2012 LB's Redshirting??

Submitted by Chi-Blue on

So by almost any estimation the defense and specifically the LB's have done very well this year and much better than expected. With that being said we return a host of good to pretty good and still developing LB's. I cant remember a LB group coming in that has this much hype and talent. The question then becomes who redshirts??

Royce - 4 star and should be enrolling early I thought

Bolden - 4 star

Ross - 4 star

Ringer - 3 star but lost out on the 4th because of injury this year.

I guess depending on how Ringers knee heals he would be the obvious, but I would think there will be more. Demens stays and the coaches love Morgan. Jake Ryan has played well especially against the run, and it has been stated on this board mutiple times that Mattison loves Poole he just needed to get bigger. Hawthorne has been great in spots and would figure in somewhere, and lets not forget Cam Gordon was a penciled in starter to most before the injury. Evans is supposed to be a 6th year qualifier as well, with Mike Jones and I. Bell figuring to be the odd ones out. Dont get me wrong this is exactly the problem that we need to have with talent overload and all, but just curious how the staff plans to balance this one out.

Thoughts?

Rabbit21

November 17th, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^

I think his size is a limiting factor.  I think he'll add something to the weakside linebacker discussion, but I think some time in the weight room is needed first.

Elmer

November 17th, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^

I was just wondering about Poole.  Curious to see what his weight is at and how he is looking after a season of practices.  Hopefully he will be a contributer next year. 

BlockM

November 17th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^

I'd love to see most of the stockpile of 4* LB's redshirted. The sooner we can get back to reloading instead of rebuilding, the better, and doing so would allow us to focus on the lines and other areas we're shorthanded a little bit more.

Brian

November 17th, 2011 at 12:38 PM ^

Bolden also enrolls early.

I'd guess RJS (from Detroit, where coaching is thin on the ground) and Ringer (injury means inexperience) redshirt while Ross and Bolden play. If the coaches end up having faith in Jones and Poole we could see them all redshirt, but that never happens.

I don't know what they do with Cam. His path to PT is backing up Ryan because Black moves to SDE and they slide Beyer to WDE, but even if (when) Black moves they'll have a sophomore Clark. Good problem to have, I guess. Maybe back to WR?

WolvinLA2

November 17th, 2011 at 1:46 PM ^

I wouldn't be surprised if next year Morgan starts at WILL but is also the back up at MIKE. He seems like more of a MIKE anyway, but it doesn't make sense to take him off the field if he's one of the three best LBs. I would think he's the heir apparent to Demens, so I'd prefer that if Demens goes out, Morgan moves to the MIKE and Poole or Ross come in at the WILL.

Magnus

November 17th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^

I doubt he'll move back to WR, but it is potentially problematic for Cam Gordon.  It would seem strange that Beyer would move to WDE, since he was there to start with.  Clark was a SAM to start the summer and Beyer was a WDE, then they flipped positions, and both are playing now.  I do think Beyer is a better fit at WDE; it just seems odd to switch his position again.

jbibiza

November 17th, 2011 at 2:06 PM ^

This is an interesting possibility given Cam's inability to get PT in front of Beyer.  We are pretty thin at WR even given the high liklihood that we will take two this year.  Cam was pretty well regarded as a potential possession receiver and he was the go to guy for Devin when Gardner was a HS Junior.

UMaD

November 17th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^

Stonum and Gallon start.  Roundtree and Dileo backup.  Jackson and Robinson depth.  Assume 2 freshman.  That's 8 guys.  Plenty for a pro-style offense.

Then you have other guys who can be used in 4 WR set like some RB (Hayes/Smith) and TE (Miller/Funchess)

ChiCityWolverine

November 17th, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^

Injuries aside, I don't think any of us really thought Countess would come in w/o enrolling early and unseat a fifth-year senior Woolfolk for his spot. It's tough to say who it will be, but if this class is as stacked as the ratings suggest, I expect at least two to be contributors on next year's team. My gut is Ross at MLB and Bolden (forget where he's being recruited for though) at WLB.

One thing, however, that people forget is that one of the reasons so many of these guys committed was early PT. They weren't guranteed anything, but these kids believe they will come in and play, so it may be a lighter year for redshirts than it normally would. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 17th, 2011 at 12:51 PM ^

With all these big time backers, and the Ryan/Beyer combo of really big SAMs, not to mention Mario O coming in, anybody think we might see some more 3-4 defensive looks in the future years? Didn't mattison run some of that in Baltimore?

UMfam

November 17th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^

Why does it seem like we always have a question about the 3-4 being our base defense? Baltimore has played both a 3 and 4 man fronts and have had success with both. Chicago bears have had success with a 4 man front, and greenbay with a 3 man. It really doesn't matter the scheme as long as the kids are taught the proper technique to succeed as a great defense. I really think taking 4 LBs has nothing to do with scheme and more about accepting a commitment from Ross as the 4th because we couldn't turn him away and we just need to improve the overall talent of the LBs

Maize and Blue…

November 17th, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^

We have 3 positions and how many scholarship LBs for next year?  Demens, Morgan, Ryan, Beyer, Clark, Gordon, I. Bell, M. Jones, Hawthorne, Poole, and if Evans gets a 6th year that would make 11 plus Bolden, Ross, Ringer, RJS, and Mario O.  Do we really need 16 scholarship LBs for 3 positions?

Ace

November 17th, 2011 at 1:06 PM ^

BTW, it's Ringer and Bolden who are planning on enrolling early—don't think RJS has that lined up right now, unless I completely missed something.

I said this in the comments of Thursday Recruitin', but I think Bolden and Ross will get early PT. Bolden's been getting rave reviews and played at a big-time high school against tough competition, plus he's an EE, and Ross just looks college ready (I got to see him play twice this season, and he was the best linebacker I saw out of anyone this year). RJS is talented but very raw, and Ringer had the injury issues, so I'm guessing both will redshirt.

superstringer

November 17th, 2011 at 1:09 PM ^

Why are we talking about 2012 already.

Season has 3 games to go, and all are big big BIG games.  Start of our new "rivalry" with NU, then The Game, then likely a NYD bowlgame for sure -- or a post-NYD bowlgame if we win the first two.  Can we stop worrying about things we have NO IDEA about, like redshirting guys who haven't even signed a LOI yet?

oriental andrew

November 17th, 2011 at 5:23 PM ^

Why are you even worrying about a post-NYD or NYD bowl game when we still have 2 regular season games to go and could end the season 8-4 and shut out of the BCS/Cap1/Outback?  Can you please stop worrying about things we have no idea about, like which bowl game Michigan will be in?  You act as if it's a sure thing. 

evenyoubrutus

November 17th, 2011 at 1:19 PM ^

I would assume that between James Ross and whoever else is considered a MLB, one or both will be available as a backup to Demens in order to groom him for a starting position in 2013.  I would assume the OLB candidates will all redshirt considering there will be 2 sophomores ahead of them on the depth chart.  And hopefully Ryan will be so ridiculously good that we will be fearing his departure each season beginning next year.

Magnus

November 17th, 2011 at 4:12 PM ^

You could be right (I don't listen to Sam Webb very often), but from my own projections and what I've seen everywhere else, he's being recruited as a WILL.  He doesn't seem to fit the mold of a 4-3 middle linebacker, especially when the coaches are grabbing big, tall, thick guys like Jenkins-Stone and Bolden to play MIKE.  They're completely different body types.

snowcrash

November 17th, 2011 at 1:32 PM ^

Hopefully they will all redshirt unless they can crack the 2-deep or are otherwise needed to play LB (not special teams) in meaningful situations. This seems likely at MLB as our depth chart should look like this:

SLB: Ryan, C Gordon, Beyer

MLB: Demens, ???

WLB: Morgan, Hawthorne, Jones, Poole?

If Evans ends up as Demens' primary backup, then one or even two true freshmen might have to rotate in anyway so we won't have entirely raw MLBs in 2013. I think the only plausible (if unlikely) scenario where true freshman MLBs won't have to play in 2012 would be if someone (Poole?) clearly beats out Morgan at WLB and Morgan moves over to MLB to back up Demens.