There won't be a bull and castration involved, right?
and... i like them? I think I like them.
There won't be a bull and castration involved, right?
I like your reasoning! We can only hope as I don't want to watch more painful games. You mention the loss to Wisconsin in the fall of 1981 after 4 consecutive shutouts. I was at that game in Madison having just graduated and taken a job in Milwaukee in the spring of 1981. I was rather cocky and Badger fans at that time paid more attention to their band than the team...of course the overwhelming darkness that consumed me after that loss seems a long way off but is always just under my skin, especially with another game in Madison coming up. Could we turn the tables on them this time!?!
thanks for the backgound on the Bo TAMU flirtation.
Yes please. Said it before the season started that 6-6 with a win over OSU is better than 9-3 with a loss against them; at least for my torn soul.
Growing up the only NCAA coverage we received was over Lake Erie (actually from Erie) and every Sunday at 12 noon we got the Pitt Panthers post game coaches show. This was during the Blair Warner/Hugh Green era. Until common sense took over after my first trip to the Big House as a teen I was a committed Pitt Panther backer and was certain Jackie Sherrill was a football genius.
Thanks for the memories.
Unfortunately, Sherrill also resigned after the NCAA found major violations, including the dreaded "lack of institutional control", in 1988. So, yes, he won 3 titles and had a winning record against UT, but he was cheating and is still considered a punchline down here in Texas.
Here's to hoping that RR won't have the same ultimate trajectory here.
Did the same song and dance at Miss. State, building a decent program off of NCAA Violations and Jr. College Players, only to bow out right as the NCAA started taking notice.
And one thing I noticed was RR just looked Mad as Hell. Hope had just pulled his little busch league stunt, and RR was already frustrated with losing the game. It looked to me like he knows what to expect from the press and the media after a tough loss (God knows we've had enough of them lately), but now He's got the freaking coach at Purdue, going out of his way to take a cheap shot at him right there on his own field, a shot that was even cheaper than the one Reckman landed on the NIU player.
I look at him in that press conference, and I for one LIKE IT. It looks to me like he's got more drive in him right now instead of just "Letting the Process run it's course", and I would not be suprised if we didn't see this team's best effort since the NOtre Dame game at Camp Randall.
not sure that Sherrill is a coach I'd want to compare RR to.
on probation during those 3 conference championships?
I don't think this is a good analogy at all.
Yep...I was also aware of Sherrill's NCAA issues and castration (which occurred in the 90's at Miss St.).
No meaning to imply those would apply to Rich Rod (the Free Press' chicken crap airing of anonymous complaints don't apply here).
My sense is that Sherrill was an EXCELLENT CFB coach, at least getting his players ready for games, making adjustments, and knowing how to beat his rival (after losing the first two).
And, like RichRod, had to change a "soft" culture at a time when Texas owned the conference. Anyone who knows Sherrill knows that he came across as a prick to his players during the game (yelling, stern looks, etc.) BUT his players did rally around him when they realized that this guy could lead a time to championships.
My feeling is that RichRod's transition would take as long as Sherrill's and WILL be fulfilled when we pull an upset of the Buckeyes, whether this year or next.
The old SWC was notorious for cheating. Everyone but Rice cheated. It was a different era and why the "death penalty" got instituted, with SMU the first victim.
Needless to say, it was a very tough conference at the time --- Texas, Arkansas (in the SWC at that time), and SMU were in bowls every year. The only easy game was Rice.
The old SWC was notorious for cheating. Everyone but Rice cheated.
Something tells me that that applies the whole South. During that time, there were also cheating scandals at Florida and Clemson, who was put on probation a year or so after winning the national championship. The South is dirty. Let's just give it to Mexico.
When Kevin Murray, the A&M QB was suspected of taking a car from boosters. The local TV stations started asking about other programs, and it turned out that TCU had 7 seniors who took payments from booster as well. They all got kicked off, the mild comeback TCU football had was over, and that eventually was the end of Sherrill at A&M. Jim Wacker was the TCU coach at the time, and ended up doing nothing at Minnesota.
TCU's team was so inexperienced after that mess, I remember a guy sitting in front of me at a game. On offense he would yell "everybody block!", on D it was "everybody tackle!"
Eventually I transferred to UM and all became right with the world.
I was in the DFW area for the winter of '95 to '96. All teams in the SWC were represented in my office except for TCU. I decided to make them my adopted team. Not long afterward I heard the Texas Cash Unlimited joke for the first time. I hope that's not a painful memory.
The one difference is that Michigan should expect wins over OSU more often than A&M expects wins over Texas. Sadly, I think that at this point in the rivalry, it would mean the same for us as that 1984 game for A&M. Another difference is, A&M fans weren't used to 35 years straight of bowl games. They don't have the winningest program in College football, and they weren't coming off the worst season in their history. I guess I just realize how sad our fanbase feels when we are looking externally for bright spots. As a program, we shouldn't be begging for parallels with other schools, we should be setting the bar on how to do things.
FYI of the overall records:
74-36 in Texas' favor.
57-42-6 in Michigan's favor.
I hate to say it, but the Gillispie comparison may not be that far off. Both worked their way up from tiny schools, had success at BCS schools that weren't traditional powers, and took over power schools where the cupboard was bare.
The difference is that it was an open secret in College Station that Gillispie was a raging alcoholic. Either Kentucky didn't do their homework, or they just didn't care. It was a mistake for them to hire him, and an even bigger mistake to bail after two years. I think five years from now Calipari will be gone and they'll be dealing with the fallout from his many NCAA violations.
So what's the take home lesson? If Michigan pulls the rug out from under RichRod, he will be doomed to fail. We'll be left with either starting the rebuilding over or hiring a shady quick fix artist (some sort of a version of Dennis Erickson comes to mind). Better to stay the course and see what happens.
Without much support to rely on (I wasn't an active college football fan in the early 80's), my guess is that coaches have less time today to prove themselves. Our collective patience as fans is shorter. For better or for worse, there's a greater focus on immediate results that prevents a coach at a big-time program from having oodles of time to prove himself.
On the flip side, however, there are now long-term contracts and a corresponding financial loss if you cut some guy loose before the expiration of his contract. We've already spent a good amount of money getting Coach Rod, and I would imagine that we'd give him at least three years to see if the investment pays off.
Perhaps these two forces cancel each other out, and we wind up with the possibility that we can indeed have a repeat of the A&M situation.
Great post!! I believe Coach Rod will have similar success here.
Will go ALONG way for all of us. I'm with the guy that said 6-6 and a win o er them is better then 9-3 and a loss to them. I know 9-3 means a better bowl game. I just think that a win over them bastards will help everyone.
Jackie Sherrill also paid his players. I don't know if I like that comparision, but it's one of the better researched ones I've read thus far (hopefully minus the ubiquitous impropriety).
the others have hit on this, but I don't think having your program never reach the heights it did before (A&M was a power before Sherrill) and having the coach leave after scandal is what most of us are hoping for.
If RR grew his hair out, he'd look more like Jackie Onassis.
Sherrill fielded 3 straight 11-1 Pitt teams between 1979-80-81 and three bowl wins. The 1981 team may have been his finest ever.
Similar to Rodriguez's last three teams 2005-06-07 at WVU prior to heading to Michigan.
Sherrill never repeated the same pinnacle of success at TAMU or Miss State, but he did win 3 straight SWC titles with very Lloyd-like results (i.e. 9-3-0 records on average).
Rodriguez is having success turning the offense around at Michigan, but I think the deficiencies on defense will take years to restock.
The biggest difference: Sherrill's best teams at Pitt and TAMU were all defense-heavy and had great offensive lines.
Rodriguez's best teams so far have been offensive powerhouses and with functional defenses. Todd Graham (HC at Tulane) and Jeff Casteel (DC at WVU) were Rodriguez's best DCs. Neither is coming to Michigan any time soon.
P.S. At Pitt Sherrill took over for Johnny Majors after the 1976 Nat. Championship. Sherrill came from a disasterous 3-8 Wash State team. Obviously very little Pitt player attrition for Sherrill between 1977-1981.
Sadly, I think the more apt A&M coach comparison is Franchione.
I like Markus2007's thoughts that even though Sherrill turned it around, he never really had great TAMU teams - his teams were more like the Lloyd 9-3 teams. If Rodriguez ends up being the same, and takes us only to as high as 9-3, he will be a HUGE disappointment. Michigan took a chance on Rodriguez because of the thought that he could get us competing for national championships, not just Big 10 championships. If Rodriguez never reaches the pinnacle, and he only ends up being Lloyd post 1997 (which isn't bad, mind you), he would have to be considered a failure because he would have not improved upon what we already had and he would have done so at the costs of a 3-9 season and potentially a 5-7 season that ended our bowl and winning season streaks. I think most fans who still support Rodriguez are able to stomach these results thinking of the potentially greener pastures that lie ahead. If we never get to there, then all of the misery of these last 2 seasons will have been in vain. Which is another reason to hope like hell that we get there.
And beating the Bucks this year would be a great way to start.
Negative vote for failing to mention NCAA sanctions, which are not an inconsequential detail.