CBS Sports calls Ryan Day a “Loser”

Submitted by Imjesayin on December 13th, 2023 at 1:28 PM

Couldn’t agree more.

Technically, they were referring to the 2023 football season, including losing to Michigan three straight times for the first time in 26 years, and his odd fight with Lou Holtz over his team being called soft.

But I really think his experience as a loser extends to even more aspects of his existence.

https://wolverineswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/12/cbs-sports-calls-ohio-states-ryan-day-a-loser-in-2023-college-football-season/#lq3w5ii4o76e2ipci8

King Tot

December 13th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^

I don't think Day is a bad coach but the "45-6" line is a little overrated. 

I checked CFP rankings for the last three years (2019 he was piloting Urban's ship and 2020 didn't happen, so I didn't check) to see who his highest ranked win was.

It is a tie between 2021 MSU and 2023 PSU, finishing at #10. It is mostly Day blasting trash B1G programs.

Vasav

December 13th, 2023 at 2:12 PM ^

In his defense though - Urban got smoked by unranked Purdue and Iowa. Pre-pandemic Harbaugh lost heartbreakers to an unranked Iowa, not-top-ten MSU in '17, and unranked SCAR that same year (literally every other non-2020 loss was to a top 10 team). Ryan Day not losing to bad teams is a bit more of an achievement than people give credit for - winning at big programs isn't automatic. OSU has institutional advantages but so do Texas and USC.

The big problem for Day is Michigan just got a lot better after 2020 - we started beating top 10 teams and even smoking bad teams in a way that we hadn't done before 2020. Harbaugh and co. came in with great game plans in '16 and '17 but didn't have the gumption to pull it out. In the last 3 years the game plan and the talent were good enough to win and twice to dominate.

azee2890

December 13th, 2023 at 4:39 PM ^

The BIG 10 has been really bad outside of Michigan and OSU during his tenure. That's the majority of his wins. 

Wins against ND were against a first year and second year head coach. 

Wins against PSU were against Frames Janklin. Nuff said. 

Otherwise, losses to any team that is even remotely close in talent level. 

Alabama, Oregon, Georgia, Michigan x3. 

Vasav

December 13th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^

But this is usually the case. Bo and Woody weren't facing off against murderer's row. OU's four CFP appearances came when the B12 was...OU. The same is true for the ACC powers, whether they be Clemson or FSU (or that point in the 2000's when it was VT). Heck, even the vaunted SEC has typically been 2-4 excellent teams and a lot of average for the past 15 years - and they undoubtedly WERE some of the deepest divisions in CFB history.

More than 2-3 top 10 teams is very rare in any league. The 2015-2019 Big Ten having regularly competitive M, PSU, UW and MSU all vying for #2 behind OSU was rare - and Urban didn't lose to those teams, he got smoked by Iowa and Purdue. Yes, the Big Ten got worse outside of Michigan (and PSU treaded water). But this year's Pac12 is not normal. This year's Big Ten west is probably on par with most of the ACC and Big 12. This year's Big Ten East is still one of the strongest assortment of 7 teams - and it had MSU and IU.

GAH why am I defending Ryan Day. He's good not great but good is deceptively hard.

alum96

December 13th, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^

Sorry man Harbaugh NEVER has had OSU's talent.  Urban did so eff him for losing those laughers.  Harbaugh lost to the top end teams early (plus a nightmare vs MSU) but didnt lose the games he was supposed to.  With recruiting classes nowhere near what Urban and Day pull.

A monkey could win 9 games a year at OSU the last 15 years with the talent they pull.

Vasav

December 14th, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^

Gumption was a bad word choice. And yes, about 3 fifty/50 calls at the end of the 4Q and OT going against us, along with a really strange unsportsmanlike conduct on Harbaugh, did tip that game. But also, Speight threw a pick six and his other INT set up OSU in the RZ where they scored their only other TD in regulation - ignore the 50/50 plays and we still gave up 14 points in a 17-17 game because of our offense. I don't know what the word for that is, gumption seems unfair, talent seems too broad. I will never get over the spot (and the PI inconsistencies) but also - we lost that game as much as the 50/50 calls screwed us.

Billy Ray Valentine

December 13th, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

I partially agree/disagree with your take. Ryan Day is an above average offensive coordinator based on his pre-HC record. So far, he's an average, at best, head coach. Ohio State's talent advantage, which has existed for decades and decades before Ryan Day was even a coach, virtually guarantees Ohio State 10 wins each year. 

Of course 99% of schools would die for 10+ wins each year. That's not Ohio State. As much as I despise their program, I (used to) respect it. Their stated goals are:

(1) Beat Michigan.

(2) Win the B1G.

(3) Play in the CFP.

(4) Win the National Championship.

Ryan Day's performance is below his/their own expectations. Fact. Full Stop. Ryan Day has failed to improvise, coach with timely aggressiveness, and create a team-first culture that can handle adversity. He's become the leader of "The Excuse University." Day's biggest current claim-to-fame is duping his gullible fanbase into online circle-jerking over shiny objects rather than actually engaging in meaningful introspection or self-scouting. 

Ryan Day is good for us. Ryan Day Forever! 

oriental andrew

December 13th, 2023 at 2:58 PM ^

Ryan Day is an above average offensive coordinator based on his pre-HC record. So far, he's an average, at best, head coach.

What I've read from the ohio state blogdom is that he is an excellent OC, but that he really needs to give up playcalling duties and shift to full-time head coach. IIRC, that was also one of the knocks on Harbaugh early on, that he was both Head Coach and ultimately the offensive playcaller. 

I do wonder how good Day actually can be once he does so. 

RealElonMusk

December 13th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^

TT- that's a foolish statement- most schools aren't OSU with their resources and history of success in football.

IMHO at least 10% of current power 5 coaches would have had the same or better record than Day if they had taken over instead of him.  The last 2 recruiting classes prior to Day OSU was #2

I think it's better to look at his win record vs top teams.

Most if his win records is beating up on weak B10 teams, weak non-conf. teams, & Penn State

He's 0-6 vs top 5 SP+ teams and is 1-6 vs top 5 ranked teams

Day has lost 2 times when SP+ had OSU at an advantage (Oregon, Michigan 2021)

He's won 0 times when SP+ had OSU at a disadvantage 

JeremyB

December 13th, 2023 at 1:38 PM ^

Let's not forget about whining to the conference commissioner in order to oust the coach you can't beat, then losing to his interim replacement. Absolute loser shit. 

Vasav

December 13th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^

I do think this is the absolute biggest loser thing. He's very fortunate there's no smoking gun, because if there is "Cryin' Ryan" is going to be his reputation for a LONG time, if not forever in this rivalry. He conspired to get a coach ousted from the biggest games this season - for violations that HIS OWN program was also doing - and then still lost to a 37 year old interim.

WolverineHistorian

December 13th, 2023 at 1:46 PM ^

I’m never one to defend Lou Holtz.  There are times I forget he’s still alive.  But Day really looked like a tool after that game.  I almost felt sorry for him the way he embarrassed himself. 

NeverPunt

December 13th, 2023 at 1:47 PM ^

You aren't talking about Ryan "Born on Third Base Charmin Soft Can't Win Big Games Dyes His Beard and Fights Lou Holtz's Old ass" Day, are you?  Because that is just wrong, man. He's tough.