Brian Kelly is a douchebag
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen a coach act like such a disgrace as Kelly today. Completely belittled some of his players in front of a national audience. He makes Bo Pellini look like Mother Teresa. I cannot imagine how any 18 year old kid would wanna play for this guy. In case anyone is curious what it looks like to blow an aneurysm in real time, I present:
September 4th, 2011 at 5:06 AM ^
had some similar moments. Coaches lose their temper and Kelly had good reason. However, I think players will eventually tune him out.
September 4th, 2011 at 1:46 PM ^
I wouldn't consider RR's and Kelly's outbursts very similar at all. Kelly clearly crossed the line there.
September 4th, 2011 at 6:02 AM ^
College men are sissified these days. What was Kelly supposed to do?
"Awwwww... so you blew the game for us. How about a hug and a juice box...?"
September 4th, 2011 at 6:18 AM ^
how bout... "what the hell were you thinking? thats not how we practiced that??? if you want to play on this team...youd better get your shit together fast"
not "are you fucking kidding me...you fucking -----"
September 4th, 2011 at 7:23 AM ^
He should have tried tickling him with a stuffed beaver.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:31 AM ^
Watch Muschamp down in Florida to get a true vision on how he does things. I don't know if it was just for gameday but he yells and gets really angry but he keeps it productive instead of what are you f-ing doing. It is What are you doing! Do it again till you get it right.
Intensity to inspire your players to do better and belittlement is a very fine line and a lot of people shut down when belittled. With that being said hopefully they come in flat and we can get a nice win under the lights
September 4th, 2011 at 8:06 AM ^
Thats soccer.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:26 AM ^
He also blew up at his kicker. His kicker who went 18 for 19 last year. Sometimes kickers miss, does ripping apart his kicker for missing a FG really help the kids confidence? Wouldn't telling the kid, you only missed one all of last year, you can still do the same this year help more?
September 4th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^
I know when I lose my shit the first thing I do to make myself feel and look better is rip into my kicker and destroy his confidence. I mean come on isnt it sort of an unwritten rule that you never chew out the kicker? The kids job is tough enough kicking for ND.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:43 AM ^
If a man is not disciplined enough to control himself, how can he expect his players to be?
September 4th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^
Giving out hugs and juice boxes is probably a violation of an NCAA bylaw. You can't even give a kid spread for his bagel until next season.
September 4th, 2011 at 3:18 PM ^
Not true. NCAA bylaw Q.eleventy-three.pi clearly states that you can give players juice boxes, but only one per quarter, and they must be of rigid construction and utilize a straw no greater than 1/8" diameter. Kool-Aid Bursts and Capri Suns are right out.
Gatorade may be provided in unlimited quantities, but only in the orange, fruit punch, or lemon-lime flavors.
September 4th, 2011 at 6:42 AM ^
September 4th, 2011 at 10:50 AM ^
Regardless of what you think of him as a person, he's a damn good coach. Everywhere he has gone he has made a big-time winner.
September 4th, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^
Yea man that 51-24 ass whooping Florida gave Cincy in the 2010 Sugar Bowl was def because Kelly wasnt there to coach that game. Cincy being 12-0 prior to that had nothing to do with the Big East, it was all Brian Kelly. Just ask UConn's bad ass football team that made the BCS last season after getting spanked by Michigan in the opener.
September 4th, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^
And what about his jobs at CMU and GVSU?
September 4th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^
People forget that he took over after Dantonio was there for three years building up the program. Say what you will about the guy, but he's proven to be a pretty damn good coach (highest winning percentage at State since Munn). Kelly walks in right as those first Dantonio recruits are becoming upperclassmen and as Petrino and Rodriguez are leaving the Big East. He wins a lot of games (though without really beating anyone of note), then leaves after three years. When his own recruits are becoming upperclassmen, the program craters.
September 4th, 2011 at 3:32 PM ^
Dantonio is not a bad coach, but come one, you don't think Kelly had anything to do with his record at Cincy?
Dantonio went 7-5, 4-7, 7-5 (he didn't coach the bowl game).
Then Kelly who did very well at GVSU and CMU steps in and goes 1-0 (bowl game), 10-3. 11-3, 12-1.
If Kelly wasn't a good coach (still an unethical coach IMHO), he wouldn't have took cincy where he did based on what Dantonio had.
September 4th, 2011 at 5:45 PM ^
He went 35-3 in his first three years at Miami. Do you think that is because he is one of the greatest coaches of all time, or because Butch Davis (who went 51-20) left him a ton of awesome players? Notre Dame wasn't good in Weis' first two years because he was awesome at coaching. They didn't go 3-9 in his third year because he sucked at coaching. Lloyd Carr and Bo didn't get worse at their job in 1984 and 2005.
Dantonio made the same leap I'm describing at MSU (6 wins in year three, 11 wins in year four). He didn't suddenly get better at instructing his players and calling plays. And that is against a good year in the Big Ten, not a depleted Big East.
No coach makes a team that much better or worse than any other coach would in a given season. The first few years of any coach's tenure are way more about what is there than about their technical ability on the job. The good ones are the ones who can scout, recruit, and develop talent over a 4-5 year window. Kelly did a nice job at CMU, but he hasn't really shown he can do that at the BCS level.
September 4th, 2011 at 6:53 AM ^
I thought to myself - I'm glad he was never hired at Michigan. I worked at CMU when Kelly was there. When Lloyd retired and Kelly's name came up on blogs for consideration it seemed like I was one of the few who disapproved. Add this out of control abuse to his players as further evidence that he should not be coaching anywhere. Intensity is fine, dissatisfaction with player performance sure, wanting to correct and teach an expectation - but to belittle, cuss out, verabally assault a player who makes a mistake - he went too far.
September 4th, 2011 at 6:58 AM ^
He should have sat the player on his lap and told him everything would be okay. Sissified I tells ya!
September 4th, 2011 at 7:13 AM ^
I agree with the comparison to Rich Rod. A player would be coming off the field and Rodriguez would be screaming at the player with a defeated look on his face. The exact opposite of motivating.
September 4th, 2011 at 7:58 AM ^
problem with it. Was it a little excessive? Sure. However, being a father now and growing up in the late 80's I think kids today need A LOT more discipline. Kids are so fucking whiney and disrespectful now it's ridiculous. The world today is set up to treat kids, teens and young adults like little babies and I for one am tired of it.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:23 AM ^
But doesn't that respect start with the head coach?
September 4th, 2011 at 8:53 AM ^
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2323
Is society (wrt sass-talk) very different now than in the '80s? Maybe, but probably not nearly as different as your prospective as a kid versus your prospective as a parent nearing middle age.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:26 AM ^
I think you could look far and wide before you'd find someone who DOESN'T agree that a football team needs to be disciplined. But why should that be equated with having a grown man scream his tantrum right into a player's facemask?
From what I am reading here, people don't disapprove of a coach being tough and demanding accountability. They disapprove of a coach doing it like Brian Kelly does it.
As for the 1980's I was a teen then as was my husband. I'm a parent now. I don't see a big difference between kids then and kids today. Sure, now they have cell phones, but there was just as wide a range of parenting styles then.
September 4th, 2011 at 10:32 AM ^
either with your own kids or coaching someone else's kids. Period. It's the lazy way out. Some of the most the screwed up people I know grew up in "strict" households. That doesn't mean that you spoil kids by "babying them" or letting them have everything they want. There are other methods in coaching and parenting than these two extremes.
What do you think the reciever learned from that tirade? "Oh, I better do better next time or coach will abuse me on national TV". Really; you think he didn't know he screwed up? Forget embarrassing. His actions were counter-productive for the team.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:21 AM ^
When the ND player missed the late field goal I thought for sure he was going to walk over to the USF side of the field. Instead, he faced the abuse like a man.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:22 AM ^
He is going to have an aneurysm next week. BOOK IT.
September 4th, 2011 at 11:30 AM ^
What I think you mean is that he will BLOW an aneurysm. People can live with them, the problem is when they rupture.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:39 AM ^
Par for the course for Kelly.
Go to a practice and you'll see him call kids "f***ing f****ts" and "qu***s" routinely. The camera caught a relatively average Kelly shouting.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:51 AM ^
Please, if you are going to say such things please give them some truth. Pratices are almost always closed. Stop saying stuff just so you can post.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:24 AM ^
I have a couple friends that played for Kelly at GVSU. Why would I lie about this?
September 4th, 2011 at 9:30 AM ^
So you're going to go ahead and assume he still does this, nearly 10 years later. Calling someone a "faggot" or a "queer" wasn't as big of a deal at that time. Doesn't make it right. But it doesn't mean he hasn't taken the words out of his arsenal as they've become more unacceptable. 10 years ago, nobody would give a shit if I called you a retard, except for someone with a mentally disabled family member.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:45 AM ^
I don't know, I'd argue that things haven't changed as much as we may think/hope in the past 10 years. In general, maybe, but with specific regions or people, some things won't change in just 10 years.
But, fair point. Whether or not the practice is continued can be debated. In Ann Arbor we generally look at these types of slurs as abominations, but in many, many parts of the country that nomenclenture is still alive and well. And I think we can all agree that the football field, in general, is probably a place where homophobia is still pretty rampant.
September 4th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
"Calling someone a "faggot" or a "queer" wasn't as big of a deal at that time." Perhaps this is true in the sense that society as a whole has become more tolerant of homosexuality and has labeled those terms as offensive or politically incorrect, but being called a faggot or a queer in a derogatory sense has never been well-received interpersonally. And even ten years ago I believe that whoever you called a retard would not appreciate that either. Belittling people is not (and never has been) ok, regardless of whether the term one uses to do so is PC or not.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:45 AM ^
to Notre Dame.
However, he may be entertaing next week at the Big House.
Will they play his rants on the HD scoreboards?
hahahhaha
September 4th, 2011 at 8:46 AM ^
It is one thing to be emotional, but yesterday he was over the top. Bet he blew out a couple of brain cells...his BP must have been stratospheric.
September 4th, 2011 at 8:48 AM ^
This is normal for BK. Every game he does this a couple times.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:03 AM ^
there is a saying in education: praise in pubic, punish in private.
i guess BK doesn't subscribe to our news letters
September 4th, 2011 at 10:27 AM ^
It would be pretty tough to praise in pubic, but I'd love too see someone try ;)
What if someone praised their pubics in public?
September 4th, 2011 at 9:17 AM ^
Can't see Hoke doing what was shown in the clip, nor will he pass out the juice boxes either when a player screws up. A coach that has the player's respect will get their total effort, a coach that is feared will get just enough effort to keep from incurring their wrath. That is all. Dang, I could go for a juice box right now!
September 4th, 2011 at 9:44 AM ^
September 4th, 2011 at 9:19 AM ^
http://ndnation.com/archives/2550
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September 4th, 2011 at 9:35 AM ^
I don't follow ND, or their boards at all, but those were some pretty level-headed responses. They were right about his lack of composure. This wasn't just yelling at a pleyer, this was a guy completely losing his shit. If I was a ND fan, I would be embarrassed for him, too.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:36 AM ^
He had some pretty epic explosions of his own.
September 4th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
I was absolutely embarrassed when I saw him go off. I think it shows lack of composure and control, not good coaching. Like the guy several posts below, I used to work in kitchens, where yelling is a way of life. And I always maintained that yelling is the least motivating tactic of getting someone to do something. It's one thing to lose your temper once or twice, but as a management style, it truly doesn't work. It doesn't bring out the best in people, and that's what a leader needs to do.
September 4th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^
You're ok in my book.
September 4th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^
Growing up playing hockey, where I imagine the yelling from coaches is similar to football, I was always fine getting yelled at for blowing an assignment or being out of position or using improper technique. I would have definitely checked out of a game if a coach ever called me a fucking asshole or a fucking limp dick.
I'd like to see a clip of RR actually insulting a player before the comparisons make sense. Sure he would scream in Denard's face last year, but I don't recall being able to discern insults.
September 4th, 2011 at 9:36 AM ^
But this is pure biased horseshit. He's not the only coach that ever yelled like that at his players. I thought Rod was going to rip Lewan's head off a couple times. Considering the way that team played yesterday, he had every reason to be upset.
Michigan fans hate Notre Dame's coach, I don't see this as shocking news, but to say that this is sooooo much worse than any other coach is ridiculous. A camera on Bo Pelini for an entire game would make this look like child's play, and Saban is the same way. Saban actually made an NFL player cry at practice when he was the Dolphins coach.
I'm not saying Brian Kelly's methods are right or wrong. What I am saying is I have never been a football coach, and I have no idea what methods work, or don't work.