Did Crean tell Sheehey to flop?
A state friend of mine posted this on his facebook, and it's pretty interesting/incriminating. You decide...
February 26th, 2013 at 10:44 PM ^
Fail embed on the original post here's the video,
February 26th, 2013 at 10:46 PM ^
What did he post?
EDIT: Nevermind
February 26th, 2013 at 11:36 PM ^
wasn't fair for you to get negged for asking a legitimate question when nothing was there.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:02 AM ^
February 27th, 2013 at 10:29 AM ^
February 26th, 2013 at 10:58 PM ^
The obvious flop from Sheehey, or the play-by-play guys defending and encouraging it?
February 26th, 2013 at 11:04 PM ^
Dakich can go to hell. I swear he is the worst announcer I've heard in the past 5 years at least. He even tried to bring up that "many people" aka state fans and him believe zeller tried to pull nix's arm into his crotch.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:14 PM ^
He is a terrible announcer, but he's actually right about the Zeller/Nix play.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^
"many people" and him... and me
February 26th, 2013 at 11:50 PM ^
I think that broadcasters should be limited to calling games with teams that they played for. It's aggravating listening to Jalen call a Michigan game, or Clark Kellogg doing an OSU game.
It would help avoid extreme bias like this from a nationally televised game, because you know he doesn't say this if it's anyone besides Indiana. No way he encourages a Gopher to flop if the roles are reversed.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:27 AM ^
Tommy Heinson doing NBA games back in the 80's & 90's for CBS was the worst. Because they were so good, the Celtics were often on the CBS slate. He was the worst homer I've ever heard.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:10 AM ^
Why do we have to listen to the announcer's opinions? What ever happened to just calling the game?????
February 27th, 2013 at 8:54 AM ^
I don't know if you saw his heated exchange with former MBB player Anthony Wright on twitter.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:34 AM ^
When you frame something with "the way things are going in college basketball" that usually doesn't mean you're actually encouraging it-- it's more a criticism of how something is being called or handled, but being realistic about how teams will take advantage.
But again, I'm not sure what point he was trying to make... whether it's touch fouls to the head, or instant replay or what.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:29 AM ^
February 27th, 2013 at 9:25 AM ^
The best thing about this whole fake is how I constantly replayed the 1:55 mark or the hot blonde at the scorers table. Can someone just get a loop of her closer up?
February 27th, 2013 at 9:34 AM ^
Isn't that Samantha Ponder (nee Steele)? She's all over the intarwebz I think.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:21 AM ^
I couldn't remember her name but I knew she was with ESPN
February 26th, 2013 at 10:52 PM ^
Interesting. I certainly wouldn't put it past Crean, and the two videos do warrant some suspicion, especially because Crean yells at the officials right away for a video review.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:31 AM ^
At what point does the B1G director of officals say "listen, Indiana has a reputation for flopping and/or trying to draw these types of fouls. Let's not give them the benefit of the doubt."?
Sheehey should have been called for an unsportsmanlike penalty.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:49 PM ^
He was laying on his elbow, it looked like. And his reaction was really late.
Looks like a flop.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:49 PM ^
that's bushleague
February 26th, 2013 at 10:51 PM ^
You must really love following recruits on twitter. To say this is incriminating is a pretty big stretch. Even if he did say that, which I doubt, I really don't have a huge problem with it. Selling a foul is just gamesmanship.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:56 PM ^
Selling a foul is gamesmanship? No, it's not. It's a cheap trick played by desperate teams with no class or pride in what they're doing. And the evidence may not be conclusive, but it's not at all a stretch to say it's incriminating. What else do you think Crean was signaling with that elbow motion?
February 26th, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^
Could be telling them to man up on rebounds. Could be telling them to get in tight on the guy so they get a foul if he elbows them in the head and the guy took it too far. Could be telling them to flop. There's no way of knowing. When I saw the thread title though I was expecting to see an obvious mouthing of the word flop or some other variant of the same. I dislike the guy as much as anyone but this is inconclusive at best. And it's up to the refs to figure out if it's a foul or not. What is it when a center falls on his ass to get a charge because a point guard ran into him? What is it when a guy throws up his hands and yells when he loses the ball under the basket? Note carefully I'm saying selling a foul, not faking a foul. There's a difference.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:10 PM ^
It is obvious that Crean coached this and it is an embarassment to the coaching profession. He is in effect forcing his players to cheat and lie to get an advantage...That is so SEC. I hope the B1G looks into this and the mainstream media is all over him for this.
How would you feel if this happened against us in a key game and the refs blew the call?? It is NOT just part of the game.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:53 PM ^
what's that thing they say about the prosperity of cheaters? Go Gophers.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:19 PM ^
Karma be a BITCH!
February 26th, 2013 at 10:53 PM ^
February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 AM ^
I went to school with Hitler and he was a nice guy with a fro and liked to paint. Or maybe that was Bob Ross.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:54 PM ^
February 26th, 2013 at 11:22 PM ^
is one of the handful of things the NBA does right, but I can't think of the other four . . .
February 26th, 2013 at 11:00 PM ^
February 26th, 2013 at 10:55 PM ^
What? An Indiana basketball coach is a jack ass? Who would ever believe such a thng?
February 26th, 2013 at 11:02 PM ^
And a disciple of Tom Izzo none the less! Shocker!
February 26th, 2013 at 10:59 PM ^
...than "flopping on a drive" to get the charge call. It is up to the Refs to get it right.
Tonight they did.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:09 PM ^
February 26th, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^
1. If (when) refs get it wrong, it always impacts the score/game.
2. Any foul, including a +1 may involve a momentum or point shift.
3. Coaching a kid to flop on a drive, taking out a drive for a dunk against a poor FT shooter and any number of tactics may result in concussion or injury.
4. Conjecture: "But Crean coached Sheehey to contort himself under that players elbow and try to get hit in the head, or make it look that way.
"5. An "acting" foul to prevent such actions, including +2 and the ball for the affronted team might mitigate some of the Hollywood nonsense.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:18 AM ^
In this case, I think the offending coach should be subject to two free shots to the junk ala Nix/Zeller, it might send a much more clear and to the point response to clear up this issue.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:03 PM ^
February 27th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^
Ya, I think they're a great band. What about you?
February 26th, 2013 at 11:03 PM ^
When something like an elbow happens at such a convenient time for a time that is down late in the game, it really has to be egregious for them to call it.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:04 PM ^
double, sorry.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:10 PM ^
1:55 -- Samantha Ponder is drop dead gorgeous.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:39 PM ^
DAMN YOU CHRISTIAN PONDER!
February 26th, 2013 at 11:15 PM ^
Granted, it was a flop, but I've seen more dramatic flops with much less contact involved. Also, I hardly find an 8 second clip with no sound from Crean necessarily incriminating. As lame as it may be if Crean did tell him to flop, with every possible elbow to face being reviewed on the monitor, the way I see it is if the guy legitimately and flagrantly gets elbowed above the shoulders, who cares about his overreaction (or in some cases, lack thereof; a flagrant is a flagrant. If it was a non-reviewable play, I'd care a lot more.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:22 PM ^
I don't think the integrity of the game should depend on our ability to go to a video monitor.
February 26th, 2013 at 11:53 PM ^
Alas, that's the way things are, regardless of what anyone else feels the game should be. I personally prefer knowing that replay is there when needed, and on a sidenote, I can't wait for baseball to more fully join the replay party.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:02 AM ^
As long as Bud Selig is the commish the replay machine will remain buried under cobwebs. It's infuriates me that my favorite sport is so far behind the times, it's a joke to not have safe/out calls as part of the replay system.