Bad takes about how College Football is more difficult than the NFL (No)

Submitted by MGoArchive on January 3rd, 2023 at 11:55 AM

There are a prevalence of bad takes in various threads about how coaching in CFB today (@ Michigan) is worse than the NFL. Look - if you prefer the NFL to CFB - have a ball. But the Football Program has an excellent setup right now to support Jim.

From a historical perspective, there has NEVER been a stronger support system in place  (administrative, financial, and organizational) that supports the Football Program than there is today. This was not true three years ago - there has been a huge influx ($$$) to help the Program succeed, in whatever capacity possible.

Specifically - Michigan found a way to beat the bag man NIL by going over the 85 scholarship limit (paying tuition for players so they don’t go over scholarship limit and his virtually make the 12 team playoff every year going forward. There are alums/boosters that are paying for tuition, today, for players that allow the Football Program to (functionally) go over the 85 scholarship limit.

$40M+ weight room facility upgrade. Upgrades to the stadium for the scoreboards. Whatever the Program needs, the Program has gotten.

Stipends for certain players that are performing well. There is no lack of money.

From 2015-2020 Jim didn’t earn what he was being paid. Other schools would have fired him - rightly or wrongly, that’s the CFB landscape today. Same is true for the NFL - perform, or get fired.

He was given an extension, which was a very fair outcome. As soon as he met expectations, he got his money back PLUS a raise.

Michigan did right by Jim. I’ll give Jim a pass for the NFL flirtation last year, but if he doesn’t respond by Friday - Jim is a dick. It's not unreasonable to confirm with a coach/nudge him into making a public statement confirming what his future plan are, especially a year after he's had a dalliance with the NFL. Yes, he did do that in November. He's going to make what - $200 or 300K in his check this week? I think he can string together a tweet.

He can be the best coach Michigan has ever had by modern accomplishments, and a dick to the stability of the program in the absence of a public response, this week, on what his future plans are. Both things can be true.

 

 

Hab

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^

Thank goodness for work today to distract from all this nonsense.  What will be will be.

And Newcastle take on Arsenal in a few hours.

BoFan

January 3rd, 2023 at 1:19 PM ^

And then the OP, who inexplicably decides he needs to pop out a new discussion on bad takes, has the worst take of all.

He says college football is better now because it has more resources than before.  Yet, all his examples are of Michigan which has more resources than just about anyone. But these new unlimited and unhindered resources are exactly the problem. Without rules for fairness and parity like in the NFL, these resources will solidify the entrenched programs even more.  And this is why coaching in college is much more difficult, if you want to win championships, than in the NFL.  That is assuming you are a great coach and not just a good coach surrounded by an institution designed to make you successful. 
 

It took Harbaugh a few years to turn Stanford into a winning program.  He was not going to win a championship there.  It took him 8 years at Michigan to get to a semifinal. There are still big hurdles, that will get bigger with the new gold rush and lack of oversight, to win a Championship. It took him one year in the NFL to turn San Francisco into a winning program and three years to get to the Superbowl.  
 

The OP’s last paragraph is unfair. Harbaugh has built a great program at Michigan and we the fans have had the opportunity to enjoy so many good moments that just a few years ago we thought we’d never experience again.  Its been 20 years since we won in Ohio. No matter what Harbaugh does, we should be thanking him for these great years. 

SeaWolv

January 4th, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^

Turnarounds are certainly easier in the NFL in this age of parity. With salary caps, free agency and the draft, fortunes can be radically changed in a short period of time.

However the biggest negatives for NFL coaches still exist. Owners are impatient and fickle, fans and the media can turn on you and players can still be prima donnas that wield more power than the coach. Not to mention clashes with front office personnel like the GM, as Jim knows all to well.

Things at Michigan may be challenging with the changing landscape of recruiting and UM may be behind the curve but Jim will always wield powerful influence over that system. His players will play for him because of his significant successes at both levels and most will run through walls for him because of it. Jim can be top dog in Ann Arbor.

That kind of culture is difficult to cultivate and maintain in the NFL because big personalities tend to clash and egos tend to grow with team success. In the NFL the coach isn't always the top dog.

 

Jkidd49

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^

I do happen to think the NFL is a better gig than NCAA right now mostly because of all the craziness around portal, NIL, etc. BUT that last paragraph feels spot on to me. 

ST3

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^

Last season, the Rams went 12-5 in the regular season and won the Super Bowl. It was a successful season.

Michigan just finished a 13-1 season. If Michigan had lost a regular season game (or maybe 2,) they don’t even get into the playoffs.

 The pressure week in and week out in college football is intense. A pro team can lose their penultimate game and still make the playoffs. Teams that have wrapped up playoff appearances may rest their starters this weekend. Michigan HAD to beat OSU, and likely Illinois and Purdue to make the playoffs. 

Buy Bushwood

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:43 PM ^

It's just what you love.  I'm sure NFL coaches put in just as many hours.  They may not be texting recruits or dealing with the 4th-string QB getting dumped by his girl/boyfriend.  But I'm pretty sure NFL coaches still sleep in their offices regularly trying to gain any kind of advantage they can.  

 

Didn't Harbaugh say like two months ago that he loved having and being around players who "didn't have adult problems"?

Kevin13

January 3rd, 2023 at 2:24 PM ^

The NFL has become better. There are at least oversights making sure everyone plays by the same rules. There are salary caps. Players sign contracts and have to stay with a team so if you build something you know what you have and what you need to upgrade   In college you never know who is going to stick around anymore   The more I think about it I don’t blame JH for wanting to make the jump. If your coaching professional football you might as well do it at the highest level and hopefully win the top trophy in the game 

jblaze

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^

All of that and it's still not enough, because we will not get the level of player that OSU, Bama, UGA get year in and out, not to mention the tear that Texas is on (did Arch Manning/ Quinn Ewers... even consider us)?

Harbaugh & staff are the best player development coaches in CFB and they need to not miss on a guy. We get a top 8-16 recruiting class year in and out, which isn't very good when the top 3 get the top 3 every year.

In the NFL, Harbaugh doesn't have to worry about recruiting and can turn a good QB into an elite one.

mGrowOld

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:11 PM ^

So I guess I did it wrong.  Like an idiot I made a comment (probably about the 310th or so) in the JUB thread rathering than starting my own thread so all you plebes could see what I think about things.

It's important to start threads so everyone gets to see your very important thoughts on this situation and not just leave a comment in one of the other 10 or so threads on this exact same topic.   Doing it the way I did you run the very real chance of not EVERYONE seeing it and Lord knows your thoughts deserve more attention than that.

LB

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^

And that is spot on. With all of the inside knowledge we have of either the NCAA or the NFL we're liable to believe anything. I think we should go back to giving Brady relationship advice. He's had to stoop to dating another model.

I have little doubt there is some gamesmanship going on. Outside of that I also believe that those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know. 

The Mad Hatter

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:17 PM ^

Be that as it may, it's probably easier in some respects to coach in the NFL than in college.  An NFL head coach can lose half his games, make the playoffs, and have it be considered a successful season.  Lose more than one game in college and your season is over.  It's also probably easier dealing with professional players than teenagers.

That said, I'd rather live like a king in Ann Arbor for the rest of my career than risk the instability of the league.

WeimyWoodson

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^

Jim Harbaugh has spent 12 years of his life at Michigan (coaching and playing) and 18 years of his life in the NFL (coaching and playing). If he had to answer honestly how he views himself (college or NFL) he'd probably say NFL. 

NFL he has a roster of 53 people and players doing anything to make the team. College, he's having to kiss the asses of 15-year-olds and their parents. I totally understand why people would rather coach in the NFL. A lot of people love the product (I don't).

BoFan

January 3rd, 2023 at 1:04 PM ^

I prefer watching college football over the NFL and college basketball over the NBA.  One of the main reasons has been that college games are more fun and unpredictable.  But lately, although there can be some fun upsets, the college game is much less of an equal playing field.  There are a few teams at the top that always win and that are not going to be toppled easily.  
 

So as a coach, the college game is not a fair playing field at all if you want to win championships.  If you take over a college program vs a pro program, unless you have an unfair advantage (bag men, deep pocketed alumni, a huge AD budget, a conference focused on winning over academics, cheating) you’re going to have a much tougher time developing a winning program.   And even if you do, you have no chance of winning a championship.   

The NFL has structured parity. A great coach can step in and take a team with a 10 year losing record and be in the Superbowl in two years (sound familiar).  That’s impossible in College.  

MgoArchive’s take is Myopic.  He’s focused on Michigan is better off than before. He’s focused on only Michigan.  Yet the structure now is still not set up for Michigan to easily get over the top and it’s going to get more imbalanced (with Michigan falling behind until a new commissioner steps in assuming they do something) in the near future.  Michigan has a lot of riches (budget and rich alumni) but it’s going to take the ethically conservative approach.  
 

But the original discussion was not about Michigan vs the NFL.  It’s about which is fairer and by fair, the rules are set up so that if you step in as the head coach you have a better and more fair chance at winning a championship. There is absolutely no doubt that it’s in the NFL.  
 

It is interesting that we have many successful college coaches that fail in the NFL.  That could be that their schemes don’t translate well or it could be that they can’t win when the playing field is more even.  

Bo Harbaugh

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:14 PM ^

100%

He is obligated, however, to give assistant coaches, current players, commits, the admin, the university updates. Their jobs, livelihoods, and life decisions are dependent upon his decisions...which is why without transparency, this is selfish.

And if he had already given any of these folks updates, we would have heard about it by now.  So yeah, he has a responsibility to the program, not the fans.

rc15

January 3rd, 2023 at 1:00 PM ^

Do you tell your boss, coworkers, HR at your company when you're looking at other jobs?

People seem to want him to make (another) statement. If that statement is "yes, I've changed my mind and have interest in the NFL again"... then the NFL doesn't reciprocate... do we want to be stuck with a coach who has publicly said he doesn't want to be here? How is that going to be for recruiting?

The best thing for him and Michigan is for him to keep his mouth shut. If he's gonna leave, he's gonna leave. If he stays, he can say "I said I was going to stay". If he gets a restructured contract with bigger buyouts on both sides, or turns down an NFL offer, he can put this to rest once and for all.

MacMarauder

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:09 PM ^

Jim has a better chance to win a national title at Michigan than he does a Super Bowl with Denver/Carolina/Indianapolis. Also, in my view a college national championship is equal in prestige to a Super Bowl win. Unfortunately given his continued interest in the NFL I doubt Harbaugh agrees with me on these points.

smotheringD

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^

What if he doesn't know what his plans are?  What if he likes his life right now, more or less, perhaps a bit frustrated by __________ in College Football right now (per JUB).

But what if, being the uber-competitor he is, at night he goes to bed wondering what it would be like to win the ultimate prize at his profession, a Super Bowl?  He came so close, right?  He was an exceptional pro football coach.

What if he's pretty happy right now, but if the perfect situation came along...

He has fixed Michigan football.  Our program which was badly broken boasts the second best record over the past couple of years.  Two top 4 finishes, back to back B1G Championships.  He has brought us back from the gutter of mediocrity.

Sure, selfishly, I'd love for him to stay.  But for the job he has done here I don't think he owes anyone anything but to do what is best for him and his family.

DonAZ

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:13 PM ^

On first blush, I thought this thread was going to be about how college football is morphing into something more like the NFL, what with the 12-team playoff coming soon, and the disruptive effects of NIL and the transfer portal. 

I've been a college football fan for 50 years, and while I'll confess to harboring a nostalgic yearning for "the good old days," I'm also fascinated to watch the evolution that's unfolding right before our eyes.  I suspect if we think things are in flux now, just wait ... "we ain't seen nuthin' yet."

MgerBlerg

January 3rd, 2023 at 12:14 PM ^

Purely on sport, I prefer NCAA to NFL but I think the argument presented isn't about compensation or resources.  It's more that the amount of work/ responsibility/ stress is higher, maybe much more so, for NCAA coaches than NFL.

NFL coaches can focus primarily on the coaching aspects of the game whereas NCAA coaches have to also worry about recruiting (and all the ever-increasing complexity that goes with it - NIL, transfer portal, etc) which is arguably more important and has nothing to do with real football acumen.  So basically NCAA coaches are coach and GM except there's a much lower sense of roster stability since there are no contracts like in the NFL.  Also somebody mentioned that the NFL has a real offseason where you have the option to presumably scale down hours whereas you're recruiting year-round for college.