Elias Rudolph set announcement date (July 3rd) and cancels his visit to OSU...

Submitted by M_Born M_Believer on June 20th, 2023 at 10:28 AM

I believe it was noted in another thread that we only needed out first DE to commit to start the onslaught for that position.

Just connecting some dots here, but here is an article noting that Elias Rodolph tweeted last night that he has set his announcement date for July 3rd and also cancelled his OSU visit....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/michigan-prospect-cancels-visit-to-ohio-state-announces-decision-date/ar-AA1cLi0g?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b6db0ee3aefb4c71965e984b610483e8&ei=7

Darker Blue

June 20th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^

What I wouldn't give to see OSU rgo through a stretch like Michigan did under RichRod and Hoke.

What would it take to make that happen. Is there a coach that the buckeyes could hire that would make the fan base turn on him? 

After we beat their ass this fall, Day will leave for the NFL and hopefully we'll get to set back and watch a dumpster fire burn

JonnyHintz

June 20th, 2023 at 3:26 PM ^

Cooper had OSU as a perennial top 5 team throughout his tenure.
 

“Perennial top 5” is a pretty big exaggeration. Cooper was the OSU coach for 13 seasons. He finished the year in the AP top 5 twice and AP top 10 a total of three times. He also finished unranked 5 times. In his 13 seasons, they finished with 4 or more losses in 7 of them. 
 

‘93 and then ‘95-‘98 were really good seasons for them, but aside from that he was pretty pedestrian.

JonnyHintz

June 20th, 2023 at 4:14 PM ^

I mean, regular season games are part of the ranking process. You’re either top 5 or you’re not. Three top 10 finishes in 13 seasons is not perennial top 5.
 

Again, they lost 4+ games in over half of his seasons. That’s not perennial top 5. That’s not even top 5 going into The Game level. 

michengin87

June 21st, 2023 at 3:57 AM ^

The talent that Cooper assembled with the exception of the QB was generally considered top 5.  However, his lack of any top flight QBs during his entire tenure is what really handicapped his ability to win the big games, which were then exposed against the top competition at the end of each year.

JonnyHintz

June 21st, 2023 at 5:37 AM ^

Assembling what people consider top 5 talent is very different from actually being a perennial top 5 team (or within reach of being one). 
 

Again, Cooper had a couple really good seasons. But the narrative that he was an elite coach that just couldn’t win the big game is a bit over exaggerated. As evident by finishing with 4+ losses in over half of his seasons at OSU. 

wolve1972

June 20th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^

Yep, they'll have mega talent - ON PAPER. Their problem is coaching and especially their shit  defense.

I read on CBS Sports awhile back that they've only had 2 losing seasons since the mid 1960s (late 1980s and 2011) which is the best in CF. In other words, expecting a RichRod - Hoke slide is probably wishing a bit too much.

gruden

June 20th, 2023 at 12:16 PM ^

Unless... OSU and Day part ways, and they hire their version of RichRod.  Could happen.  Behind OSU's streak of winning seasons is good coaching, which is where they've really succeeded.  A misfired coaching hire like M had could change things.

wolve1972

June 20th, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^

Exactly right. They'll be really solid every year going forward and it all comes down to the UM-OSU game - plain and simple. 

We all know that this could very well be UM's most talented team in a long time in 2023 but - living in the Columbus area - I get the impression that this could also be Ryan Day's most talented team also. It's all going to come down to OSU's defense and if - A BIG IF - they can make a few stops in AA in November.

Would not be surprised to see UM, Georgia, OSU and possibly Alabama in the Playoffs this year......probably the best - and most loaded teams in CF

 

What's Good Fo…

June 20th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^

Not only that, the last time they had back-to-back losing seasons was in 1922, 1923, and 1924. The only other time they had two losing seasons in a row was 1897-98.

[We had back-to-back losing seasons only in 2008-09, 1962-63, 1958-59, and 1881 to 1883 (when we went 0-3, 0-0, and 2-3), which is pretty good but obviously not as good.]

But as the commercials say, past performance is no guarantee of future results. They are long overdue for a long, rough patch.

bronxblue

June 20th, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^

Yeah, talent isn't everything (Texas and Texas A&M, for example, have been top-end recruiting teams for some time and have little high-level success to show for it), but what happened to UM under RR and Hoke would be pretty hard to pull off at OSU.  The more realistic scenario would be OSU takes a small step back into the 10-ish win range where they look pretty good against mediocre teams but aren't heads-and-shoulders better than teams like UM, PSU, USC, etc. in the conference like they were for a long time under Meyer.  And then they wind up firing Day, reaching for another guy to "fix" the team, that doesn't really raise the ceiling, and they settle into a top-15 team instead of a top-5 one and Columbus loses its mind for a while.

Couzen Rick's

June 21st, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^

The more realistic scenario would be OSU takes a small step back into the 10-ish win range where they look pretty good against mediocre teams but aren't heads-and-shoulders better than teams like UM, PSU, USC, etc. in the conference

Is this not just the late Carr era at Michigan?

WestQuad

June 20th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^

I'd actually like to watch OSU crumble under Day with another loss to us this year and a Purdue/Iowa type surprise loss, followed by a Cooper-esque existence.   We get 15+ more years of Harbaugh CFP seasons and he retires as an extremely eccentric old man.   No Woody Hayes type events, but everyone is worried about something happening.  Everyone is afraid to say anything because they don't want to jinx the string of National Championships.   (Don't ruin this for me.)

Meanwhile Day is forced to walk around in bucknut chains a la ghost of Christmas past.

OldSchoolWolverine

June 20th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^

Their back is against the wall right now, more than any time since Moeller went 4-0 vs them... and the game in November, nobody can take it even a hair lighter here. 

And if we assume we beat them, and assuming Day heads to NFL, both are big assumptions...it'd be fascinating to see who they'd hire that they think could beat us, and the style.

OldSchoolWolverine

June 20th, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^

Hasn't happened yet in my lifetime, but absent of hiring Vrabel, it finally might.  One could argue Cooper was a bad hire, but I wouldn't, because we were just better at the time.  They even canned Bruce who I didn't think was a bad hire.  But, this time, it might be different, because, if we beat them, and Day leaves/fired, he won't have a bad record at all, and who knows, maybe nobody worthy wants to follow the guy who got fired at eg 12-2.  And even if Vrabel did take job, his approach is so different from Day that the changeover risk is high.

JBLPSYCHED

June 20th, 2023 at 12:31 PM ^

Day has won a higher percentage of his games at OSU (.878) than any of their other previous coaches besides Urban Meyer (.901).

Still a modest sample size (51 games) but probably enough to know what they've got. IMHO what they've got is an excellent head coach who, if he loses in Ann Arbor this coming fall, will have a Michigan problem. We're in his head and if we beat them again we're buying rather than renting that real estate.

If he leaves after that, which I'm actually dubious of despite increasing fan/alum/booster pressure, my bet is that they throw $10M+ per year at Meyer to come back and 'right the ship' (vs. Michigan). And he'll probably accept the job...and then we'll have another battle on our hands.

Hail-Storm

June 20th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^

It is surprising how hard it is to be successful.  I thought at one time that Texas, USC, Florida, and others I can't think of, would be power houses for a while, based on talent base to work with, and recruit from, and success.  All have struggled to keep their success.  When people were getting on Harbaugh for his failure to win the BIG and against OSU, I knew of so many fan bases that thought the same thing and ended with horrible replacements and went from 10-2 to 5-7. 

JBLPSYCHED

June 20th, 2023 at 1:50 PM ^

Indeed it is that difficult, even with a relative definition of success depending on the school and it's historical ceiling. Really good coaches sometimes fail when all of the seemingly relevant factors are aligned.

Personally I think the elusive idea of 'fit' is crucial; when we hired RichRod it was pretty clear to me that he was a poor fit in a number of ways. In hindsight it seems pretty obvious but at the time it was not obvious to many observers. It's actually pretty rare that a particular head coach is excellent at every stop--Urban Meyer is an example of that (not counting the NFL of course).

FB Dive

June 20th, 2023 at 3:28 PM ^

The semi-plausible way I could see this happening in the near future is if Day leaves (perhaps rage/panic fired after another Michigan loss, but more likely bolting for the NFL to escape the pressure) and they hire Hartline. They're obsessed with Hartline, and he's a good position coach, but he'd be way out of his depth as head coach.