Curious Forcier comparison from GBMW
From GBMW's mailbag:
http://gobluemichiganwolverine.blogspot.com/
Eroc responded to a question about how comparable Forcier is to Zac Robinson:
"As for quarterbacks, Tate Forcier reminds us of BYU's T. Detmer and Wisconsin's B. Bollinger."
Two issues here:
1) Detmer and Bollinger don't seem comparable to me - not only stylistically but also in terms of quality. For example, I'd have to think that Detmer still holds NCAA passing records...
2) Looking ahead - if what Eroc is outlining are actually the upper and lower bounds for Tate's career as a Michigan QB, how many of us would sign up for that right now?
August 11th, 2009 at 9:15 AM ^
Yeah, those don't make sense to me either. Notable comparison I saw was Jeff Garcia. I'd be cool with that, and it makes some sense.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:19 AM ^
Tate with QBing competence this year, I'll be happy and the team will win. From what i've read from yesterday's practice, Tate is doing well and probably will start the opener.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:22 AM ^
He better start sept 5th. I'm not traveling 1200 miles to watch Sheridan.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:38 AM ^
I'm expecting Forcier and 5-7 Denard snaps.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:52 AM ^
I'd rather have the best QB start. If Sheridan is playing much better than Tate, I'd rather have him in the game. If he's making plays and Tate isn't, I'm not going to hold a grudge. Let's put the best players on the field and let them do their thing.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:13 AM ^
If Sheridan is playing much better than Tate (or Gardner) when the season kicks off, we're in a lot of trouble.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:17 AM ^
Gardner is still in high school my dude.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:27 AM ^
I meant Denard. I've got Gardner on the brain from all the news about him recently.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:20 AM ^
Gardner?
August 11th, 2009 at 10:43 AM ^
Well yeah, but I'd take a terrible Sheridan over an extra-terrible Forcier any day. I'm with you, I'd rather not see Sheridan on gameday every again, but if he's the best option, I don't want him on the bench just people are still licking their wounds from last year.
August 11th, 2009 at 2:46 PM ^
I wouldn't mind seeing Sheridan thirteen times this year: as a "human victory cigar" in the fourth quarter. If he plays much when it counts, the more pessimistic among us will be right with their predictions.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:22 PM ^
I'll second that, but 2000 miles for me.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:42 PM ^
to watch the Michigan Wolverines. Nick Sheridan is one of them. Show some fucking loyalty and respect to the kids who have been giving their all to this program.
August 11th, 2009 at 2:05 PM ^
that's weak man
August 11th, 2009 at 9:20 AM ^
I'll sign up for 12 weeks of Brooks Bollinger right now. Especially if that means DEATH isn't under center against any non-Delaware State teams.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:22 AM ^
To make comparison coachBT pick two QUARTERBACK who are not only WHITE but also have two ARM. not one to wish life away but vary GRATE analysis.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:19 AM ^
He watch must pad ladle.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:24 AM ^
I place no value on GBMW's analysis. They might have inside info, but their analysis is next to useless.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:16 AM ^
Their analysis is "next to" useless in the same way that I am "next to" myself.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:25 PM ^
Well, reading what they write does result in "being beside myself" with laughter, so there's that.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:29 AM ^
I think Tate reminds me of Wes Welker.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:17 AM ^
He reminds me of Beyonce. Come to think of it, everyone reminds me of Beyonce.
August 11th, 2009 at 2:12 PM ^
I was thinking more David Eckstein.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:42 AM ^
As what was said above I'll take Bollinger over what we had last year at quarterback.
August 11th, 2009 at 9:42 AM ^
Tate reminds me of Jared Lorenzen.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:01 AM ^
Tate reminds me of THE FRIG (Perry).
August 11th, 2009 at 10:05 AM ^
it seems to me that Coach Rod was waaaayyyyy more critical and frustrated with Threet than with Sheridan last year. Seems like he appreciates Sheridan's effort and realizes he's trying hard, but had an internal struggle with Threet.
He's also mentioned the QBs are mentally ahead of last year, which I'd expect of Sheridan, but wouldn't expect of Tate given that he has had the same amount of time Threet did in the system last year.
What made Rich Rod so frustrated with Threet vis a vis Sheridan? Was it potential matched with performance?
August 11th, 2009 at 10:14 AM ^
Potential, which IMO you can see Threet has as a passer, matched with the awfulness of some of his passes last year.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:27 AM ^
RR loves the quick pass/bubble screen to WR's you saw so often last year. If you watched the interviews and his show, he had orgasms about how Sheridan was able to throw that pass in stride, whereas Threet did not. The other factor was choosing the reads on the run option. Clearly Sheridan was ahead of Threet on those things. Talent and execution in the downfield passing game, save for one game, was obviously Threet, and easier for us to see from the bleachers.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:11 AM ^
I like the Tate comparison to Colt McCoy or Drew Tate a lot better than either of Detmer or Bollinger.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:24 AM ^
Bollinger was better than Tate.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:54 AM ^
How the hell do you know this? We have not even seen Tate play in a game, unless you think his spring game performance was bad!
August 11th, 2009 at 11:56 AM ^
It was against our second string defense, which included walk-ons.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:09 PM ^
I think chitownblue is saying that Bollinger was better than DREW TATE, not Tate Forcier.
August 11th, 2009 at 7:37 PM ^
I made a terrible mistake, and I am an ass-hat for it. I wear asses for hats.
I apologize to the person with the Castro avatar... wait a minute... wtf??? Castro??? CASTRO??? REAAALLY??? No apology.
August 12th, 2009 at 12:26 AM ^
What are, you a capitalist? Don't you know this is the People's Republic of Ann Arbor?
August 11th, 2009 at 12:17 PM ^
...former Iowa QB.
EDIT: Looks like I was beaten to the punch.
August 11th, 2009 at 2:50 PM ^
good reading brah
August 11th, 2009 at 10:12 AM ^
I see a lot of Eminem in him.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:52 AM ^
That had to have been a typo. Clearly you mean 50 cent..
August 11th, 2009 at 12:00 PM ^
If by 50 Cent you mean Biggie Smalls with wristbands and other cool accessories, then I see what you are saying.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:14 AM ^
Just kidding. Sadly.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:15 AM ^
GBMW and "curious" are two things that often go together...
August 11th, 2009 at 10:18 AM ^
My comparison for Tate is Todd Reesing, the kid from Kansas.
And, GBMW blows. Unless it does not blow. Although it might not blow at all, but instead just suck. 50/50. No Sugarcoat.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:50 AM ^
I agree with you 100%. I compare him to Todd Reesing, with the exception that Tate has a stronger arm. Not too many people find this a sexy comparison. Trust me, if Tate turns out to be as good or better than Todd Reesing, we are in for a very exciting season.
Here's the deal: In this offense, the QB needs to act as a point-guard. I like to compare him to Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns (when they were good). Steve Nash is not as physically gifted as the other players around him, but he strategically delivers the ball at just the right moment. Also, Nash has a knack for knowing when to drive to the rim (rush the ball) and shoot the 3 (out-route). Tate does not need to be the fastest runner, the strongest athlete, or the tallest QB. He just needs to be the most cerebral player on the field.
Here's something else: Tate is not the prototypical freshman. He has been groomed since day one to become a D1 QB. As a result, his mechanics are flawless and he has killer instincts. Also, I cannot emphasize enough how important it was that he enrolled early. Couple this with the unfortunate event of Sheridan breaking his leg, Tate has experienced more first-team snaps with the offense than most Junior level QBs. He will be ready to go.
To hell with the skeptics. Call me crazy for predicting an amazing season. I am all in for this team, and I cannot wait for what is about to happen. We are on a mission to kick ass, and take names. This is a ravenous, fearless squad with a quiet confidence about them. I have never seen a Michigan team with this flavor of passion. Damn it feels good to be a Michigan wolverine!
August 11th, 2009 at 10:52 AM ^
No QB's mechanics are "flawless", especially a true freshman's, no matter how early he enrolled.
August 11th, 2009 at 10:22 AM ^
not be too callous, but looking at the writing style of those mailbags compared to their e-blog as a whole, I suspect they just write them themselves
August 11th, 2009 at 10:25 AM ^
Tate will remind us all of his brother, Jason, when DENARD banishes him to the bench for good starting TODAY. AMIRITE?
August 11th, 2009 at 2:13 PM ^
But Tate is just as FAST as Denard! I know this because I'm in LAW SCHOOL at MICHIGAN.
As long as we're doing old jokes...
August 11th, 2009 at 10:28 AM ^
Forcier's passing looks considerably better than Bollinger's from what I have seen. A good comparison for Forcier is Shaun King.