ThadMattasagoblin

August 1st, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^

Well, they did have some troubles on the field in the past when they missed on recruiting targets. Drevno OL recruiting bit them in 2017. When they couldn't get DTs, they struggled in the 2019 and 2020 season at that position. Then, they struggled stopping the pass in 2020 when they missed on some cornerbacks. Ideally, they wouldn't have a hole at that position. Hopefully, they are taking the steps to fix their recruiting there and WR. 

Watching From Afar

August 1st, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

The "they" you referred to are not around anymore.

Drevno OL recruiting bit them in 2017

Not here anymore. Seems like Moore is much better than Drevno at this juncture.

 When they couldn't get DTs,

Brown isn't here anymore. Neither is Nua (who did bring in some decent guys, just too many years apart). Elston is widely considered a very good recruiter and talent developer.

 they struggled stopping the pass in 2020 when they missed on some cornerbacks.

 Zordich is gone. And more importantly so is Shoop. I'm still a little worried about this group though.

Hopefully, they are taking the steps to fix their recruiting there and WR. 

Recruiting hasn't been great, development has been ok, but more importantly the offensive scheme is the biggest blocker here. Would it surprise someone if a 5-star QB went to a program that ran the triple option? Yes. So it doesn't surprise me that top flight WRs aren't banging down the door.

njvictor

August 1st, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^

In terms of CBs, I'm not sure how much I subscribe to this thought process. We have a 5* on one side who took over the starting job as a freshman and on the other side we don't seem to have anyone the staff is confident in so we brought in a grad transfer. CB is maybe the only position outside QB right now that has little to no depth

ThadMattasagoblin

August 1st, 2023 at 1:17 PM ^

They do seem to develop cbs quite well with Turner and Sainristil. I feel like recruiting better would give them more bullets in the chamber. Sometimes a guy just lacks the speed and height to be the type of guy that could win you a national championship. Hopefully, they have someone at the 2nd corner spot and I have trust in Clinkscale but they obviously haven't recruited the position as well as they could have recently.

Double-D

August 1st, 2023 at 1:44 PM ^

I would suggest Gemon Green developed pretty nicely.  I think they got the most out of him.

Add in the development of our safety play with Moore and Paige and specifically their coverage skills and I’m not worried about our DBs.

I am curious to see if 4* Jyaire Hill starts seeing the field this. He seems like he has a dog mentality.

I read we just offered an MSU CB commit. 3* Syair Torrence.

Syair and Jyaire?  Don’t dare in this air. 

Modernmanshustl

August 1st, 2023 at 5:48 PM ^

Exactly. We recruited a 5* cb from jn state. He was our best cb as a true freshman and now to fill the spot opposite of him we switched a wide receiver to cb, swung twice and hit once in the transfer portal. 
 

in the future: we have another 5* in 2025 Chris Ewald Jr. Who we need to retain, Jyaire hill a low 4* type guy who according to his yellow post has some serious work and development to do and the a lot of unproven guys. 
 

at our level and with our goals of beating osu and being in Natty contention, I’d say at minimum we need 1 top 100ish corner a year and a second not far behind. 

MotownGoBlue

August 1st, 2023 at 6:15 PM ^

Or the offense is 100% healthy and play to their potential. 

I'm pretty sure your comment was tongue-in-cheek but I'm not sure if Charles Woodson and Ty Law would have changed the outcomes......well, maybe so if they were the ones with the pick 6s, and scoring on special teams.

Willstud99

August 1st, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^

If you turn your volume all the way up on this post you can faintly hear Ari Wasserman screaming that this proves we'll never win a nation championship

Blake Forum

August 1st, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^

If Clink and the Michigan coaching staff believe these kids are underrated by the recruiting services and have the potential to be developed into great corners, then I believe them

spiff

August 1st, 2023 at 1:05 PM ^

For the sake of being pedantic, a low rated player who is a 'take' doesn't necessarily mean the staff think he's underrated. It may just be the best player they think they can get.

Not these guys specifically, maybe they are DJ Turner but maybe they are Keith Washington in the 2015 class.

Although that 2015 CB class was followed up by David Long and Lavert Hill in 2016, so......

Blake Forum

August 1st, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^

Your overall point is correct. But I would bet the staff thinks that, for instance, Jeremiah Lowe is better than the 1,085th-best player in the 2024 class. While Michigan missed on a couple top 100 guys at CB, I think they can still get guys they very much believe are better than the typical croot at Purdue or a similar school

pescadero

August 1st, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^

"and both players are in that low 3* ("sleeper" if you will) category"

 

Umm...  Lowe is an 87 and Edmond an 88 on the 247 Composite.

That is a HIGH 3 star. 
3 star runs from 80-89.

 

...and you know how many low 3* DB's (below 85) have been signed by Harbaugh at Michigan? Zero.

 

Mid/high 3* DB's signed by Harbaugh:

Josh Metellus
Brad Hawkins
J'Marick Woods
Gemon Green
Myles Sims
Vincent Gray
Sammy Faustin
German Green (the only DB as low as 85)
DJ Turner
Quinten Johnson
Mike Sainristil
Eammon Dennis
Jaden McBurrows
Damani Dent
 

njvictor

August 1st, 2023 at 1:42 PM ^

I guess we have different definitions of what a "low 3 star" is. Neither of these guys are in the top 700 in the composite. That's approaching the range of guys who don't have P5 offers. With that being said, both of these guys seem underrated based on their offers

MGoRedemption

August 1st, 2023 at 1:09 PM ^

I'm not too concerned about the corners. Assuming we get one or two Dudes next cycle and fill in the gaps with a transfer along with coaching up these three stars, we'll be fine. 

buckeyekiller1

August 1st, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^

Sign up for the Herbert mutant making machine in Ann Arbor. With our player development and culture, as long as we’ve got a stud QB I’m not too concerned with star rankings at any other position. However, if we’re ever going to beat UGA/Bama in the playoff then we’ve got to have a great QB (like Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson were for Clemson). 

Qmatic

August 1st, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

For the next two years we have one side of the field locked down with Will Johnson. As of now, there are two guys who have been in the program but haven't seen the field much at all at CB, but both possess pretty decent ceilings. If we can get Gemon Green level production from them by the end of the year (or from Josh Wallace) we will be just fine.

Next year we will still have Will and hopefully one of Walker or McBurrows showed by the end of this year that they can be the guy. We also will have Jyaire Hill who I think is going to be hard to not have on the field as a starter in 2024.

mgeoffriau

August 1st, 2023 at 1:15 PM ^

Is what it is, we just need some bodies at this point. This doesn't feel quite like it fits into the narrative of the staff uncovering unheralded 3 stars and developing them into elite players, given that these are the targets after we've already struck out on our 4 and 5 star targets, but can't do anything but wait and see how it plays out.

caboose138

August 1st, 2023 at 1:25 PM ^

as a dc who will face edmond this year when they put him all over the field, I will likely not sleep that week. He also benefits from having a 4 star WR going to Georgia on the field as well.

ma5678tt

August 1st, 2023 at 2:36 PM ^

I've watched Northwood play a couple times in the last 6-7 years (both in regionals of the state tournament).  If the coaching staff is still the same, they seem to scheme well to the strength of that year's team.  They've been a solid team for many years now it seems.  Good luck when you play them!

IvyLeague

August 1st, 2023 at 1:36 PM ^

Both of these guys seem highly underrated. Lowe played w/ Clinkscale's son in Kentucky and was clocked in the 4.4s last spring. FWIW, the local Kentucky folks are really high on him and UK offered him early in the cycle. Edmond seems underrated b/c he plays for a small HS in Indiana that has ~200 kids a class. Edmond was MVP of the National Combine in San Antonio earlier this year which had multiple higher rated recruits. Interestingly, he was MVP at the combine as a WR even though he was a stud at DB as well. Probably bodes well in terms of INT potential, especially since he's a plus athlete. Notre Dame was expected to offer soon and he recently picked up an offer from Ole Miss and Baylor after those two schools saw him in-person. While Ole Miss and Baylor don't scream DB U, I think the fact they were willing to offer a kid from Indiana from a tiny school after seeing him in-person probably speaks to Edmond's athletic ability at a minimum.