Freddie Falcon agrees it's high time we get a Wylie E. to Michigan [don't remember who on our Scriptor staff took this. Brett Mountain perhaps?]

Wednesday Recruiting Puts Water in the Harbor Comment Count

Seth February 17th, 2021 at 3:00 PM

We’re catching up on the shape of 2022 recruiting, which has morphed some since the staff shakeup this offseason. I covered defense last week but there have been some significant moves on the offense too.

Summary:

QB: New board, best two options are a couple of Midwest 3-stars Cincy and Iowa were after.
RB: Hart is going to gun for some 5-stars.
WR: Bellamy’s added some long and tall prospects (one an ATH from Groves) to the longtime pursuits of Gattis-beloved targets Brown/Morris.
TE: Klein solid, the other GA prospect is now a 4-star with SEC suitors, other-other GA prospect recently decommitted from PSU.
OL: The commit may move up the rankings, one impending commit is gonna hold off to get to know Moore better, one impending commit already does, and a number of Sherrone’s top targets have replaced guys who liked Warinner.

Most Likely Warinner OL to Stick

CO 4* commit Connor Jones hasn’t wavered with Sherrone Moore taking over as position coach, and Brice Marich got us some recent scouting from Jones’s coach:

“…a point of improvement was his footwork in pass-pro. It really got better and moving lateral with quickness. He’s violent with his hands and all those things really improved significantly during last off-season through the end of the 2020 season. He’s always been a very physical run blocker and always been very demanding of himself. He punishes people and finishes blocks, but that’s how he’s always been. I think his lateral speed, quickness and violent hands in pass-pro have really gotten better.”

Colorado doesn’t have any naturally large bodies of water, so that coach can be forgiven for mangling a maritime Keynesian economics metaphor

“He’s a guy that puts water in the harbor.”

…to say Jones is a great teammate. But he also reports Jones is up to 6-7/290, so it could also mean the kid literally lifts all boats.

We thought we’d have a second guy from the state in the class, as CO 3* Braden Miller, Reece Atteberry’s teammate and SixZero Academy partner($), was really close to committing our people tell us (and EJ’s people tell him($)). Clearly the Warinner divorce held off Miller’s announcement, which is great news for those of us who were procrastinating on that Hello post.

MN 4* Lucas Heyer is a top priority for a lot of Big Ten schools. Warinner was in early($) thanks to his Minnesota connections, but it waits to be seen if Michigan surrendered their slim lead there when they surrendered Ed. We may not have to wait long; 247’s Brice Marich put in a Crystal Ball to Michigan this week($).

[After THE JUMP: lock up yo five-stars]

Moore Unleashed

Everybody else on the list now is the kind of national prospect Warinner might have not thought worth the effort, but ace recruiter Sherrone Moore isn’t giving up on. Rivals has a Blue Chips up on four of these Moore-shots($), and 247 has moved a number of Moore favorites($) into the Top Target designation.

One of the targets from the old board who’s probably more of a priority to Moore (ha!) is KY 4* Grant Bingham, who’s expected to save a visit for Michigan, but will be a tough battle with Notre Dame.

One guy we’re dumping max points into now is IN 4.5* OT Kiyaunta Goodwin, who was supposed to be a Bama-OSU-Clemson battle since he was a kid, and might be again via the 247 crew on their podcast:

Fascinating kid who was like a big-time prospect when he was in eighth grade, and then was in really bad shape, but has worked his way back. Now, (he's) just on the cusp of being a top 100 prospect (…) So, kind of a guy that was not a priority when Ed Warinner was manning the offensive line. I don't feel like there was much contact there. If there was, it was lost on us. Now, the flip side is it looks like Ohio State will probably be the biggest competition there.

There’s been no movement noted about that push, and Michigan actually winning a head-to-head with OSU for Goodwin would be about as surprising as the victory on the field Michigan would have secured last year.

Another Ohioan Moore’s focusing on is top-150 OT Aamil Wagner, who’s had Notre Dame, Stanford, and Kentucky as his top three($) for some time. Holland says Wagner’s a “Tier 1” guy for Moore, and that Michigan will get a visit($).

Via the same link, Moore is also gunning for WI 4* T Joe Brunner, a top-100 OL from Wisconsin who likes Wisconsin, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, so at least we’ve got goals. To that 247 will add WI 4.5* G Carson Hinzman—the Badgers 247 guy hasn’t moved his crystal ball but acknowledges the fight($):

Michigan, Notre Dame, Iowa, and others are making a strong charge for the four-star offensive guard. Hinzman also has a national offer list with the likes of Alabama, Auburn, Oregon, LSU, Miami (FL), and Penn State all on him as well. In the end, I think Hinzman stays in the Midwest, although I do think he needs to take a handful of visits still, potentially even officials. His heart is with the Badgers. It was his dream school growing up. UW just doesn't miss on those kids when push comes to shove.

The author hasn’t put in a ball for Brunner, FWIW, but he’s got a point that the Badgers were in on these guys way earlier even if the industry has finally learned to rank them correctly.

Moore also wants to get back into the recruitment of CA 4.5* T Earnest Greene, who visited Michigan awhile ago but has since become a national prospect looking at Alabama.

Ditto the very large WA 4* G/T Malik Agbo, whom Lorenz says has “legitimate interest”($) in Michigan. And we’re not done, since Moore is back after GA 4.5* Addison Nichols. It seems Nichols is a Plan B for Ohio State and was a Plan A for Tennessee until the Vols put themselves out of everyone’s plans. Clemson’s jumping in now too($) but Moore’s early connections could pay off.

Receiver Board Gets Bellamy’d

Gattis has been laser focused on top-100 IL WRs Tyler Morris and Kaleb Brown since Josh got here, but since we’re apparently the new player in the Volunteer State, we might as well go for TN 4* WR Barion Brown out of Nashville. Alabama and everybody is after the extremely athletic speedster, who’s #7 in the state, but hey, when you’ve already got #6 and #9 and are coming hard for #1, #4, #5, and #16, might as well take your shot.

While Gattis is after his 40 times (which I love, make no mistake), Ron Bellamy has turned around the Wolverines’ chances with a few targets who’ll remind you more of the guys from his era. The very big (and I mean BIG) guy on their board is OR 4* Darrius Clemons, a former Michigander who’s all of 6-4/210 and besties with Andrel Anthony:

"Probably about once every week or once every other week he'll text me and say that I'm gonna be a Wolverine. (laughter)."

Nobody’s coming for the outside prospect harder than Michigan, says Sam, and Rivals agrees Bellamy changes the equation($). PSU seems to have fallen by the wayside with Tim Banks’s departure to Tennessee.

4* Tay’shawn Trent, the top receiver in-state, picked up some MSU crystal balls, but also said he doesn’t plan to commit until Signing Day($) next December. State is making Trent their #1 priority, but EJ Holland says Ron Bellamy loves Trent, and has picked up communication again considerably($), meaning there’s a good shot Mel is left empty-handed yet again. Lorenz said on their podcast that Trent is underrated.

Michigan’s also still talking to WYLIE E GROVES….

… 3* ATH Jaden Mangham about receiver, or more specifically, Ron Bellamy is($). I’m sure I don’t have to stress the importance of taking a guy from my alma mater, not just because a Falcon is infinitely more likely to be recruited to write for the Daily than for something the Daily writes about, but because Michigan State can’t have nice things. Mel Tucker failed to re-recruit Mangham’s older brother($), who played for Tucker in Colorado but chose USF instead.

Michigan also offered a few sleepers from Mo Linguist country. AR 3* Isaiah Sategna, who’s in nobody territory now but has been gathering 4-star interest. It sounds like he’ll be a tough pull from Arkansas, where his dad’s the track coach($). Also at that link, TX 3* DJ Allen is picking up offers from the Big XII newbloods, is a track star who plays baseball.

As for their A and A targets, Michigan still looks good for Morris, but Ohio State really wants Kaleb Brown($) and Lorenz has moved his Crystal Ball confidence level from a 6 to a 2($). Gattis seems to have a very good shot to land all of these guys so it might be a which one scenario.

Tight Ends We Saw First

Michigan has their annual underrated guy they scouted first committed in GA 3* Marlin Klein but really wants to land the big fish that’s eluded them the last few years, and bring in two guys at least regardless. The other GA 3* they saw first, Oscar Delp, has now blown up the rankings—he’s top-250 now on the composite—and that’s changed the shape of his recruitment from Guy Michigan Found to a head-to-head battle with Georgia. Even with Jay Harbaugh joining Moore, Lorenz put in a Georgia crystal ball($) of medium confidence that’s echoed by follows-the-money national recruiter Steve Wiltfong. On the other hand Holland says it means a lot to Delp that Michigan was his first offer($), so we’re not out of this.

Even if that door’s closing, Michigan’s tight end scouting in the Peach State also got them in first for Holden Staes, who’s ranked higher than Delp now and recently decommitted from Penn State. Michigan will check in($) but this was a move initiated by Penn State dropping his position coach, not an imminent flip. Texas and Notre Dame are trying to move in.

Meanwhile Jay Harbaugh’s been talking to as-yet unranked Jason Llewellyn of Texas. Lorenz thinks Llewellyn’s going to be a national recruit($) but is also responsible for Llewellyn’s lone crystal ball, which is pointed at the local Longhorns.

Running Back

Michigan seems to be approaching this year like a luxury class since they got their top two targets in the last one. Rivals interviewed David Underwood about Mike Hart, in which we learn Hart has been coaching RBs at Michigan before:

He's a person that asks a lot of questions. He's a sponge. He's cerebral. He's an intellectual. He studied a lot of film. Mike and I had the opportunity to do a football camp together out in Winchester, Virginia. It was in the hometown of Tennessee all-time great Kelly Washington. Mike and I did the running backs together along with a few other guys like Quincy Wilson. Us three had a really good time with those kids. I think Mike was a junior. The way he was teaching those guys and having fun stood out. I took a couple of steps back and watched him coach for about five minutes. I said 'this man is going to be an excellent coach once he gets done playing football if he wants to get in the coaching ranks

The three moonshots are, in order, CO 5* Gavin Sawchuk, an Oklahoma lean Michigan’s been after from the start, VA 4.5* George Pettaway, whom Wiltfong balled to North Carolina last Christmas, and NC 4.5* Omarion Hampton, who would be one of those Penn State battles. My guess is barring a 2021 implosion from the afore mentioned favorites Michigan is likely to place no higher than second for all three. I also think they’ll turn up a guy or two later in the cycle, since Hart is one of the few coaches in the country you could claim is better at RB evaluations than Jay Harbaugh, who’s been masterful.

Quarterback

You like to start a cycle with a QB, but the JJ McCarthy shadow effect has suppressed their chances to top the next class with a similar kind of guy, and dropping QB coach Ben McDaniels has shifted priorities. They may finally be honing in on the possibilities. 247 just moved IN pro-style 3* Tayven Jackson to “top target” status, noting Jackson was their first offer post-McDaniels. Iowa was feeling good before but it seems Jackson, as well as recent Michigan offer OH pro-style 3* Drew Allar, are being priced out of their range according to 247’s Iowa outlet’s latest “Things I Think” piece:

Iowa has offered three quarterbacks in this class: Tayven Jackson, Drew Allar, and Steve Angeli. As of today, I don't think Iowa has offered the quarterback that it will end up with in the 2022 class.

Angeli is expected to commit to Notre Dame soon but Medina’s Allar is picking up interest from South Carolina, Washington, Penn State, and Texas A&M in addition to Michigan—previously he was looking at Cincy and MAC schools. TX 4* Cade Klubnik got an offer too, though I haven’t been able to suss out his reciprocal interest. FWIW his name means “Little Clubber” (like a golf club) in Yiddish. The last of the recent offerees is dual-threat CA 3* Nate Johnson who fits the profile of the kids Harbaugh used to go after for his second QB at Stanford.

Quickly, 2023s

FL WR Jalen Brown is really really fast so he’s got a Gattis offer. TX CB Jamel Johnson is a big fast cornerback so he’s got a Linguist offer. TX CB Deldrick Madison is an athletic fast cornerback so he’s got a Linguist offer. FL OT Payton Kirkland received an offer, has already been talking to Ohio State, is not a ready-to-play OT product from Costco($) but could be. Michigan makes a top-14 for PA S Rahmir Stewart. Holland caught a private workout for TX CB target Braxton Myers, who’s a guy mentioned often in the context of guys Linguist puts us in the running for. We offered Lloyd Carr’s grandson C.J. at quarterback for 2024, yes, but also Detroit MLK’s 4* Dante Moore for 2023, and West Bloomfield OL Amir Herring, and Cass Tech DL Jalen Thompson, and Clarkston OL Cole Dellinger (Garret’s little brother), and a couple of West Bloomfield 2024s but you can’t make me write about 2024s. NOPE CAN’T MAKE ME($).

Comments

Da Fino

February 17th, 2021 at 3:19 PM ^

"The JJ McCarthy shadow effect has suppressed their chances to top the next class with a similar kind of guy."

Is this real or imagined?  Other schools seem to reload with top QB talent year after year (and we see that coming in handy when the starter goes down and the backup comes in to do as good if not better job), while, as we've complained about ad nauseum on these boards, we continually struggle with QB depth.  Is the "shadow effect" a specious concept that is created to gloss over Michigan's middling recruiting at the position?  I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it might be. 

The logic does seem fairly faulty: We did such a good job bringing in McCarthy, it's actually depressed our ability to attract top talent in later classes because those younger recruits don't want to be in his shadow or believe they can compete at his level.  Does anyone really buy that argument (which may be a strawman so please correct me if I'm misrepresenting)?  Actually, on second though, I think I talked myself into it.  I guess I am suggesting that the concept is BS.  No physical harm intended.

Ron Burgundy

February 17th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

I could see it, since we've frankly sucked and not had NFL-level QB play for awhile. It's easy for a top kid to get that Bama or Oklahoma offer, see guys with eligibility leave early for the draft, and say "sure, i'll go in, fight it out in practice, get great coaching, and hopefully get my shot. Worst case scenario, i'll just transfer after a few years to a school with an open QB room."

For a top QB going to Michigan, i think the calculus is changed a little bit. For McCarthy, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like: "the room is open. I'm the golden boy, the coaches will need me to succeed. All goes well I can probably start my first, maybe second, year and I will get a ton of exposure being at Michigan." The guys following that up are probably like: "i'll just end up the next Dylan McCaffery"

Seth

February 17th, 2021 at 4:06 PM ^

I mean it's just another way of saying top recruits pay attention to depth charts. Consider that Michigan's a top-ten recruiting school but not on the level of OSU/Bama/Georgia, and one of the reasons McCarthy was interested in Michigan was the roster looked surmountable for him. Those kinds of QBs are often committed early and anchor their classes. If you're a 2022 top-three QB and JJ McCarthy looks like a can't-miss guy in the class ahead of you, and he's already locked onto Michigan, Michigan's probably not your early focus.

We can look at Michigan's 5-star recruiting history for help here:

1996: 5* Jason Kapsner

  • Situation he committed to: Both Brian Griese and Scott Dreisbach looked beatable, and RS Fr 3* Tom Brady was the only underclassman.
  • 1997 Shadow: Michigan took no QB in the 1997 class
  • 1998 Shadow: n/a, Kapsner's injury cleared the decks.

1998: Drew Henson

  • Situation: Griese just led Michigan to championship, Kapsner and Brady were both injured in 1997, Kap permanently. Dreisbach was meh as a starter in '96 and had one year of eligibility left.
  • 1999 Shadow: Michigan gets 3* John Navarre, whom Wisconsin wanted as a tight end only, and reaches for 3-star Andy Mignery, both late in the cycle.
  • 2000 Shadow: Their top QBs go off the board early, Michigan settles for ATH Jermaine Gonzalez and gets SDSU's Spencer Brinton to transfer after a 2-year Mormon mission.

2004: Chad Henne

  • Situation: A string of QBs in the NFL, Tom Brady blowing up, but in Ann Arbor John Navarre is the best they have and he graduates after '03. Heir apparent is 2002 4* Matt Gutierrez, and 2003 4* Clayton Richard, who's likely to flip to baseball if he doesn't win the job in 2004.
  • 2005 Shadow: Nobody wants to wait 3 years for Henne to move through. Michigan reaches for 3* Jason Forcier.
  • 2006 Shadow: Michigan can only recruit David Cone, even missing out on lifelong local Michigan fan Steven Threet. Antonio Bass commits as a WR.

2007: Ryan Mallett

  • Situation: Henne clears out after 2007 and there's nobody else on the depth chart who sniffed a fourth star.
  • 2008 Shadow: Coaching change obscures it but until Rich Rod was hired Michigan only had John Wienke committed for 2008, and Threet transferring in.
  • 2009 Shadow: n/a

2013: Shane Morris

  • Situation: Morris was a 5-star until he dropped late in the process. Brady Hoke was transitioning to a pro-style offense, with Denard Robinson out of eligibility in 2012 and Devin Gardner supposedly done after 2013, Russ Bellomy only QB on the roster after that, and no QB committed yet for 2012 so decks are completely clear.
  • 2014 Shadow: Morris was committed for so long that Michigan didn't take a QB in 2012(!) despite only getting Bellomy in the late 2011 transition. This did not come back to bite them at all. They got 3* Wilton Speight.
  • 2015 Shadow: 3* Alex Malzone was the QB in the class until the coaching change, when Harbaugh added Gentry and Rudock late.

Discussion

In that short history, the only five-star who thought he was walking into a situation where he wasn't the favorite to start for 3 years+ was Henne, the guy who started his first game as a freshman and continued to start for the next 4 years. Also that recruitment went way longer and turned when Clayton Richard was looking more and more like he was leaving for baseball. Henne was 2nd on the depth chart in fall practice and started the first game because his only competition, who was two years older, got injured. Every other QB situation a 5-star walked into was an easier depth chart climb than that.

On the flipside, the quarterbacks Michigan signed in years after they got a consensus 5-star: [nobody], Navarre & Mignery, Jason Forcier, John Wienke, Wilton Speight. Guys they signed 2 years after they got a 5-star when that guy was still on the roster: Jermaine Gonzalez, Spencer Brinton (transfer), David Cone, Steven Threet (transfer), Alex Malzone.

MGoStrength

February 18th, 2021 at 8:22 AM ^

If you're a 2022 top-three QB and JJ McCarthy looks like a can't-miss guy in the class ahead of you, and he's already locked onto Michigan, Michigan's probably not your early focus.

I know UM has a history of an elite QB in every other class.  But, I'm wondering if you feel this is unique to UM?  Our bench mark is always OSU.  Here's their QB history the past few cycles.

  • 2022 - Quinn Ewers: 5-star, #1 QB, #1 overall
  • 2021 - Kyle McCord: 5-star, #3 Pro style QB, #27 overall
  • 2020 - CJ Stroud: 4-star, #2 Pro style QB, #42 overall
  • 2019 - A bit different this year as they didn't sign one, but landed Fields as a transfer 5-star, #1 Dual threat, #2 overall
  • 2018 - Matthew Baldwin: 4-star, #12 Pro style QB, #331 overall
  • 2017 - Tate Martell: 4-star, #2 Dual threat QB, #56 overall
  • 2016 - Dwayne Haskins: 4-star, #7 Pro style QB, #91 overall

So, that's 6 out of 7 years they've signed a top 100 player at QB, although one they acquired from the transfer portal rather than signed with the rest of the class.  So, clearly having a top QB in the class ahead of them isn't stopping those guys from signing with OSU.  Even if we look past the whole Burrows/Haskins and Martell//Fields drama McCord has Stroud ahead of him and Ewers has McCord ahead of him.  They still signed.  So, the question then become is it really about the guy ahead of you or the state of the program or some combination of the two?  I'm leaning towards the latter.

Da Fino

February 18th, 2021 at 9:01 AM ^

Thanks for the explanation Seth.  So, using this analysis, maybe we should ease up on recruiting five stars and take the trade off between prospective talent and longevity for more consistency and depth?  In any case, it's not like we've had a high success rate with those five stars.  Henne hit, Henson had a decent junior year, Mallett was fine.... at Arkansas.

GoBlue1530

February 18th, 2021 at 11:20 AM ^

To add to this, there were 36 QBs in the top 247 for the class of 2020 and 2021. There were nine schools that signed two kids in the top 247, and two were USC and Texas who managed to sign two in the same class in 2021 because they got nobody of note in 2020. 

The seven that signed back to back top 247 QBs are Clemson, OSU, Tennessee, Washington, Georgia, Bama, and Texas A&M. Of which, maybe like two of these are surprises. 

Georgia and Washington both signed kids significantly better than the kids they got in 2020 according to 247. Even a place like Oklahoma in 2020 who has been pumping out QBs could only get a 3 star in their class because of Spencer Rattler the year prior, and now the kid is in the portal. Same thing happened this last class with Clemson who has had a fantastic string of QBs, they signed DJ in 2020 so this year they took Bubba Chandler who is a nice four star but has over 15 kids ranked higher at QB in his class. 

I guess all this to say, while possible to sign back to back elite kids at QB, I agree it seems unlikely even if you're a top team because chances are the last class you got one of the very very best. 

CFraser

February 18th, 2021 at 1:05 AM ^

I think kids look more at NFL draft picks from a school and it’s been > 15 years since UM has produced anyone of note; and he (Henne) is a perennial backup. Bama, Clemson, OSU...all have regular draft picks at QB - so recruits take their chances with a loaded roster. 

AC1997

February 17th, 2021 at 4:28 PM ^

I'm excited to go after high profile OL and RB.  However, the summary does capture the risk of doing so where we don't look like the top contender with just about anyone.  The key is to go hard after those guys but make sure you have others you're working on as well.  Juwan is doing a great job of this right now with basketball.  

Seth

February 17th, 2021 at 5:12 PM ^

There are a few guys worth the effort but I generally feel you can find very good OL and RBs without a lot of stars, and that Michigan was faring well at this.

The spots where I agree Michigan needs to have crack recruiters going after the 5-stars every cycle are:

  • Cornerback, and to a lesser degree safety
  • Nose tackle
  • Quarterback
  • In-state, because you'll be judged on this and the relationships matter a lot with regard to getting in on the next big-time guys who come through.
  • Fast Receivers (not necessarily by recruiting rankings)
  • Rush DE if you're going to be running a 4-3

Linebacker requires so many disparate skills it's often better to pick a system and recruit to it than go all-out for guys who seem to be good at 4 things.

Offensive line is more about evaluation than recruiting rankings, because those favor big guys who sit on little high schoolers, while feet and intelligence and length are what matter most.

DE/DTs are developed as much as they're recruited, and doing well at DE and NT will get you some players here.

TE is another spot where the scouting seems to matter the most. The guys you scout will blow up eventually but getting in early when they don't have a lot of other schools can usually net you some impact guys.

MGoStrength

February 18th, 2021 at 8:29 AM ^

The spots where I agree Michigan needs to have crack recruiters going after the 5-stars every cycle are:

  • Cornerback, and to a lesser degree safety
  • Nose tackle
  • Quarterback
  • In-state, because you'll be judged on this and the relationships matter a lot with regard to getting in on the next big-time guys who come through.
  • Fast Receivers (not necessarily by recruiting rankings)
  • Rush DE if you're going to be running a 4-3

So DEs like the Bosa bros, Young, & Harrison?  CBs like Okaduh, Wade, etc?  DTs like Garrett, Vincent, & Togai?  QBs like Haskins, Fields, & Stroud?  And, WRs like Wilson, Flemming, & Smith-Njigba?  Why don't we literally just copy what OSU does???

AC1997

February 18th, 2021 at 8:48 AM ^

I tend to agree that some positions matter more for stars than others - especially QB and CB.  I tend to think DT also.  

For the rest I think you just have to recruit both quality and quantity.  If we're lucky enough to get a 5-star OL he's not going to be scared off if we also have two 3.5-star guys in the class and there's a solid chance they all work out equally.

so bored at work

February 17th, 2021 at 6:02 PM ^

Seth, now that the precedent has been set, please provide Yiddish translations for all recruit names where relevant moving forward. 

Also, I interviewed Phil Simms for my HS’s cable access shown when Chris played us in basketball and asked (off camera) if Chris was considering Michigan. Per Phil, there was a promise to Henson we wouldn’t recruit a QB the following year. Not sure if this is common knowledge or a negative recruiting lie, but wanted to share my semi-relevant cool-story-bro.

(I’m not responding to the 5-star QB comment because two comments in one post would kill my lurker cred)

rhamada

February 17th, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^

I love the aggressive recruiting philosophy.  Hiring young, relatable and aggressive coaches is a great way to close the gap between Michigan and the elite programs.  I don't think we will ever get to the elite (Bama, OSU or Clemson) level due to our academic requirements and lack of the bagman ideology but certainly get to the point where can achieve Georgia results.  I'd be perfectly happy with 11-2 every year with a chance at the Rose Bowl or CFP.  As we go more aggressively after elite level players we need to have depth at all positions.  Going after 3 and 4 star kids in the Midwest and around the country that love Michigan is a great way to build solid program wide depth.  Those kids have a lesser tendency to transfer.  Plus, recruit Ohio more often.  Some of the greatest Michigan players came from Ohio.  

MGoStrength

February 18th, 2021 at 7:28 AM ^

Hopefully the new staff does a little better planning the recruiting board and keeping track of and IDing who they want, keeping enough guys at each position so there are no holes like we have now at DT and CB, and simply putting in enough time and energy to get the guys they want.  We know they are young and personable enough to be good recruiters.  We've already seen Mo & Nua doing work.  And, we know Hart & Bellomy have the cache to make a difference.  Hopefully we can see more classes like the 2017 one, but with much better retention & development.  Eventually we need our top recruits to be our best players.  Looking over the last several classes our top 100 recruits have been Gary, Bredeson, Peters, Long, Asiasi, Onwenu, DPJ, Solomon, Ruiz, Vilain, Singleton, Thomas, Hill, Hinton, & Charbonnet.  A good chunk of them either underachieved or transferred.  We need these guys to develop into our most productive players at a higher rate.

1VaBlue1

February 18th, 2021 at 8:29 AM ^

"Looking over the last several classes our top 100 recruits have been ... A good chunk of them either underachieved or transferred.  We need these guys to develop into our most productive players at a higher rate."

That's a long list of 'underachieving' players across many positions that spans the entire tenure of the Harbaugh regime.  It doesn't lend a lot of confidence in player development.  But to be fair, not all of their performances were due to development issues (as it were).  Injuries and just plain shitty luck also played a part for some of them.

MGoStrength

February 18th, 2021 at 5:17 PM ^

It doesn't lend a lot of confidence in player development. 

This is unfortunately a reality of JH's tenure here :/

But to be fair, not all of their performances were due to development issues (as it were).  Injuries and just plain shitty luck also played a part for some of them.

Agreed, but I've often thought many of the top 100 types UM gets outside the state of MI are a bit odd.  We hired Gary's mom.  He hired Peppers HS coach.  Vilain had injury issues prior to UM.  Peters had the "quiet personality" that scared off some other suiters.  Asiasi didn't stick around.  Walker was way overrated.  Solomon was drama from the jump.  There are just too many oddities in these top guys.  They are not your typical top 100 recruit situation.  I just question if UM has the cache to get top 100 guys outside of MI without it being a unique situation that gives UM an edge like a legacy, hiring someone from their background, or the player turning out way overrated.