This Week's Obsession: What's the Matter With Kids Today?
Watch the birdie.
In my day freshmen appeared on the scene knocking down Bobby Hoying passes, shutting down Terry Glenn, and cleaving Eddie George. Then they'd switch to offense and fold Mike Vrabel in twain. What's the matter with kids today? The cast today:
- Ann-Margret as Brian Cook
- Dick Van Dyke as Seth Fisher
- Bobby Rydell as Ace Anbender
- Jesse Pearson as Brandon "Birdie" Brown
Of the young linebackers, we've seen a lot of Bolden but not much from him. [Upchurch] |
It's an expectation (or a conceit) at Michigan that recruits follow a "track" of progression that should see them all-conference and worth drafting after four years in the program. Of the 2012 class and the few '13 guys who've seen action, who do you see as ahead of schedule, or worryingly behind?
Ace: I'm not even going to bother with the 2013 class because it's beyond too early to discuss their progression versus expectations; frankly, that's the case for the 2012 class as well, but they at least have a handful of guys who have broken through and seen extensive time.
Three players who are clearly ahead of schedule are Devin Funchess, James Ross, and Willie Henry. Funchess has gone from dangerous-but-terrible-at-blocking tight end to dangerous-and-oh-god-so-dangerous wide receiver, and he's got an NFL future even if his blocking never develops as much as we'd hope. Ross has had an up-and-down year but still has a stranglehold on the weakside LB starting job; he's a future all-conference player once he adds a little more weight to take on blocks—his instincts are already there. Henry's initial expectations weren't as high as the other two, nor has he played at their level consistently, but he's easily exceeded expectations for a late three-star pickup just by seeing the field and holding his own.
[Jump like a Funchess]
The only player I'd pin as being "worryingly behind" at this stage is Terry Richardson, who's been surpassed by a couple of true freshmen on the depth chart and is still an awfully thin 167 pounds—even if his body develops to the point that he's a viable Big Ten corner, he could find himself stuck behind Channing Stribling, Jourdan Lewis, Jabrill Peppers, and Shaun Crawford from the two classes behind him. This is entirely speculation: he seems like a strong candidate for a transfer due to lack of playing time.
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Coach Brown: I agree with Ace's stance on the 2013 guys but I'll play the game and talk about the true freshmen a little bit.
I know it's painful to think about Channing Stribling's two sure-fire interceptions that he somehow didn't catch, but the kid is impressive to look at and has obviously done something to earn playing time and trust early. I really like his upside and see him being a very dependable All-Big Ten type of corner before his time at Michigan is through. I also think Jake Butt has done a phenomenal job at tight end even though he still looks too skinny to really be called on to do much in the blocking game. I think by the time he is a junior at about 6'6", 250+ lbs. he will be invaluable for whichever young quarterback we have throwing the ball by then.
Waaay too early to write him off, but if he's Carlos Hyde 2.0 you'd expect to see it by now. (As readers noted, Hyde's freshman year was 32 carries for 112 yards)[Upchurch] |
For the 2012 class I think Ace nailed the early surprises in Funchess, Ross, and Henry. I think Jarrod Wilson has done some good things earlier than most would've expected as well and I think he is going to be very good for the next 2 1/2 seasons. Considering Ojemudia was a 3-star DE at barely 200 lbs. I think he did exceptionally well as a true freshman, and while this year he hasn't seemed to progress as much as one would expect, he is still very serviceable for a true sophomore.
I don't know if I'd label him as "worryingly behind" but I remember being very excited about the potential of Royce Jenkins-Stone and when you look at his offer list you can see why. All of the big boys were after him and he seemed to have that perfect combination of size, speed, and nastiness that looks phenomenal at the linebacker position. His career so far consists of 10 tackles and he's barely been noticed on special teams. With two fellow linebackers from his class (Ross and Bolden) and one from the 2013 class (Gedeon) getting playing time in front of him already, you wonder if he'll ever be a regular in the rotation.
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Seth: Golly fellas, I'm not asking you to write anybody off. Just asking if Kalis's struggles mean he's maybe not next-Hutchinson, or if Hutchinson looked like that as a freshman.
For the record, he didn't. Michigan's 1997 offense did a lot of running into stacked boxes with expected results but they usually got 2 yards from Backus and Hutchinson blowing guys off the line. The other guy (Ziemann, a converted DE) was the problem, not the freshmen.
Lewis is the other freshman corner who seems to be really close to good despite being on screen for some of the really bad. [Fuller] |
That said there's very few linemen among those who turned out to be pretty good who could perform like Magnuson and Kalis have as redshirt freshmen, and only Boren ever started as a true freshman as Bosch apparently will now. If I had to put them on tracks now I would say Magnuson (who seems like their favorite so far given how the coaches have been trying different ways of working him in) is going to be at least Stenavich/Schofield. Kalis is on the Matt Lentz track with plenty of room to grow into more. To even be starting now Bosch has to be touching that Hutch realm, or David Baas.
Co-sign on Stribling. Rather have a guy who can get to the right spot and just needs to time his jumps better than all the lost puppies who've roamed our recent secondaries. Jourdan Lewis too seems like he is getting there and just gets beat by great plays.
While on the freshmen, I am high on Gedeon; he is already better than Ross and Bolden looked last year at this time and he was consistently doing good things when I did that special teams UFR. If that matters at all, then Dymonte Thomas is raw raw raw but tantalizing--I wish he'd redshirted; I've got a strong Ernest Shazor vibe there.
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Brian: Yeah, no one's being written off yet, but as more data comes in expectations rise and lower. No one's a better example of that than Ben Braden, who was a consensus three star but had so much buzz I called him sleeper of the year along with Chesson. That looked on track when Taylor Lewan was calling him a physical freak on par with himself and he was slotted into the starting left guard role in the spring; now he's been shuffled out to tackle and beaten out by Erik Magnuson, who played when Lewan went out against Penn State and is himself now a starting guard. Braden was way ahead of pace, and now he's... uh... on it? Slightly behind blog expectations?
A couple other guys who seem to be lagging are Blake Bars, who was overwhelmed in the spring game and has not once been brought up as a potential solution to Michigan's interior line issues, and Tom Strobel, who was weirdly thrust into the mix at three-tech and hasn't seen any time. Being passed by a guy in the class that came in after you is always a bad sign, as Bars was by Bosch. It's not quite that obvious with Strobel, but not one snap on a rotation-mad line means you're starting to slip behind folks. AJ Williams is playing a lot, but uh... I see room for improvement.
As for guys ahead of schedule, I would also say Jarrod Wilson. This is a team that doesn't get much pressure, which in turn puts pressure on the safeties to not bust stuff. Wilson's been beat maybe a couple times this year and has also made some nice plays, which puts him well ahead of the curve for a true sophomore safety. I may just expect every safety to be a total disaster, no exceptions. I would also put Jourdan Lewis out there, as he's been in great coverage even if QBs are making the best throws of their careers against him.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:02 AM ^
It's a bird, it's a Funchess, it's...it's, nah you're right, it's a Funchess.
Ahead of Schedule
Funchess
Stribs & Lewis
G. Glasgow
Bosch for certain
Mags
Butt
Behind Schedule
Jack Miller
A.J. Williams
Dennis Norfleet
Guys named Frank Clark
Frank Clark
Probably Dennis Norfleet
Guys Who aren't behind schedule, but I wish I would see more from them
Derrick Green
Kyle Kalis
Chesson
De'Veon Smith
Taco
Dymonte
Guys I have seen too much of and never want to see again
Whoever that ACL guy is. Screw that guy.
GERG (Why is that guy coaching again? How is Texas' defense better? Football makes no sense)
October 30th, 2013 at 11:35 AM ^
I imagine "GERG" is more successful now because the head coach isn't telling him how to run his defense. People tend to jump on coordinators a lot, but they don't necessarily have complete freedom of action.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:46 PM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^
Frankly, Norfleet has been underwhelming on kickoffs. Yeah, he has that initial burst, but he hasn't shown a lot in the way of vision.
October 30th, 2013 at 3:07 PM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^
Someone said in a chat 1 week, Northfleet runs like a guy who catches the ball, closes his eyes and runs as fast as possible forward. This is my view of him too. Your "lack of vision" thing is up my alley. I dont ever get a Steve Breaston feel from him. I hope this changes in next 2 years - would be nice to have a real weapon back there; been a while.
October 31st, 2013 at 12:12 AM ^
That's when he's not bobbling it or flat out dropping it. But yeah when he does catch it clean I get excited because his immediate burst is great but he must have the worst vision. When he's not getting tackled he's knocking himself down running straight into blockers. Exciting none the less...and I'd say ahead of schedule considering I believe he is 5th on the all time return yards mark.
October 31st, 2013 at 7:36 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 1:41 PM ^
I would say he is more behind schedule, than underused.
You can tell Borges likes to put the ball in his hands when he is on the field. But you can't put him on the feild every down. They way this team idolizes WR blocking downfield, he must just not be cutting it.
Also, he is on his 3rd position in 1.5 years. That takes some adjusting, and I am sure he is behind the 8 Ball because of it. So while it is not his fault, I would say he is still behind schedule just because of the coaches decisions to move him around.
Now special teams. He goes down faster than Derrick Green* on first contact (hey-yo!). And he isn't an effective punt returner because he won't (or maybe can't) catch the damn ball. He should have the kickoff & punt duties locked down by now. So yeah, behind schedule IMO.
*Love you D. Green. Hope you turn into a beast ASAP.
October 30th, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^
I'll buy that. Whether it's his position changes putting him behind or his simple development as a player that's putting him behind schedule, he's been underwhelming thus far.
October 31st, 2013 at 11:41 AM ^
Remember Mel Gray with the Lions? He was a great returner, but can't hack it as a WR because he apparently is too dumb to grasp the concepts.
Not saying he is dumb, but it's a big reason why Mike Cox never saw significant PT as a RB before transferring to UMass.
Or look at Devin Hester. Great returner but terrible WR. Just because you're a great returner doesn't mean you're a good WR.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:04 AM ^
when it is sorely needed. Thanks.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:13 AM ^
The caption reads, "if he was Carlos Hyde 2.0, you'd expect to see it by now."
Not even freshman Carlos Hyde agrees. Frosh Hyde ran in a prolific offense on a stacked 13-1 -- err --- ASTERISKS and 1, OSU team. In limited action, had 24 carries and 141 yards, with a long of 16, for a very nice 5.9/pop and no TDs.
Green -- behind what I think we can all agree is an average line on its best days -- is a obviously behind that pace, but with a few short yard TDs to his credit. Anyway, I know RB is one of the few spots where frosh can step right in an succeed, but more than halfway through this season, it's starting to look like nobody is going to consistently average 5 yards/carry behind this line.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^
I don't think it's the YPC that worry people (I'm starting to join them). It's the fact that he looks like he runs extremely top heavy, doesn't have great balance, and can't get any YAC. That's really, IMO, where he was supposed to make hay. He was a huge huge guy with good quickness and speed, if he can't translate the huge part into YAC, the speed and quickness alone isn't anything special. He came in heavy and got hurt in camp, but 2 months later I would think you'd start to see some flashes of a guy that sheds tacklers but there just hasn't been that much of that, bad OL or not. That said, he's got plenty of time to turn things around.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:00 PM ^
I just think looks can be deceiving this early; only 30 some carries and an objectively poor OL. I'm with you in the sense that I was hoping by now he'd have trucked a fool or two, but I don't think we can overstate the fact that at least half of his college carries were him getting in shape from the time he lost in camp.
And I'm in total agreement with this: That said, he's got plenty of time to turn things around.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:21 PM ^
What worries me about Green is not just that he's failed to pull up trees when playing behind ... less-than-stellar run-blocking. It's that the same flaws that were apparent but overshadowed by that sweet, sweet size-speed ratio are predominanting now. If you look at his HS junior-year highlights, he had noticably poor balance. Like worse-than-Carlos-Brown balance. This improved by his senior year, but was by no means elite. Now, maybe this means he can continue to improve year by year, but I think that might be optimistic - RBs don't usually seem to be able to fix central flaws like 'speed' or 'agility' or 'balance' just by training harder.
I just think about the IU game - on one zone play, he bounced outside and IU had - by rights - lost contain. I'm not worried that Green wasn't fast enough to simply run past the DE/LB to the corner without being touched - dude's a big boy, and not everyone can be Ty Wheatley. But I am worried that the slightest of contact with his feet made him come down like a ton of bricks. Green's highlights seemed to me to be those of a really fast, big guy, with relatievly quick feet, who usually went down with first contact unless he was hit really high. That's been borne out so far in my estimation, so let's hope it's a sample size and conditioning-based issue and not a real and abiding weakness to his game.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:52 PM ^
was brought down by an arm tackle that was a real arm tackle--only an arm touched him, not even in the legs, and he went down. That is worrsome. And the Hyde compariison is apt in my view--Hyde shoewed raw ability all year for them, something that IMO Green has not yet.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:25 PM ^
You hit the nail on the head here. I could care less about his YPC. A 30 yard scamper against a beat-up Central Michigan team doesn't impress me. I want to see the things that make a back great. With his size and build he should rarely be tackled by the first defender or even on first contact, yet on many of his runs I've seen him go down from being hit in the ankle by much smaller defenders.
I am definitely not writing him off by any means. He is still very young and playing too sparingly, but I've seen some things that make me wonder if he'll live up to his billing.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:07 PM ^
My brother and I have been yelling at the TV all season about Green going down on first contact everytime. A 230-40 pound back ought to be able to break a few tackles.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:19 PM ^
he went down pretty easy too given his size/speed.
October 30th, 2013 at 3:18 PM ^
Coach, Green does seem to get tripped up a lot. What tends to cause this, and is it something that can be overcome?
October 31st, 2013 at 10:47 AM ^
he has zero balance just like Carlos Brown who get tripped up by grass. Maybe it's a core issue, but I'm betting that he'll always have balance issue.
October 31st, 2013 at 11:12 AM ^
Feet need to be picked up in the hole and get back down quickly (watch Hyde). Knees need to get higher and hips sunk a bit more to lower his center of gravity. The former of these things are easier to pick up than the latter.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^
Yup, if he were to keep his legs moving when contacted he would look much better. He stops his legs when someone starts tackling him and goes with it rather than fighting forward.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:57 AM ^
I think they're more talking about look than stats. Also, Carlos Hyde didn't put up great stats because he was in a loaded backfield lead by upperclassmen who had good years. You can't rely simply on stats to say that Carlos Hyde didn't look like he'd grow into being Carlos Hyde.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:13 AM ^
"but if he's Carlos Hyde 2.0 you'd expect to see it by now" WHA ....
Hyde's freshman year - 24 carries for 141 with a long of 16 yards vs Green (thru 7 games) - 32 carries for 112 with a long of 30 yards
Hyde wasn't the "feature" back until his junior year. I think Green is MUCH improved even after just 7 games. What he needs is more reps during the game. I also think he YPC is low because many of his cariies have been short yardage calls. I am still high on Derrick!
Go Blue!
October 30th, 2013 at 11:14 AM ^
guess I wasn't the only one that saw that ! hahaha
Go Blue!
October 30th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^
Take out Green's 30 yard carry against Central and he's run 31 times for 82 yards. Less than 3 yards per carry. Take out Hyde's long run and he's still way over 5 per carry. YPC IS relevant, despite what other posters have said. Yes, you have to factor in the offensive lines, let's do that and add a yard to Green's average. Still not approaching Hyde's. That s where the eye test becomes more of a factor--have people here been impressed by that?
Look, I'm dying for Green to be very good or great, and I'm not writing him off at all. But there is good reason to worry about a Grady situation-so far--IMO.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:50 PM ^
but I doubt Hyde was running behind a line with 3 first year starters.
Go Blue!
October 30th, 2013 at 4:35 PM ^
more reliable. The whole exrecise of comparing Green and Hyde by statistics is silly anyway. Hyde was 5th or 6th string and only got carries in garbage time.
October 30th, 2013 at 11:58 AM ^
Derrick Green is Jarrod Bunch+Leroy Hoard+Russell Davis all in one.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:11 PM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 12:21 PM ^
Michigan has elite representation in the NFL with guys like Tom Brady, Charles Woodson, and Jake Long. We have a number of receivers in the NFL, including Manningham with his memorable Super Bowl catch. It may not be the quantity our fans like to see but the quality is there. I think it will be a while before recruiting is affected by Michigan's lack of NFL representation.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^
As far as UM's representation in the NFL goes, all their "elite" representation is pretty old. Brady and Woodson aren't going to be around much longer. The defensive players (e.g., Woodley, Branch) are starting to show signs of their age. The receivers are far from "elite" players and are starting to age out, as well (e.g., Breaston, Braylon).
This shouldn't be surprising, though. Michigan hit on a pretty rough patch, and the effects of this are trickling up into the NFL. There's already started to be a relative dearth of former Michigan players in the pros, and that's probably going to continue for a while.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:47 PM ^
Woodson, and Long, and not so with the receivers. I agree they are at the twilight of their careers, but I still think the total success (first-round draft picks, superbowls, MVPs, length of careers, other individual awards) they have had and still being in the spotlight is enough, for now, to keep Michigan relevant in regards to recruiting players who seek to play on Sunday. Lewan is looking like a Top-10 pick in the coming draft. With high pro-potential recruits in the hopper, like Jabrill Peppers, and with a young o-line that I believe will likely produce some draft picks (I know, it's hard to see it just yet.), I don't think it's worth worrying about at all.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
Yeah, you're right. I misread your comment, regarding the receivers.
And I agree that it's not something to worry about. It was just nice seeing Michigan well represented in the pros, and not seeing that as much will be something that will linger for a while. It's going to be a long time before Peppers shows up on Sunday, assuming he makes it at all. But yeah, not a big deal, and something that will right itself in time.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:15 PM ^
were drafted by the San Diego Chargers. Molk after two year was let go and Schilling is on the practice squad. They both were drafted by the Chargers because of their weak offensive line.
On defense, Chargers drafted Mouton in the second round again because of their weak linebacker situation. Though he has been injured two of the three years, the one year he was healthy he hardly played. He will be cut once he is off IR.
These were three stars of recent Michigan teams and have been complete failures in the NFL. It highlights the quality of players playing for Michigan. In contrast, this year the Chargers drafted Fluker a right tackle from Alabama and he has been a stud in the starting lineup.
October 30th, 2013 at 6:58 PM ^
I think Martin and Graham were along with Molk "stars" over a guy like Mouton. To the bigger point - the near complete lack of high end NFL draft picks is damning. Of the current team I see Lewan JMFR and .... I can't find a 1st thru 3rd rounder on the roster unless he is a freshman or you want to project Funchess I guess to WR after 3 games at that position. It's an issue. I am not asking for Bama type pipeline but we are lacking... player development continues to be a sore spot for me in the past 10 years or at least post 2007.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:40 PM ^
Terry Richardson might be too small or just not talented enough to ever start.
October 30th, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^
October 30th, 2013 at 1:03 PM ^
Hey, glad I gave this column a chance again. Less trying to be funny more analysis/opinion really works IMO.
What worried me about Derrick Green was not so much the going down on first contact but the fact he did not look at all shifty. He looked like a guy who could run straight ahead and nothing more (and then also because he's a freshman would go down on first contact). I think it was the Indiana game where he finally had a carry that showed there's more to him. I have faith in a college weight lifting program that he will develop some strength and be much harder to bring down in a year or two plus our O-Line being more punishing will help.
October 30th, 2013 at 1:08 PM ^
I agree with most of the names here but I think there's a difference in expectations and just being on/behind schedule. RJS and Richardson had lower expectations coming into the program and thus it is hard to say when you combine that with the competition at their position whether they're behind schedule or just less likely to ever contribute in a meaningful way.
In my opinion, the two freshmen that have been the most surprisingly below expectations (which says more about our expectations than their future trendline) are Thomas and Braden. Thomas was a major recruit who saw a ton of action in the spring and now can't sniff the field on D and apparently is poor in coverage to the point where several other freshmen are seeing more time than he is. Considering he was expected to start next year, he has to be considered behind expectations.
Braden was also getting a lot of playing time and hype as Brian mentioned and now hasn't even been one of the TEN offensive linemen to get a start this season, which includes two walk-ons, two other redshirt freshmen, and a true freshman. He's also in line to start next year and that is concerning as he hasn't been able to get meaningful playing time.
The other player I had hoped to see more is Deveon Smith. Honestly I am surprised we haven't heard about a "mysterious back injury" ala Devin Gardner considering he hasn't played since very early this season. It makes sense for him to get an injury red-shirt like Gardner did since he's unlikely to play any more this season.
Finally, I think the biggest negative impact of the Akron and UConn games was our inability to give the younger players meaningful snaps. I suspect the coaches would have played Thomas, Smith, Gedeon, and a host of WR/DB players a lot had those games been the blowouts they were intended to be. Even Shane Morris could have used significant playing time in those games.
October 30th, 2013 at 4:42 PM ^
I'm not so sure about your take on the relative expectations for Richardson, RJS and Braden coming into the program. Braden was certainly the lowest ranked of the three. Richardson was even our #1 recruit according to ESPN. There was a lot of talk in the spring and summer about Braden, but I think it was likely blown out of proportion, certainly relative to anything anyone here actually saw.
October 30th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^
I don't agree with Braden from a recruiting standpoint but I suppose based on practice hype (which I now find completely useless) I agree. I do agree with Dymonte Thomas. He was a top 100 player and with a secondary utilizing multiple freshman the fact he cannot find the field at all ex special teams is a yellow flag. Unless I am mistaken the kid is going to be a starting safety in 10 months across from Wilson (who else is in the competition???) and can't find the field at all even against pass happy Indiana.
October 31st, 2013 at 10:50 AM ^
and was used more as a downhill "thumper". He has little experience in pass drop backs. This is a big reason why he's not seeing PT at S despite his athleticism. If you want to play S, you need to be comfortable in space or you won't see PT.
October 30th, 2013 at 3:09 PM ^
but not bold enough to say it. Time will certainly tell.
As far as T. Richardson & Jenkins-Stone - NOT suprised at all. In fact, when is Michigan going to realize that Cass Tech guys are almost always over rated. I'm never excited about recruits from that school. Besides Gholston, who in the last 2 decades has come out of that high school highly rated, and actually been a dominate force on the football field?
October 31st, 2013 at 10:51 AM ^
at Cass Tech. Coaching at the school is terrible which is why they take so long to develop as a player when they reach college. Athleticism is there but the mental/techniques aren't there.
October 30th, 2013 at 8:25 PM ^
I have been high on PeeWee since we started recruited him and although he has plenty of time to see his potential I thought he'd be good as a sophomore, not just so so. The other list of guys I'm seeing as a little lower than expectations are Bolden and RJS. I also saw RJS as having huge potential based on intangibles. Now, I don't see him ever holding down a starting job. Same goes for Bolden. Bolden's seen more snaps, but he's destined to get passed by Gedeon, and if not then by Ferns. For a guy so highly ranked Richardson has to be listed as a disappointment. I also expect a 5-star RB like Green to be good from day one...not much learning curve to RB, but I give him a pass based on our horrific o-line.
I agree on Stribling as a nice surprise who is surpassing expectations. Wilson and Ross seem about on track as I see it...pretty good, inconsistent, but talented...just what a 4-star sophomore should be. Funchess equals waay ahead of schedule and awesome. No one else in the 2012 class has gotten enough snaps to say either way IMO.
In the '13 class Butt & Gedeon have to be ahead of schedule. I can't say anyone is behind, but I had hoped to at least see a few snaps from Charlton. Although you can't say he's behind, it's just disappointing we haven't seen him yet, and means he's probably just not as good as I expected or I had way too high of expectations. It's hard not to with such a highly rated kid with such good size, but hopefully in the near future he has a chance to show what he can do.
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