Galactic OT: U.S. military's paradigm shift in UAPs/UFOs
UAP = Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena
I've always been in the "I'll believe in UFOs when I can pay $5 to tour one" camp. However, there seems to be a drastic shift by the American military on this topic this month. Instead of ignoring and/or downplaying UAP/UFO sightings the military has recently declassified several very interesting videos. Furthermore, the U.S. Navy has admitted it actively investigates these sightings and has formalized guidelines for service members to report these incidents.
Have any of you been reading some of this stuff and what are your thoughts?
From 2015:
From 2004:
Links
https://www.yahoo.com/news/navy-ufos-reporting-guidelines-updated-202515828.html
https://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/
The pilots told the paper they saw “strange objects” with “no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes” reaching at least 30,000 feet and flying at hypersonic speeds almost daily while training off the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.
“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who said he reported the sightings to the Pentagon and Congress.
“Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
The unidentified flying objects were seen performing maneuvers that were “beyond the physical limits of a human crew,” like stopping rapidly, turning instantly or immediately accelerating at hypersonic speeds, the pilots said.
Credit: NYPost.com, Tamar Lapin, 5/27/2019
There are no aliens, fight me IRL.
and you aren't a real doctor, fight me IRL...
It’s Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD, bitch. I am a real doctor, and I do NOT diddle kids.
Don’t mess with this man. He’s got his magnum condoms. He’s got his wad of hundreds.
He’s reeeaadddy to plow.
Aliens on Earth? I highly doubt it.
No aliens as in no life on other planets? I highly doubt it.
The next closest star is so far away that they would have to fly at absurd speeds for thousands of years in order to get here. That star would have to be the one that has a habitable planet that also has life with this level of technology.
I teach a Space Unit to my 5th grade students. The question of aliens always come up. I usually give an answer somewhere along these lines:
Our solar system in in the Milky Way galaxy. On the conservative side there are an estimate of 100 Billion stars. Our solar system has 8 planets. Again, if we are conservative and say that only 10% of stars have planets there are still 10 billion planets. Scientist estimate that there are 100 Billion galaxies. If we keep that average that means there are possibly 1000000000000000000000 planets in the universe.
What is the possibility that Earth is the only planet that has life?
That does not mean that I believe in little green men and that aliens have been here. I do not believe that aliens built the pyramids and abduct people. I do believe there is a good possiblity that we are not the only planet that has life.
Yeah it's a big number but it also doesn't really mean anything on its own. That's the problem.
I say we upload a computer virus, bring down their shields and launch a worldwide aerial assault.
Maybe Jeff Goldblum should be in charge of WiFi at Michigan Stadium.
Must go faster!
This dropped somewhat quietly on Monday and I read it via twitter. Yesterday, one of the people on Twitter posted "did the NYT just basically confirm the US government knows of the existence of UFOs yesterday and we all just went back to eating cheeseburgers and arguing about the Lakers?"
The New York Times is NOT the history channel. This is pretty damn significant IMO. And while undoubtedly this thread will be full of the "I'm not saying it's aliens but it's aliens" memes and other jokes the reality is this is a pretty big damn deal.
It's kinda also what you might do if you wanted to prepare people for the confirmation of extra-terrestrial life and potential visitors from other planets. I'm 59 and I do believe I'll see that in my lifetime.
I've always felt this way. It is only a matter of time before we make contact with another living species. They've probably been watching us and saying "nope, i don't want any part of that planet"
They're probably thinking, "If we don't get in there, they aren't lasting much longer..."
"Let them all kill each other that way we don't have to waste our people & resources."
It all makes sense now. What if the aliens are the one who rigged the last Presidential election to get Trump elected and made it look like the Russians did it, just to screw with us. Probably up in the UFO's playing beer pong and laughing their extraterrestrial asses off at us for that one. Well played ET, well played...
Well, Putin has said all along that he didn’t do it.
I wonder how long it took Trump to go to Area 51.
Or they are thinking, “How does Izzo get away with all this shit?”
Space is so incredibly big, I have a hard time believing a civilization was able to develop technology that can travel faster than the speed of light to reach us. It’s either that or teleportation which requires a speed that makes the speed of light look like the tiniest decimal you’ve ever seen because it’s literally instantaneous. Or their species can live for hundreds of thousands of years and travel at the speed of light while either having enough fuel for a trip like that or developing another piece of technology that doesn’t require any conventional fueling methods. I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m not doubting that there may be other life out there, I doubt that they have developed the tech to reach this far away from their home system.
I use that in my own argument. Space is enormous. I just can't believe that there isn't another civilization out there with better technology. I'm sure there are different organisms and elements on all these planets. I don't though man i'm just a construction estimator so what do i know lol.
Unless said civilization can harness a wormhole or portal to destinations across the universe. If you were to draw a dot on 2 corners of a sheet of paper the shortest distance is not from point to point but to curl the paper so that the points are at the same place. That’s the analogy I’ve heard best describes a wormhole. We as humans like to believe that we are very intelligent and advanced. But a civilization that can harness a wormhole could plausibly also have the capability to cloak their ship, make us forget what we saw or slow time so that they could accomplish what they need to and it would only be milliseconds of our time.
we all just went back to eating cheeseburgers and arguing about the Lakers?"........... Pretty much sums up our society. Nobody really gives a significant shit about anything anymore.
The race is on to see who can take the first epic selfie with ET
DONE!
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I watched this movie on MST3K within the last 6 months.
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I watched this movie on MST3K within the last 6 months.
What always gets me is the official story at Roswell. Like they never saw a "downed" weather balloon before and actually mistook it for alien spacecraft?
Right. That was damage control.
Possibly damage control, but it has always seemed more likely to me that it was the USAF using UFOs as a cover-up for their spy plane programs. Except in this case, the low-level guy who tried it didn't understand that he was doing it wrong, and he created more publicity instead of less, prompting the higher-ups to retract his original statement.
The CIA accuses the USAF of making "misleading and deceptive statements to the public" re: UFOs (although it does not say what the statements actually were) in this document:
Like in so much of this, though, we just don't know enough to be sure.
Granted. Excecp that Mac Brazel, and Major Jesse Marcel testified on record that the whole obviously stupid narrative that a "downed" weather balloon could be mistaken for a complex and intergalactic traveling machine.
"Oh, sorry! Our downed weather balloon (that we've seen hundreds of times, somehow looked to us like an interstellar traveling machine.)
Really? Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.
agreed that it's significant that they're no longer simply dismissing them as something else now. Doesn't equate to saying "it's aliens! Ahhh!" of course but it's definitely significant. they could be anything, but not just explaining them away is a big step in getting to the bottom of some of these encounters.
I am with you MGrowOld. Hundreds of witnesses including generals, FAA administrators, astronauts, marines, missile silo operators, pilots, heads of states, etc., have already testified about the reality of extra-terrestrial beings and crafts visiting earth for decades and decades. Anyone interested has seen enough already to affirm it's a reality. We execute inmates on death row in the U.S. with less evidence that what is readily available to the interested. There is a deep black section of the military industrial complex that controls information and disinformation. The technology from zero energy craft would eliminate any need for fossil fuels and would reduce or eliminate the carbon problem on earth. The technology would also even world markets and commerce considerably, leading to more equity and equality worldwide. I could go on, but none of this is surprising. Check out the Disclosure Project's testimony before the National Press Corps years ago, see the witnesses for yourself.
Dude, preach on. Put some links up if you could
"There is a deep black section of the military industrial complex that controls information and disinformation. The technology from zero energy craft ..."
Absolutely! Because thousands of people can be trusted to never say anything, such a craft could be developed, paid for, and flight tested without anyone knowing anything! Despite that this technology would surpass anything anyone has ever seen, ever, and would end world conflict as we know it, nobody would think of spilling their guts. Not one single physicist involved in such a discovery would want any credit for it...
Conclusion: We are the aliens!!!
I think they're thinking: "Nah...they're not quite ripe enough yet."
Funny you should mention the History channel, MGrowOld, because it just so happens that there is a new History channel show/series debuting this Friday about these sightings: Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation. I don't think it's a coincidence that these articles are popping up now.
I'm not sure if that non-coincidence reduces the credibility of the sightings or not. It might simply mean that the History channel is onto something for once.
To further call into question the NYT's reporting, one of the reporters is Leslie Kean. She has a book on UFOs that is somewhat reasonable, supposedly (I haven't read it). But she also has a book called something like "Evidence for the Afterlife" which is not at all reasonable, supposedly (again, I haven't read it). The forward to her UFO book was written by former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta.
I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that there is some insider promotion going on here, possibly even an orchestrated media campaign. To what end, I don't know. And does that mean that the sightings aren't real? Not necessarily. But the insidery connections do raise interest at the least, if not suspicion.
Yeah, I remember NYT had report about this a year ago that was similarly "the military acknowledges they see stuff and are taking it seriously."
I've always believed there is intelligent life out there; I've questioned whether or not we've interacted with it mostly because of how damn big the universe is. But it's pretty clear at this point that there is some level of contact being made, and so it makes sense for there to be an appropriate response.
Not arguing with you. However it is the NY Post that has a link. Not the NY Times. There is a difference there...
Yup. The Post is to the Times as McDonald’s is to Ruth’s Chris. They both are newspapers, but one is of much higher caliber.
Not sure what you mean, but in case you missed it https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html
I believe the objects are from a top secret drone/propulsion program. I believe aircraft from top secret programs have accounted for many UFO/UAP sightings throughout the years.
I agree with much of what you said...however they are interviewing these Navy pilots many of whom have advanced engineering degrees and are privy to military technology. The physics of these UAPs, even if drones, are mind blowing according to some of the pilots they've interviewed. Homegrown advanced drones with unknown physics defying flight capabilities would be a more plausible explanation that aliens who can travel vast distances that we have no idea how.
They may be privy to Navy technology but not all of it. There are military secrets and then there are full on State Secrets. I promise you there are State Secrets that only a small handful of people know about. Technology like that (if it is ours) would certainly be on that list.
If Roswell was indeed a downed alien craft, then the US Government has had decades of time to reverse engineer a whole slew of highly classified technologies that would require years worth of practical testing and could account for a lot of sightings.
Hey man, I had a TS-SCI for 10 years. Saw, read, know stuff. I probably didn't see .0001% of what is out there to be known. It is held secret on floppy disks, locked in vaults, under neath mountains. Fact of the matter is that the pilots didn't know what they were seeing, and that is done with a reason.
Yeah I tend to agree with this. Project bluebeam is another theory