and symptoms, all else being equal.
But taking precautions in addition to getting vaccinated is a good idea, because while the vaccines reduce risk to yourself and those around you, they do not eliminate risk.
December 22nd, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^
Less likely and at a far reduced rate per prevalence.
Probability is a thing. You may want to brush up on it before trying your hand at epidemiology.
December 22nd, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^
This all sucks so much for everyone. I just hope the Georgia program is taking it seriously and actually testing those with symptoms, even key players. I'd hate it if they just pop a DayQuil to get through the game and end up knocking a bunch of other players (Michigan's or their own) out of the final.