24/7 Notes "The schools who cleaned up in the 2021 transfer portal"... will Michigan ever be allowed to compete?
The article (it's free, up at 24/7 Sports) starts ..."
It’s a new frontier in the world of college football and, following an uncertain and tumultuous year, the excitement has been building for a much more normal season.
The transfer portal has certainly been adding to that intrigue.
Programs have been able to rebuild in different ways, replacing departures with experience in this new “Free Agency Era” for the sport."
Is Michigan going to be allowed to actually compete in this era? Seriously seems like a self-inflicted weakness for a major, national football program like U-M to essentially self restrict their ability to compete for transfer talent.
The sport has changed and I'm pretty sure the coaches Michigan has hired (and Jim H) are ready to adapt. Will the "powers that be" ever allow it? Undergrad transfers shouldn't be this near-impossible.
What are you referring to? Michigan picks up their fair share of transfers. The front page is an announcement of us landing one.
UM is notoriously shitty about accepting transfer credits.
Most Michigan alums are proud that we have academic standards.
Academic standards are different than not accepting transfer credits lmfao
I actually disagree, and for reference I transferred into Michigan for my degree. The academic standards determine what colleges you are allowed to xfer credits from. All mine transferred and I came in from a diff B10 engineering school.
If it was a CC or non-P5 there would've probably been credits not approved based on all my research on it back then.
I transferred into UM from CC… every credit earned over two years transferred. The reason: I didn’t take stupid worthless classes.
There way go, perfect answer. People don't like facts as it fucks up all the apologists' storyline.
Last time I checked, we are not THEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ohio state community college.
Beware of taking one person examples with no receipts.
I'm willing to believe the poster, but I am also confident there are CC transfers to UM who took non-worthless classes that didn't get the transfer credit. Often the process boils down to: "Do we have a similar class at UM" and it can depend on which department and which individual is reviewing that day.
I work at a top 30 university, and I'm confident there are some rigorous courses here that wouldn't count for credit at UM and vice versa. Or they would count for elective credit but not for fulfilling gen ed/core curriculum/major requirements, so the student would have to re-take a similar class.
You can go on Michigan’s website or the community college website and it show exactly what classes transfer to which university. Take those classes and they transfer. Pretty simple.
Truer words have never been spoken... Still, I don't really hide my Michigan identity if you really wanted to dox.
And I went to Monroe CCC.
Was it a Michigan CC? Don’t most state schools have relationships with their own state CCs that make transferring in easier as long as you get good grades?
Same, and even over 2 decades ago now the school's website had an excellent resource where I could check the classes offered by the CC before I took them to see if they'd transfer to Ann Arbor...and in doing so every one but the 1hr intro to computers (needed 1 more hour to get enough for a scholarship don't judge) transfered...crazy.
Students should formulate a plan, and if they are struggling with that they should avail themselves of the hosts of academic advising options they have. Someone I was at the CC with went to Harvard. It isnt impossible.
This. As a professor, every college has to work to make sure their courses transfer, and make it clear in their transfer department which ones transfer to where. I deal with making sure my departments’ courses are transferable to the public institutions in our state.
You are blaming Michigan when you should be blaming the player and/or his former school. Why? Because the kid either took random classes just to be eligible or he was fed into classes just to keep him eligible but that are not designed or clarified for how they are transferable by his original institution.
Our football team could, or should, have someone on staff responsible for helping student athletes get their credits to transfer. I’d hope they do—someone to contact the original school for documents to support an unclear course for its objectives and outcomes.
No it's not. Obviously.
Yea what’s wrong with them in admissions. UM was founded for football. What’s with this silly crap about producing business leaders and top doctors and engineers. These kids aren’t here to play school. If they can play football just let them be damned if they actually took a worthwhile class at another school. Academic institute phew!!!!
For a counterargument: admissions at most top universities have spots specifically for very wealthy kids, whether the parents have to donate at the front end or are massaged by Advancement for donations while the student is at the university.
What would be the difference between making room for these non-academic qualifiers to bring in money for UM vs. football players who are non-academic qualifiers who bring in money, prestige, and visibility for UM?
And the University shouldn't be selling out for those kids either.
well, they all do so you point is moot.
instead of complaining about something that will never change, maybe we should apply the same standard across the board as Ezeh stated?
actually, that’s exactly what is meant by “academic standards”. by, you know, definition.
Yes for most transfers! But for student athletes, I think the University should east up.
Michigan is notoriously shitty about getting the most out of their talent and winning big games.
No we aren't, everyone just keeps parroting Seth's story. Lol at will Michigan ever be allowed to compete given the multiple transfers we are bringing in this year, have in previous year and do across every sport at the university.
I transferred from College of Engineering to LS&A, and my experience was that the U was in fact notoriously shitty about transfer credit, even within the University.
This should be even more emphasised. Within the University between the colleges, they don't even transfer some of the credits. This is shitty! Pure money grab.
Those are juco transfers. Grad transfers should be 1) irrelevant because they already have a degree and aren't transferring credits and 2) are typically transferring from better institutions than jucos.
Michigan basketball isn't having any problem with grad transfers. Seems footballs problem is that they're just losing out on the best guys (Tony Fair chose Auburn, Antonio Shelton chose UF, Jordan Williams chose VT, etc).
We also had a quarterback transfer in. But anyway, yeah, I am OUTRAGED that Michigan doesn't accept transfers!!!!!!
The DT and the QB are both grad transfers. Michigan has an issue bringing in non-grad transfers, as credits are more difficult to transfer between Michigan and school X.
Citing two grad transfers as your “Michigan does get transfers” example is ignoring the actual conversation at hand.
And exactly which non grad transfers did you want Michigan to target that they couldn't get because of a credit issue?
Sorry, just not true historically, especially with respect to non-graduate transfers.
Exactly. I'm not seeking to replicate the cut throat, no standards/look the other way compliance or certain SEC schools. If a young man is leaving a school under the cloud of scandal or something, I'm fine with Michigan not playing in that space.
The goal isn't to turn Michigan into 'Last chance u'... the goal is for Michigan to at least be a viable transfer option for quality undergrads playing football seeking another school and it doesn't seem like that's happening because of some hyper sensitive credit transfer issue. It's maddening.
I would bet a hefty sum Michigan would admit 99% of the kids that enroll at Clemson, Alabama or OSU. Let’s stop pretending “we can’t compete because of our admissions”.
I’m not mad or negative on Michigan. The majority of Elite Kids just don’t want to come play for Michigan (and most schools for that matter). Objectively they have good reason to, especially when they can play for Bama, Clemson or OSU.
You are mixing up two different issues. Admitting a freshman, or even a transfer, is a different issue than accepting transfer credits.
Michigan rejects more transfer credits than other schools- this is not just a football issue, it is true for all undergrads. So students have to be willing to give up significant numbers of credits to transfer to Michigan.
agreed, to a point. i do think there’s something of an emphasis issue, though. my gut feel - and i have no idea if it’s true - is that we tend to not reach out to a lot of kids that we know can’t cut it in the classroom…and the opposite is probably true, too. the marginal students that we do recruit might be intimidated by the academics. they ain’t here to play school, as it were.
The transfer you are referencing was a grad transfer. The issue that is the subject of this thread is Michigan having higher standards for transferring credits.
The transfer you are referencing was a grad transfer. The issue that is the subject of this thread is Michigan having higher standards for transferring credits.
Are you being obtuse or did you refuse to read the article?
Undergrad transfers shouldn't be this near-impossible.
Exactly. And it's not comparing or complaining that U-M need follow just the 'S-E-C' in adaptation to this new normal. TCU, the university of miami... the list of programs goes on and on.
Where is the evidence that undergrad transfers are near impossible? Charles Mattews? Leigha Brown? Is the football program being treated worse in regards to transfers than basketball or baseball within the school?
Michigan picks up their fair share of GRAD transfers (IFTFY).
I am not even sure whom the last undergrad transfer to UM might have been. Seems all we take are Grad Transfers.
No they don't. Getting one per year is not their fair share.
I’m more worried about things like not being able to adjust to the same damn crossing routes being executed against us every other play. Or the fact when we have a speedy guy on the field at receiver that the coaching staff thinks that this will be the jet sweep that will fool the rest of the universe that all know what is coming.
Look, we're not playing everyone else's reindeer games. You have to have real credits as an undergrad. You have to actually have a degree as a grad.
It is what it is
The only thing holding Michigan back from competing with the big boys is their offensive philosophy.
Yeah I agree this isn't the #1 issue for the program. There are other more important things to get fixed on the field.
But this transfer market is here to stay. Why is the university of Michigan, a multi million dollar football program, being hamstrung from accepting undergrad transfers?
b.c the university doesn't want a kid to xfer in with 85 credits, be in A2 for a year and a half and get a Michigan degree having taking 35 credits there.
Handle checks out
"The only thing holding Michigan back from competing with the big boys is their offensive philosophy."
Not completely true, Put. Our defensive philosophy has held us back too.
"The only thing holding Michigan back from competing with the big boys is their offensive philosophy."
I don't really agree with that. Not saying the offense is without blame, but the offense hasn't been the reason that Michigan gave up 119 points in two years to OSU. The defense has been a really big problem in big games. Maybe that changes with a new DC, but that's very much wait and see.
I also think a lot of what holds this program back is happening between the ears as well. Michigan has never won a game as an underdog under Harbaugh. Not once in six seasons. I'm not saying he should be winning all of them, or even most of them. But at some point you need to be able to rise up and win a game you're not supposed to win. I don't know what you attribute that to specifically, but to me I think that's mental. Like the team just isn't in the right frame of mind when they go into a big game. Especially against OSU. I personally think what holds Michigan back against OSU is much more mental and psychological than it is physical.
If it was only the physical talent, then teams like Indiana and Northwestern would never come close to beating OSU. But they both came close, just as recent as last season. They were both knocking on the door well into the fourth quarter. But Michigan can't even get as close as they both got. OSU lives in Michigan's head, rent-free, and has been doing so for nearly two decades. They know it, and they use it to their advantage. They know all they have to do it sit back and watch us self-destruct so they can methodically pick us apart.
OSU will not prepare for lesser teams in the way OSU prepares for Michigan; Urban Meyer has said as much himself. Hence, a lesser team can use an edge in preparation to surprise OSU in ways Michigan cannot. At least, not without Michigan risking losses to the bottom of its schedule.
When we wanted a former 5-star and 1 1/2 year starter with two years of eligibility from the University of fricken Mississippi, he seemed to have no problems transferring in.
Yeah but I seem to recall there was some issue getting his teammate? A top rated safety? Why was that?
Again I'm not seeking a last chance u type vibe but dang... the transfer market is wide open, young men can now freely move for new opportunities, teams are building depth using transfers, and the university of Michigan is seemingly putting itself into a smaller box.