Duncan Robinson is Back!

Submitted by DetroitDan on May 21st, 2023 at 11:21 PM

He made five 3-pointers and now has 124 in his Heat postseason career, passing LeBron James (123) for the most in Miami history.  And it looks like he'll get another chance to be part of an NBA championship series.

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 7:23 AM ^

Does anybody really still view Lakers v Celtics as a “rivalry” anymore?  I feel like the NBA operates as completely divorced from “history” at this point.  Players have rotated through both franchises at such a frequent pace at this point I don’t even thing the fans of the teams view them through a lens of history or even familiarity anymore.  I can only speak for my self but when I watch those teams play it certainly does not stir up the echos of great teams past.

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^

Precisely.  There isn't one.

I guess because it had a chapter in the last 10 years the Lakers-Celtics is the closest thing there is but it is not a game-changer in terms of how much I would pay attention to the series.  There is really no "casual NBA fan" that the series is going to attract.  Lakers-Celtics has been out of the lexicon for so long that it is of no consequence to the amount of attention the series would get.

matty blue

May 22nd, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^

i take your meaning, but i think that's colored in some part because the lakers and celtics have looked so lousy in this round.  if it were 3-0 lakers, 3-0 celtics i think you'd see some serious casual-fan attention getting revved up right now.

for my part, insert overused "can't wait" gif here (wink)...i love the idea of spoelstra trying to solve jokic in a long series.  i don't know that he can (or if it's possible, to be honest), but i'm excited to see the chess match.

ommeethatsees

May 22nd, 2023 at 7:57 AM ^

I wouldn't exactly say that Miami is a small market in the NBA.  Miami is very popular with NBA fans because of its NBA history, GM/Coach, its team concept, etc.  Now Denver is another matter but they do have a popular star that won Most Valuable Player in 2021 and 2022...

Leaders And Best

May 22nd, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^

Yes, I think both conference finals ending in sweeps would be the bigger issue for the NBA with the Finals having a fixed start date on June 1st.

I think the media market thing is overblown. It would be a bonus for the NBA to have LA or NY in the Finals, but the more important thing is having a long, competitive series with marketable stars. I would guess NBA executives may be more worried about an 8-seeded Miami team that may end up being the worst team to make an NBA Finals in 25 years than the market size.

Bluesince89

May 22nd, 2023 at 6:51 AM ^

Some people just hate LeBron for no real reason. I mean honestly, the worst thing you can say about him is he made a bad marketing/PR decision over a decade ago in doing The Decision and that people who hate him probably disagree with his politics (I happen to largely agree). He's one of the greatest players of all time, never gotten in legal trouble, gives back, represented the USA on the world stage well.

As another poster points out, the Lakers fell on really hard times following their last championship in 2009/10. Swept by the Mavs in the second round, lost 4-1 to Thunder in the second round, swept by the Spurs in the first round, didn't make the playoffs, didn't make the playoffs again, didn't make the playoffs again, didn't make the playoffs again, didn't make the playoffs again, didn't make the playoffs again, Beat the Heat for a title, lost in the first round to the Suns, didn't make the playoffs, and now, this year, in the WCF.  

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 7:28 AM ^

Lebron may be the best player to ever play but let’s not act like he doesn’t say dumb shit all the time.  “If I’m Britney Griner, do I even want Russia to send me back to America?”  Come on, dude.  
 

Yes, he is more or less a good person, but he can be really obnoxious.  And it’s not really “politics,” he just has pretty bad takes all the time. I like Lebron for the most part but I understand people who don’t.

WorldwideTJRob

May 22nd, 2023 at 7:53 AM ^

Bro if the worst thing you can say about a guy who has been in the spotlight over 20+ years is he had a bad take on the Britney Griner situation…I’d say he’s done pretty remarkable and seems to lean more on the good person side(this coming from a non-Lebron fan myself). He may not lean your way politically, but saying he had a bad take and classifying it as “he says dumb shit all the time” is very obtuse! A kid who grew up dirt poor in Akron and then chose to make sure a ton of kids in his area have better opportunities in their future through his foundation is a pretty admirable thing to do. The guy may whine or flop on the court more than I like but he’s very far from being a “bad” guy.

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 8:09 AM ^

My comment regarding things he says was not political.  And I said in my post that I like Lebron James.  I am a fan.  But from The Decision through a bunch of public statements until present day, he has said some stupid things.  I understand how some people could be turned off by him.

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 8:33 AM ^

If by “nationalist” you mean “likes America,” guilty as charged I guess.

She was in a Russian prison for 10 years for having trace amounts of THC.  He indicated she should think twice about coming back to the US when our President was actively trying to bring her back.  

That isn’t political.  That is just really stupid.  I think “nationalists” and “anti-nationalists(?)” could agree.

King Tot

May 22nd, 2023 at 9:47 AM ^

It is 100% political. He was obviously being hyperbolic but it was commentary about racism and the state politics in America. 

For the record, I said nationalists because I also "like America" but I acknowledge we are far from perfect and I do not let criticism (or kneeling during the anthem, refusing to say the pledge, flag burning, et cetera) negatively impact my life or the way I view the people making said criticisms. Maybe it too was hyperbolic but I believe it is fitting.

goblu330

May 22nd, 2023 at 9:57 AM ^

Yes, we disagree that it is fitting.  To imply that it is a close call between returning to the United States and remaining in prison in Russia is an objectively idiotic thing to say.  Not "hyperbolic" but "extreme."

Look I have clarified the statement pretty well and I don't want to go to Room 101, so let's drop it.  

Lebron is an all time great player and generally a pretty good guy.  We agree.

King Tot

May 22nd, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^

If read carefully, I was saying my use of the term nationalist could be hyperbolic but fitting, not that Lebron's example is fitting.

But yes, we do disagree, I do not find Lebron's words "objectively idiotic" or "extreme", simply hyperbolic. Many Americans celebrated Griner's arrest because she, like Lebron, used their platform to speak out about racism. People interpret that as "hating America" and want black athletes to just "shut up and dribble". It is not a huge stretch to see how he would make that hyperbolic comment given the context.

But sure, I will now drop it.

DennisFranklinDaMan

May 22nd, 2023 at 8:32 AM ^

Yeah, but he's had microphones shoved in his face every ... single ... day (way more, in this day of 24-hour media coverage, than Michael Jordan ever did) since he was what, like, 14 years old? It's surprising to me he hasn't tripped up way more than he he has. I think he's handled a kind of life-long media pressure that the rest of us can't even imagine amazingly, for so long.

Personally, even though I (always) cheer against the Lakers, I find myself appreciating how he's playing these days. Almost no preening, trash-talking, over-the-top celebrating of meaningless buckets. It's rare, in these days of "look at me." The guy looks genuinely focused on trying to help his team win.

(Still. Go Nuggets).

 

ska4punkkid

May 22nd, 2023 at 9:00 AM ^

Yea not to mention always “crowning” himself. Like literally placing an imaginary crown on his own head after a big play. Telling reporters after his Heat lost that at least he doesn’t have to go back to their sorry lives and he’s still rich even though he lost. But most of all HE’S A DIE HARD BUCKEYE FAN and always gifting the team swag and trashing M!!!

MGolem

May 22nd, 2023 at 9:37 AM ^

Duncan Robinson is proving that two-way wings, while undeniably the type of player that every team wants littering their roster, are not the only valuable basketball commodity. His shooting and the resultant space it allows non-shooters like Adebayo, and Butler (to a lesser extent), is invaluable. And he isn't the defensive sieve he is made out to be.

LeBron has done a lot right in terms of his play but his insistence that the Lakers add Westbrook most certainly set them back for a couple of seasons. His GM skills are awful. Once Pelinka retook control he cobbled together another (almost) championship level squad basically out of thin air. 

matty blue

May 22nd, 2023 at 10:09 AM ^

i love duncan robinson - the fact that he's even IN the league, let alone playing meaningful minutes (again!) for a soon-to-be-nba finals team is, honestly, pretty amazing...a testament to sticking it out and busting your ass.

but he's a lousy defensive player, at least at the nba level.  spoelstra is running so much zone, in some part because he has lineups where he has to play kevin love and robinson at the same time.  the fancystats bear it out - he's a 117 DRtg at basketball-reference.com, which is 362nd in the league, 328th in defensive win shares.  he's not on the floor if you need a stop, because he WILL get hunted.

 

Needs

May 22nd, 2023 at 1:01 PM ^

Duncan's success is a combination of incredible hard work (he's made himself into an entirely different player), his deep basketball intelligence in knowing where to be and where to cut, and absolutely brilliant coaching by Spoelstra, who has been able to figure out a way to use him on offense that forces opposing defenses to totally warp themselves and to avoid having his  defensive liabilities completely counteract the advantages he brings on offense. (I've heard some interesting commentary that Hero getting hurt actually deeply benefited the Heat because he's almost as big a defensive liability but the Heat have never found a defensive strategy to accommodate his limitations).

kehnonymous

May 22nd, 2023 at 11:58 AM ^

One thing to keep in mind is that we really have no idea what actually goes on behind the scenes of player transactions.  It's an easy and possibly semi-accurate conclusion to say that LeBron's teams do what he asks, but the reality is probably a LOT more complicated and the one constant is that we should take leaks about parties' motivations with a shit-ton of salt.

All of that is to say that what I think happened (and my guess is worth the paper it's typed on) is that LeBron wanted a secondary playmaker to take some of that off his plate, which is understandable.  And Westbrook was the closest approximate thing that the team could swing a deal for.  Pelinka also let Alex Caruso (who LeBron loved playing with) walk in free agency in favor of THT who they later traded when he didn't develop, so he's not blameless in our disaster season either, though he did redeem himself by later transmuting Westbrook and other scrap metal into an almost-championship squad.