in town for free camps
Countdown to Kickoff Day 24
Is it August 30th yet????????????????
...it is August 6th! (Rhetorical Question Answer Man at your service!)
I'm actually dreading game week because I don't want to see replays of Jason Gingell's blocked field goal. thank god i wasn't in the stadium that day, I was moving into the dorms.
At least it will only last one week. And after we beat Appy State 1,304,234 to -3, it will dull some of the pain from watching those highlights.
Don't you understand? It doesn't matter.. Michigan could very well beat Appy State 1,304,234 to -3 and the only thing you will hear is how Michigan is now 1-1 vs them or show the highlights from the 2007 game. If Michigan struggles and the game is close... well, hold me TomVH.
It's a no-win situation and they should have never scheduled them.
We've lost lots of games we shouldn't have in the past. Get over it. It's the past. Let's beat the shit out of them.
Except that losing to App State might be the single most embarassing loss a 'Big 6' school has ever taken.
It's a different level of loss - one we will never, ever be able to live down. I wish we could just continue pretending like it never happened.
Losing to that App. State team was a "better" loss than any of the other losses Big 6 schools have suffered to FCS teams. That team was legitimately talented.
I disagree that it was the most embarrassing. We just paved the way for embarrassing losses to D1AA schools, unfortunately. A year or two after, Virginia Tech lost to James Madison, which wasn't nearly on the same level as App State.
Either way, it IS embarrassing, and we should be ashamed, but most embarrassing is questionable. It is just the one that everyone remembers most.
Isn't "the one everyone remembers most" by definition, the "most embarassing?" Va Tech played an excellent game against Boise St. prior to that stinker.
We came out #5 in the country with national championship aspirations, big storylines about how Henne, Long, Hart were back for one last shot, etc. ASU was a tune-up game. Supposed to be one.
I guess we are arguing the difference between "most embarrassing" and "worst."
But, in the end it doesn't matter. It was damn embarrassing, and we will never live it down. I just hope we absolutely destroy App State this year, not that it will make up for anything.
Well, to be fair, when you play Boise State, you're supposed to beat Boise State.
Boise State had a lot of big wins against big schools. You're giving them little credit.
Beating BSU is like not assaulting someone. It's good, but nobody is patting you on the back for it.
I'm not sure you understand what "by definition" means. What you just said is tantamount to "All I've eaten today is salad and vegetables, I am LITERALLY starving"
Michigan had Chad Henne, Adrian Arrington, Mario Manningham, Mike Hart, Jake Long, and Shawn Crable all who were drafted into the NFL that year. A senior-laden team to boot. And they lost to a D1-AA team.
100% the most embarrassing.
Didn't they have about 9 guys from that team play in the NFL as well? Albeit probably short careers but still had the talent for shots. They were no slouch.
We lost two Big Ten games, to Wisconsin and OSU. It would have been interesting to see what they could have done with Hart and Henne healthy.
I agree slightly. I think losing to Toledo was the worst loss ever for Michigan. At least Appy State had some athletes on it and was able to execute. Toledo was awful period
Now to counterpoint myself, Michigan had way too much talent in 07, it was a horrible loss but the opponent wasn't nearly as bad as Toledo.
nobody will talk about App St. after week 1 is over (well, they will but in the context of biggest upsets ever and the recent game won't be mentioned again).
The game that really never should have been scheduled was App State in 2007. There was nothing advantageous for Michigan in that game, except a home game pay day. If we won big people say you are suppose to beat them big and forget about it quickly. If you win, but struggle, you look bad. If you actually lose.......
Now that App State is in our FBS Division and has been asking for a 2nd game it isn't as bad to play them again as it was the first time. I imagine we don't want to dodge their request. But yes, this is another nothing to gain game except another home game pay day. Nothing good can come from this game.
No it wont. Nothing can wash the stink of that game off the program. I was there (unfortunately) and can safely say that ignominy of that game is just something we're going to have to live with forever.
What I remember most about it was that I had to travel to LA the following week so I thought I'd at least not have to deal with it out there. But no - that was ALL everybody in Southern California wanted to talk about on the radio back then.
It was horrible. Replaying the game and forcing everyone to have to go through that all over again is probably the dumbest thing Brandon has done as an AD.
Disagree. I mean The Horror won't ever be washed away, but if UM beats the crap out of Appy State, and more holistically, if UM gets back to an elite level (especially consistantly), then as time goes on, The Horror just becomes a blip, one of those crazy events that happens in sports which compells people to watch it. But The Horror would lose a lot of the stigma it has right now as defining recent UM football. But if UM struggles again...well, let's not think about that, eh?
No offense Freddie but I think you're dead wrong. Google search "greatest upsets in SPORTS history" and there we are - standing alone representing all of college football - on the following lists:
The Top Ten
We stand alongside the 1980 USSR hockey team, the 2007 NE Patriots, the 1969 Baltimore Colts and the 1985 Georgetown Hoyas as monumental favorites that somehow lost. And we are the ONLY COLLEGE FOOTBALL TEAM MENTIONED.
Forcing us all to have our collective noses rubbed in it, again, is something that Brandon needs to explain someday.
I've heard it argued that we weren't even the biggest upset in college football that season. I like that argument.
Oh really? Tell me, what game was a bigger upset?
1-11 (or something) Stanford upset USC (in Jim Harbaugh's 1st year there) in LA. Technically the spread was bigger, one of the biggest spreads between 2 D-1 teams ever.
I dunno, I still think app st. was bigger.
It's a bigger upset to UM fans because it's personal and hurts. What if was LSU or something getting upset by App St? I think more UM fans would be all 'left brain' acknowledge that App St probably was a decent team that year, while Stanford was still a shit-show that year. If someone aruges that App St is a bigger upset soley based on their status as an FCS school, well then, I don't think they understand sports very well.
Losing to App State was embarrassing and an upset to be sure, but only the trolliest of trolls still try to sell it as "The BIggest Upset Ever!" Appalachian State was a pretty good football team and we should've taken them more seriously.
Arguably 3-9 Stanford over #1[I think] USC.
The Stanford-USC game and also Syracuse beating Louisville as a 38-pt dog. I believe we were expected to win by 25-30.
Is that a realistic perception though?
The computer rankings before the game had App State ranked above a few Big Ten teams including Northwestern. If Northwestern had beat us, would it have been Earth shattering? No. I think the loss is worse due to the perception that ALL FCS teams are worse than FBS teams, even FCS teams in the middle of back to back to back national titles.
Yes, it was a bad upset, worst college football upset ever? Probably not.
No, on a purely factual basis it isnt. But perception IS reality and trying to argue with the varioius media pundits who have declared that it was is pointless and makes us look silly IMO. The ONLY way to make the damn thing go away is to not remind everybody of it and scheduling them again just gives fodder to the talking heads to relive the horror amping up the game.
I still remember an interview with USC's AD Pat Hayden the week after the game and that's all they wanted to discuss out in freaking LA of all places. Hayden said "if you're going to schedule a DII program for God's sake don't schedule a GOOD one. Nobody gives a damn if you win and God help you if you struggle or lose."
All your points are fair and I believe accurate.
Just to illustrate the "fact" that this wasn't the biggest upset of all time. Sagarin had App State finish the prior year (2006) essentially equal to Iowa and better than MSU, Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana and Illinois. App State would have been projected to finish in the middle of the BigTen per the computers - for all 3 of their national title years. A similar rated team in any major conference beating Michigan would not have even been news other than a scoreline with the mild use of the word upset.
I guess we're just going to disagree on this. Obviously it's one of the biggest upsets in sports history to most people. But that's what happens in sports, teams get upset. Play enough games, it will happen to you. But putting our head in the sand and going "LALALACAN'THEARYOULALA" doesn't seem like a rational thing to do. Face up to it. Win more games. Let it just become a bullet point on the list in the annals of history. You didn't see the Patriots curl into a ball after their loss to the Giants. I don't think Georgetown is. Nor any team on that list. But a lot of UM people seem to go so far out of the way to avoid The Horror that it has become the defining point of the recent UM football program. I say face up to it head on, and move on with life. Do I love re-scheduling Appy State? No. Do I hate it? No. I do hate Brandon's motivation which is 'networks are fighting over the rights to broadca$t'. But that's just my opinon.
The ironic part of The Horror was that it wasn't even the biggest upset in college football that season. That honor would (should) be number 1 ranked USC losing at home as a 41 point favorite to crappy Stanford who unexpectely started a QB with three career pass attempts after their starting QB had a seizure. And App St finished with 5 AP votes at the end of the season, the only FCS team to do so, which was 5 more than Stanford received. But unfortunately for UM, the sigma associated with an FCS team plus week 1 when nothing else happened equaled more attention on the game. But such is life.
and I still remember the stunned silence in the stadium as App State carried their coach off the field. A lot of people in the student section didn't leave for some time, we all just sat down and stared blankly at the field
Behan was a degenerate with a terrible reputation for most of his life who died at 41.
Thick irony, that.
Start winning again and nobody will care about App State. The reason that The Horror still stings is because so little good has happened for Michigan since then. If Hoke gets the program humming the way we all hope he will in the coming seasons, nobody will care about the App State game anymore.
Think about it, if by 2017, Michigan has a couple of conference championships and maybe even a National Title under their belt, are you going to give a shit if the haters try to zing you with The Horror?
We just need to get back to winning.
That makes us likely the same age, Mr. Weiner.
I was a bando, and The Horror was my first game.
The firewall let me see this one today...I don't know what has changed, but I ain't arguing.
Might be because the link is to the MGoBlue main site rather than mgovideo.
I may have to go back and see if I can see previous days' videos the same way. EDIT: I can! I feel like a kid on Christmas morning!!
I was on a flight back from Europe wearing a Michigan shirt. When I was in the luggage area of O'Hare, an employee walked by and said "I'm sorry" ... I had no idea what he was talking about ... Then he broke the news.
I was there, and to make things worse, I also got the worst "raccoon face" sunburn of my life from that game. My face was like leather for weeks as a constant reminder of the HORROR.
I was at this game as well, and I managed to get some burns on my arms and face myself, but what I always thought was the cruelest joke of them all regarding The Horror is that it was, as I recall, one of the first live game telecasts (it may very well have been THE first) of the Big Ten Network, which went live on the air only two days prior (on two carriers, so not a large audience to start). Folks tuning into the BTN for the first time perhaps that weekend got to see that game as it unfolded.
and like I said before, I left there and played in an old timer vs new school softball game. Those old guys beat the hell out of us and I had to hear about App st. all day. Very rough day.
How is Brennen Beyer a senior already?!
Scary thing is, Funchess is gonna be a senior next year...
Gonna go out on a limb and say Funchess isn't around next year...
But sometimes those who go get to be millionaires