The shockers pull off the shocker.
This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
Man ohio's chances are looking good
I might be overstating this, but I honestly think there's a better chance for the B1G to get 3 or 4 teams in the Final Four than to get zero.
Ohio State and Indiana should cruise there, frankly. Michigan is like a 1 in 3 shot, higher if someone (GOOOOOOOOOPHERS!) can take down Florida for us.
Sparty has a tough road, but I like how they match up with Duke. Louisville I like considerably less, because I think Keith Appling secretly sucks.
Miami (YTM) is in Indiana's region. Cruise is hardly a word I'd use.
it seems the secret is out, LMAO
Ironically, I would like our chances better against Louisville than against Kansas. Louisville might be the better team, but they are guard-oriented and like to press. And we look rather good against the press.
Absolutely. I want to play press teams the rest of the way. Withey's ability to alter shots concerns me considerably more than Louisville's press would.
Oh, the irony.
But I honestly do NOT want to play Minnesota. They know us far to well and should not be looked at as an 11 seed, but as a talented team that has underachieved and knows our tendencies.
Beilein vs. Tubby is good for like 15 points.
Yeah, we're like 8-1 against Minnesota the last few years. They may be familiar with us, but we know their tendencies even better.
In all seriousness my bracket's final four is OSU, Mich, Indiana and MSU with OSU beating Indiana for the title.
I'm liking my chances so far.
But IU with the title. It'll be a fun next few rounds
I wouldn't "like" the chances. Indiana has Miami/Marquette and Syracuse to deal with. We have Kansas and odds are Florida, Ohio State's road is by far the easiest, and Michigan State has Duke and Louisville.
I would go ahead and assume 2/4 won't make it.
Cuse can't score. They survive because their length bothers teams in that 2-3 zone. I don't think Indiana will have this problem, and Oladipo will take away Carter-Williams and probably force even more turnovers than he usually commits.
Miami's tougher, but ultimately not as good as Indiana. Marquette's not very good but has gotten VERY lucky to advance.
Albeit, this year's Syracuse is not as strong offensively as some of Syracuse's past teams, they still have guys who, when they are playing well, can put some major points on the scoreboard. And, more importantly, as you mentioned, defensively, Syracuse is a headache to deal with. Indiana has not really faced a zone team quite like Syracuse and I think Indiana will struggle offensively. I am not saying Syracuse will beat Indiana but I would not dismiss Syracuse like you have. If Syracuse gets passed Indiana, they are goin go the Final Fou
An all big ten final four with non-big ten refs would be awesome.
Ohio's chances looked better before Gonzaga fell. If I were a Buckeye, I would want to meet the Zags in the Elite 8. Pretty favorable matchup. Hell maybe they get the Shockers who have proven they're better Gonzaga and have less to lose.
I, for one, am STUNNED! Just this morning Charles Barkley assured me that the WCC and the PAC 10 were the "real" powers in basketball and the B1G was vastly overrated.
How can this be? How can a team that plays a conference schedule as daunting as Gonzaga get knocked out this early?
Is this really a shocker? Most people knew Gonzaga was a joke before the tournament. Southern should have converted any remaining doubters
I truly believed Gonzaga would be the first 1-seed to lose to a 16-seed before the tournament started. Mostly that was because I felt they didn't deserve a 1-seed. Period.
Seems they were better when nobody ever gave them any respect.
First thought I had when I saw the brackets was who is Gene Smith blowing to get such favorable treatment for the Buckeyes? That bracket was a joke from the start. Gonzaga's the softest #1 seed in recent memory and now Ohio can sleepwalk to the Final 4... Joke.
Sparty on the other hand, as to go through Duke and Louisville...
What happened on that Stockton play? Did the ball get inbounded to him and he didn't realize it, so he just walked out of bounds with it thinking the ball hadn't been imbounded yet? Critical mistake that might have ended up costing the Zags the game, given that it led to that 3-pointer for the Shockers. They never recovered.
That is what happened. The fault lies with the guy who passed it to Stockton as he was heading out of bounds. If you are passing it to him it has to be earlier.
I have no clue what the "violation" was and I am still trying to figure it out, but I do not believe it is as simple as this.
After the play, Gonzaga tried to make a subsitution afterwards, but the refs disallowed it because no time went off the clock as it was a dead ball violation. If it was as simple as the ball was inbounds to Stockton and he went out of bounds, at least .1 of a second should have been taken off the clock (he clearly had both feet inbounds when he caught the ball) and Gonzaga would have been able to substitute.
Does anyone know the exact ruling? I would love to know.
Gonzaga (basketball) < Boise state (football)
Quit wasting America's time.
If football had something similar to the tournament, Boise would be exposed as well. But that's another thread.
I was confused but I don't know basketball inbounding rules that well.
Just so everybody knows, EricTheActor is replying to DarthWolverine who was being a whiny bitch.
This is awkward.
What was posted here? I only see EricTheActor's replies.
When comments get pulled, it would be great if a placeholder was added noting such. As it stands now, they just disappear and this leads to confusion.
is gonna choke on their cake and stumble tomorrow. or so my bracket says
Ohio State's cakewalk to the Final Four just got even easier.
By 10 over Indiana to advance to the Final Four. Pretty gutsy I know, but I just have this feeling that Miami might be better than their two seed suggests.
Indiana St., WF, and GT say they are not.
They were the better team. IMHO, OSU will have a harder time with Wichita State than they would have against Gonzaga, who is soft. WSU could have won that game by 15 points if the officiating hadn't tightened up so much.
Yeah, but how many times is Wichita going to go 14/28 from 3?
OSU won't have an easy time with Arizona, who seems a lot better than a 6 seed. On the other hand, getting out of the Big Ten has done teams a world of good.
Arizona matchups up very well with OSU. I don't think OSU gets to the final four.
I am really looking forward to the Cuse Indiana game.
Yeah, 'Cuse is big and athletic down low and IU can shoot the 3. It's like they're both facing the thing that can beat them most easily. Going to be an interesting one. Assuming IU beats Temple of course.
that proves what most teams have come to realize, which is that it is absolutely worth a few extra losses to either play in a tough conference or load up the pre-confreence schedule with some meaty games.
One other observation -- if virtually every betting person realized that the Zags were way overseeded, what's up with the selection committee? Also, Oregon State.
You mean Oregon? They were overly slavish to the RPI, except, oddly, in seeding the MWC.
It proves if your opponent nails 14 3's you are in trouble. A lot of those were end of the shot clock heaves as well.
As far as OSU goes, Lyons is going to be huge problem for them. Playing physical against him will not bother him in the least.
I believe oregon was up to #9 at one point this season, then I think somebody got injured for a long stretch and they lost quite a few games without him. Whoever that was is back though, def not a 12 seed
and in their case it was an absolutely critical injury. Think Michigan without Burke. The Ducks look very dangerous now, though.
Playing a difficult schedule certainly prepares you for tough teams in the tourney and given that Gonzaga is in the WCC they need to do that. But Gonzaga consistently plays one of the tougher non-conference schedules and this year they played West Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma, Davidson, Washington State, Illinois, Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Butler. They are clearly trying hard to schedule major conference and quality mid-major opposition. So this doesn't really apply to them.
Anyway, it's one game and stuff happens. This game was decided by Wichita State going 14 for 28 from 3. If the Shockers shoot their season avg of 34% from 3 then they make 9 of 28 and score 15 fewer points on those 28 shots and lose this game.
No idea why people consider this a huge upset. Gonzaga was given a number 1 seed after playing a weak conference schedule. I had them losing in the second round but to Pitt instead. They should have never gotten a one seed in the first place.
I see that our game will be on Friday against the UNC/KU Winner
Sparty will be playing friday also, I wonder if they'll schedule the games in the same slot? Stupid if they do so, CBS that is.
Damn. Was really hoping for Thursday/Saturday again. Family gathering on Easter Sunday so I'll be in a car for six hours...
I'm just so glad Gonzaga got exposed for what they were: a decent, top 25ish team who built up a gaudy record playing no one.
...and was all but called an idiot by Greg Anthony and the rest of the guys on the panel .
Well, to be fair, they were both right. Gottlieb was correct that Gonzaga was overrated and Anthony was correct that Gottlieb is an idiot.
beat them. After the first round, this doesn't surprise me either though
Sorry, too drunk to say anything more intelligible.
Well, I mean we're not in Kansas anymore, right..?!
I had Wichita State beating Gonzaga in my bracket. Unfortunately, I also had Wisconsin and Georgetown in the Elite 8.
From the box score:
|FG%||3FG%||FT%||Eff. FG%||Off. Reb. %|
|Def. Reb. %||Assists||Steals||Turnovers||Pesonal Fouls|
This game was actually fun to watch overall, I thought, and particularly the last 12 minutes or so, as Wichita State was down 49-41 around that point before turning on the jets, if you will. After that, starting around the six minute mark or so, the Shockers started a brief but spectacular downpour of threes and suddenly found themselves up five with a minute left. They did it despite being dominated on the boards by Gonzaga for the most part too.
This may not shock anyone either, but at least at TeamRankings, Wichita State was 28 spots higher in the SOS rankings than Gonzaga, although Gonzaga had the higher overall RPI on the season (0.640 to 0.611, so not by much).
A general note - after yesterday's results, all #5, #14 and #16 seeds are now out of the Tournament. All seeds have seen at least one similarly seeded team fall now.
I watched Gonzaga 3 times this year and I didn't think they were anywhere near the elite teams in the B1G. Maybe as good as Illinois or Iowa, but probably not as good as Minnesota.
I had them loosing this round, but to Pitt.
Tighting this round.
I love how whenever there are tons of upsets in the tourney everyone talks about what a crazy year it is, but no one suggests that maybe the committee just did a downright terrible job.
I was rooting for the Shockers to expose the Zags, and I liked that. Then I realized Ohio's path was easier, and I didn't like that. Then I remembered I wanted B1G teams to advance as far as possible in the tournament. I'm very conflicted here.
And 5, remember wisky? I don't know, AZ is better than we think. They will give Ohio everything they can handle and be a great game if Ohio gets past ISU.
probably the worst #1 seed ever especially considering they were the #1 overall seed. Illinois beat them by double digits at Gonzaga. IMHO I don't think they wouldn't have finished in the top half of the BIG.
They were the fourth one seed not the number one overall seed.
but maybe because there were no other clear 1 seed to replace them. If the Zags were a 2 seed, who would have been 1? Let the argument begin - there are several teams more deserving.
I agree that Gonzaga probably shouldn't have received a one seed due to their schedule, but I don't feel that the two games they played proved that.
For starters, a one seed has now fallen in the second round 3 of the last 4 years (Kansas in 2010, Pitt in 2011 and now Gonzaga in 2013). This is relatively new, as you have to go back to Kentucky-UAB for a prior example.
Numerous other teams have had close calls in that situation. In just that same 2010-now span, Duke only beat us by 2 in 2011 and MSU only beat Saint Louis by 4 in 2012.
Looking at this year's tournament, while Gonzaga struggled with Southern in round one, Kansas was equally as bad against Western Kentucky. Did the Jayhawks not deserve to be on the top line?
There is the nature of the game itself. At 6:28, Kevin Pangos made a three to put Gonzaga up 58-51. Over the course of the next five minutes Wichita State hit six straight long jumpers, five of which were three-pointers, to go up 70-65 with 1:32 remaining. A team that shoots 33% from three shot 100% over the course of 5 minutes.
Gonzaga lost a fluky game. If Wichita State clangs that first three off the rim (like VCU did so many times yesterday on so many open looks), would they have won? If they shot 50% during that stretch would they have won? Both of those scenarios are far more likely than what actually happened. But unfortuanately for Gonzaga, things didn't fall their way.
I think Gonzaga should have been a two-seed, but losing to Wichita State didn't prove they were undeserving of their status.
Because, in part, they were confident they could beat a team that was not as good as their press clippings. No one was in their face contesting - they were "feelin' it".
Zag's got "the wips" and started missing, turning the ball over, etc.
Confidence is part of it, but making 6 straight long jumpers, some of which were contested, is very unusual.
And it doesn't refute the fact that "better" programs have lost or been challenged in that same spot (Duke and MSU both lost in the next round).
The Gonzaga hate is incredibly sad.
I know they aren't facing a one seed but I'm rooting for FGCU tonight, would love to see them make a run
Change "Gonzaga" to "East Washington Jesuit" or "St. Ignatius West" and far fewer people would care about the school. For some reason they've become American's darling in basketball. I honestly think people just enjoy the name.
Gonzaga has been one of the most chronically overrated teams in the NCAA for the past ten years. They were 4-2 against teams on the level of Illinois or Minnesota going into the tournament, and beat up on tomato cans in their conference. They should never have sniffed the top ten, what alone #1.
Instead of seeing this, the media will rank them too high next year, and make excuses for their "upset loss." In reality, though, this game was no "shocker." The only team that played more under their so-called level of competence in the round of 64 was Wiscy. If Gonzaga had been playing Ole Miss instead of Southern University, they would have lost in that round.
Good riddance to bad media hype.