ontarioblue

September 29th, 2014 at 8:34 PM ^

Why the heck would anyone not think about running from this train wreck? Who can blame them. Please dont harass these kids for not coming. If you were in their shoes you would be second guessing as well.

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Talcelm

September 29th, 2014 at 8:37 PM ^

It will soon be like salmon spawning season all the fish swimming away....oh well let's hope some JRs stay and don't leave early....sigh it's going to a LOOOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGG rest of seaon!!

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Witz57

September 29th, 2014 at 8:39 PM ^

These kids and their not wanting to stick to their commitments to places that later turned into total tire fires...you'd think they'd just honor the fact that they said a they'd do a thing one time and completely ignore the gasoline payloads being dumped out of lowflying helicopters filled with nuclear bombs.

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alum96

September 29th, 2014 at 8:50 PM ^

He just watched a 2nd year coach in a nothingburger program have a big lead on FSU and take them deep into the fourth... and then heard of a 30-7 trouncing with a coach under national fire.  No surprise. 

 I know on the surface NC State is a nobody coming off a 3-9 record but I just wrote a diary on their coach and if he turns NC State into something decent in the next 1.5 years he will probably be one the hottest young coaching names in 2015.  (He coached DC at Wisconsin by the way)  Also NC State is local. 

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/coaching-candidate-dave-doeren-too-soon-eval…

Anyhow its really impossible for Hoke to recruit now so we are in limbo until Dec 1 unfortunately.  I am not even sure the conversations he can have anymore because unless they are committed to the program and not Hoke he can't say with a straight face he is coming back.

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HokeHogan

September 29th, 2014 at 8:55 PM ^

not sure these are the kids we want anyway. Five stars or no stars  to this point the kids this staff recruits are soft. Its an epidemic with our program right now. I am looking forward to seeing  the culture of toughness the next staff brings with it. Dont get me wrong I hate seeing highly rated recruits bolt but at this point is this our largest worry? 

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Trolling

September 29th, 2014 at 9:16 PM ^

While I agree this is not our biggest worry (look at the countless other schools who do more with less) I do not think we can assert that the talent brought in must be soft. I believe culture and coaching are what instill toughness in a team. At the same time, I don't know if toughness is what we lack (Saturday is certainly an indictment against this though) but coaching instead, pure and simple.

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alum96

September 29th, 2014 at 8:59 PM ^

Larger picture we have a major issue at DE

Poggi has been MIA this year, Charlton and a meh Mario O are the returning guys along with Marshall.  That is 4 guys, none of which has had almost any impact this year - Marshall has not received any buzz like Mone did this year or charlon last year in fall camp.  This is where a Malik M and./or Hand would have filled in.  Roseboro was our only DE.  Outside of Clark there is really no impactful DE at this moment.  And he gone next year.  We can have great corners all we want but no pass rush = doom. 

I guess we could go the MSU route and find a 3 star athletic freak who is average at football but who is 6'4 220 lbs and can pack on 35 lbs (worked for Frank Clark actually) but to make him into a good player it would require (wait for it) coaching.  And that's still 2 years away from on field impact even if all that happened

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Coldwater

September 29th, 2014 at 8:56 PM ^

Doesn't surprise me at all. Hoke has proven he can't win at this level, and he isn't putting defensive linemen in the NFL....

Michigan is a negative place to be now. Hoke isn't bringing us out of this mess he created. The way they played Saturday was beyond pathetic. I'm just so shocked they are THIS bad...

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uminks

September 29th, 2014 at 9:01 PM ^

Committed to a team that only won 2 to 4 games? Even if Hoke stayed? Top star kids usually go to teams that win! Under Hoke Michigan has failed to win games! I don't get the coach change meme?

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MGlobules

September 29th, 2014 at 9:08 PM ^

closer to SOMEONE upstairs getting the message and pulling the plug. But I gotta say that the ship has been sinking for weeks withouth a peep from anyone. At this stage it goes beyond making Brandon look like shit to making you wonder about the new president and regents. 

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chatster

September 29th, 2014 at 9:58 PM ^

This recruiting dilemma seems so much worse than what was happening at around the same time of the season in 2010 when it appeared that Michigan football, thanks in large part to Denard Robinson, appeared to moving in the right direction on offense.  There also might have been some hope that, following the season, there would be a change in defensive coordinator from the stuffed-beaver-waving, worst coach in the country to a reasonably capable defensive coordinator.
 
Then, Michigan was 4-0, including Denard’s record-setting performance at Notre Dame. Now, Michigan is 2-3 after having established three negative benchmarks – first time ever with three losses before October, the first shutout in 30 years and the end of the NCAA record-setting, consecutive-games scoring streak of 365 games.
 
Lately, national news media and all the sports talk shows have been filled with negative news about Michigan football.  On College Football Gameday, Lee Corso says that Michigan would be “lucky to win four games this season.”  The Big Ten Network’s website latest power rankings list Michigan as the 13th best team in the conference, just above Purdue at the bottom. There are posts on MGoBlog claiming that there’s dissension in the Team 135 locker room.  Fans and some in the media are clamoring for both Brady Hoke and Dave Brandon to be fired. That’s what committed recruits and potential commitments are seeing and hearing.
 
The team has no captains, and maybe no real leaders among the coaches and players – certainly no one who could come out after the Minnesota loss and say something like Tim Tebow said to the media after Florida lost a game in what it had hoped would be an undefeated season:  Something like this:
 
We were embarrassing and played horribly today and at Notre Dame and last week against Utah; and we owe apologies to our fans, our alumni and all those who played here before us. I promise that you that a lot of good will come out of this.  I guarantee that between now and the end of this season this team is NOT going to play like that ever again, and there will not be a team in the country that will be more motivated, work harder or play harder than this Michigan football team. Go Blue!
 
If this nightmare continues, the preferred dress for the Penn State game might be something like this
 

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Uper73

September 29th, 2014 at 9:14 PM ^

Will be champions.

This program needs more 3 stars that will play their ass off and overachieve and fewer overrated prima donnas that look ordinary once they are out of their HS league.




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Perkis-Size Me

September 29th, 2014 at 9:15 PM ^

We're likely a 2-4 win team in a shitty conference with a shitty coach who can't develop talent. He's a top D-Line recruit. Why would he want to come here with the turmoil that's been going on?

Hope we can get him back with the new regime, but if not, best of luck kid.


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BlueGoM

September 29th, 2014 at 10:10 PM ^

Well this is the price you pay for coaching changes.  You can be assured that when and if there is a coaching change there will be current players who request transfers, as well as recruits decommitting.

People never think about this when wanting coaches fired, then get all upset when it happens.

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7words

September 29th, 2014 at 10:12 PM ^

Because this coaching staff has just worked wonders with the talented recruits they have already brought in.  So which is better:  Losing recruits because of a coaching change while getting a competent coach in place?    OR    Maybe keeping some recruits after at best a 4 or 5 win season, and letting the current coach under develop said talented recruits.   

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Badkitty

September 30th, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^

Coach X:  "You should let Johnny play football at our school, not Michigan, Mrs. Y"

Mrs Y: "Michigan is a great school, Coach X. My baby boy would like it there so much!"

Coach X:  Smiles sadly but inwardly secretly smiling.  Shows Shane Concussion Video to Mrs. Y.

If there is no regime change, this argument will probably be made over and over again by opposing recruiters. 

 

 

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Jevablue

September 29th, 2014 at 11:28 PM ^

People don't quit companies, they quit their boss. And 90% of the time it is true. Sorry, but I think Brandon and Hoke are going to create decommits on a lot of levels before they are done. 

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