Back so soon? Reports indicate NCAA investigators back in Columbus; hearing could be pushed back from August.
Jack Carey and Thomas O'Toole at USA today are reporting that investigators were back in Columbus today; cursing their fate at having to return to the ugliest city in America.
Apparently:
The investigators, according to a person with knowledge of the situation who asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the case, are in Columbus after news media reports in recent days outlined the possible accrual of impermissible benefits by athletes dating back almost to the beginning of ex-football coach Jim Tressel's 10-year tenure.
This is not good news for the Buckeyes. Great!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2011-06-01-ncaa-ohiostate_N.htm
because the self reporting was lies. They only self-reported half of the truth, so that shouldn't mean that they get a benefit. A lie is still a lie.
they only reported half of the truth because that's all the knew. they covered their ears and yelled LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU while people were telling them the other half so they could claim ignorance. so technically, the self-reporting was not lies. functionally, however...
...that's up to the courts to decide, based on the outcomes of the FOIA and other legal face-offs over osu/AD documents and records.
remember when smith very confidentiy said there were no other violations? he's not that smart.
Take your time, NCAA! Let's peel this band-aid one hair at a time.
Comments like that make me miss the old system. You were already plussed 5, I wish I could plus you to six!
If a poster gets enough up-votes, eventually his or her Karma will improve to 2 instead of 1. This means that his or her comments auto-spawn with double HP. Whoops, are we playing WoW or Mgoblogging? :-)
People do come to Columbus from all over for the best car deals. Perhaps they just need a good minivan.
OSU campus yesterday.
Akerman and Olentangy River Rd (just a couple of blocks away from the toilet seat). I know the picture is a little small, but it reads "the best damn tailgater in the land" on the side. FOR SALE!!!
It might look nice in Maize and Blue, though you might have to do some interior cleaning to fix the work of the cooler-poopers.
"Boy - you're gonna carry that weight . . . a long time!"
I wonder if a longer timeline could strangely benefit OSU by delaying a decision on a post-season ban. Would be a bummer if they were able to qualify for the B1G Championship game this year.
They won't be in the B1G Championship game; it won't even be their loss to Michigan next November that keeps that team out.
I don't see how a loss to michigan could keep them out either way, unless it was a tiebreaker. They aren't in the same division, so OSU could lose to UM and still win the Leaders by winning all divisional games. But I do agree that I don't think that they will be in the championship game.
Cross-divisional games count, too. The winners of each division are not determined solely based on division record.
A longer timeline also lessens the chances of them being able to pull a big name coach. No big-timer, at least in my opinion, is going to want to come in and have to take on the full brunt of the sanctions. The best thing for them in terms of getting a top coach is for the penalties/bans start immediately under Fickell so the new guy doesn't have to preside over the entire sentence.
On the Dan Sileo Show this morning, Dan threw out the name of Skip Holtz as a possible replacement if USF wins the Big East. Lou was an assistant under Woody and Skip actually grew up in Columbus. I really can't see that happening...but...
Pushing the bowl ban forward means one more their recruits would miss out on.
OSU is like an onion, it has layers, or was that ogres?
Ahh, either way, this onion's layers are getting peeled, grilled and carmalized right before our very eyes.
My grocery store just ran out of popcorn!
They will have adequate rations...
OSU won't be dismantled in one either. They'll take it apart piece by piece
date back to the beginning of Jim Tressel's 10-year-tenure, then the sanctions will too. Should've known once Clarrett was kicked off the team the rings would be gone too.
See here on the Wolverine Blog. The upshot: there is a 4 year statute of limitations, excepting:
- The eligibility of current student athletes
- "Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period"
- "Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter."
bad news for the Buckeyes.
Yes, but (and I'm not going to look the exact wording up), the statute of limitations doesn't pertain to violations that are shown to be a pattern of continued behavior, which makes this investigation that much more delicious because they fit that exact scenario...
EDIT: Guess somebody beat me to it AND looked it up. I have been research pwnd.
I know the NCAA reserves the right to go back after penalties have been issued and impose more harsh penalties should more information come to light. I don't know if those fall under the statute of limitations or not. Obviously listed above is the precedent of why this case does not have to be constrained by a statute of limitations.
Just a question, if a Coach leaves one school that is on probation in which the coach had been implicated in wrongdoing, but not confirmed, wouldn't you think that the NCAA would expect that the new employer would pay extra close attention to that coach and his athletes? And yet, from the Cooper quote we can assume that just the opposite was done, or there was a total lack of institutional control in which everyone, AD, Compliance, ADMIN, etc., knew what was going on!
Well I don't really know if there is any defined protocol for giving extra compliance attention. I'm fairly certain that compliance departments are supposed to make sure their athletic teams are compliant with the rules regardless of whether a university hires a coach that used to be a pastor or a coach that was indicted on embezzlement charges.
Which brings us to the question of why you would hire a coach that had been tainted by something like that in the first place....which brings us to the excellence at the University of Ohio State...
the residents of that embittered enclave are, it should not be long before all the finger pointing in the wrong direction backfires and scapegoats become whistle blowers.
This is like an episode of Holmes on Homes as he starts to peel back a corner piece of drywall to notice the evidence of water damage behind the walls that comes from upstairs. Before you know it, he's got every wall and subfloor torn out to find the root cause of the problem. And just like H on H, this shit's gonna be expensive.
Spot on! That is a great analogy.
My father and I once owned an airplane together. We owned it for about five years. It only flew for one. After we spent two years rebuilding it, then flying it for a year, my dad decided it was a good time to get to some things that weren't safety critical but that we'd decided to put off the first time around. Every time I went to the hangar over the course of the next two years, some other part was removed from the plane. By the time he was done, more of the plane was on shelves and in boxes than on the airframe.
If that's the pace and outcome of the NCAA investigation, it will take longer than any of us will be able to stand, but there will be nothing left of that Athletic Department or its sports teams.
Is not critical?
You know, come to think of it, we did seem to have a bigger than usual box of "unknown parts" after we put it together the first time....
It's not great for the conference or the rivalry, but I have to admit to a guilty pleasure:
I'm really enjoying watching this unfold.
I wonder if this has anything to do with that "weak" SI article everyone was bitching about. I think alot of people underestimated the pull it would have.
"Okay, gentlemen, let's get this one right. The new alma mater took some time to write and we don't want to screw it up.
/sweeps his arms toward the downbeat
"FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..."
I am so stuffed from popcorn. We might have to move on to something new.
Potato chips?
with some fava bean and a nice chianti.
***double post*** sorry.
I hope OSU has plenty of "lube;" it sounds like they are going to need it. Couldn't happen to a nicer program.
They're gettin it hard and dry . . . .
....made mention of "fisting".
It's really great to know that the job of an upstanding, honest AD like Gene Smith is still "safe."
...THE KISS OF DEATH.