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Brian February 15th, 2023 at 11:43 AM

Phonebooks (not that phonebook) are here. Bill Connelly has released his preseason rankings for 2023. Michigan's up there, as you might imagine:

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Penn State? I guess Penn State. Drew uber Alles, per SP+. Notable that there is a pretty big gulf between #4 and #5 there, and and even bigger gulf between Penn State and the rest of the Big Ten. The next-best B10 team is Wisconsin at #25, followed by Iowa at 27 and Minnesota at 30. MSU is at 47.

One reason Michigan ranks so high is that they're 5th in returning production and that may undersell it a bit because Connelly's offensive formula has returning RB yards as just 6% of the total. I think that's generally reasonable since RBs are fairly plug and play these days but probably underrates the impact getting Donovan Edwards and Blake Corum back has for M. Let's read a nice thing:

Michigan (third in SP+ in 2022, fifth in returning production in 2023)
When FSU has a chance to be the story, FSU is the story. That's the way these things tend to work. But it's pretty jarring to see a team that made the CFP one year also rank in the top five in returning production the next.

The Wolverines are projected to return quarterback J.J. McCarthy, running back and Heisman hopeful Blake Corum and nine of their 12 defenders with 400-plus snaps. Plus, Jim Harbaugh made deft use of the portal, adding reinforcements to both the linebacking corps and an already-awesome offensive line. Both Ohio State and Penn State enter 2023 with hopes of preventing a third straight Big Ten title for Michigan, but they'll have to clear a really high bar.

Yeah. Clear our bar, please. FWIW, Connelly has Michigan at 50/50 to finish 11-1 or better, which means they're about 80-90% to enter the OSU game as a virtual playoff quarterfinal, give or take the backdoor route.

[After THE JUMP: Aussie gonna Aussie.]

Australia: still Australia 100 years ago. This man comes from a land down under and then pretends to be six feet under so that no one will know he played for Notre Dame:

Also the Kirkville Osteopaths.

Would you like nutrition fun facts? Or would you like to know that Cornelius Johnson is suspicious of lemons? I have the tweets for you.

I go to the Busch's on South Main that is near where a lot of the athletes live and so is frequently populated with people in head-to-toe M gear and sandals. I eagerly anticipate the day I walk in and Cornelius Johnson is owlishly glaring at the lemons.

A reason. We've noted that Michigan strenuously avoids offering up jump balls to their receivers, and this may be the reason why:

Some of that is just variance when your sample size is 18, but if you moaned "help him out" at some point last year the numbers back that up.

Lawyers love the NCAA. People are getting paid. Not players, but people. The latest lawsuit seeks to change that:

Wednesday's hearing in front of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit in Philadelphia is the next step in the Johnson v. NCAA case, in which several former college athletes argue they should have been paid an hourly wage like other student workers on their campuses. The NCAA contends that its business is unique and that the normal rules that determine whether someone fits the definition of an employee don't make sense for college athletes. The appellate judges will eventually decide whether the standard tests for employee status should be applied to college athletes and their schools.

"This particular case is flying under the radar compared to some of the others we hear about much more frequently, but it's important," said Sarah Wake, who advises universities on athletic compliance issues in her role as an attorney at McGuireWoods.

The NCAA has won these cases in the past but the Supreme Court decision in Alston has people thinking that the doors have opened up for a challenge like this to succeed at some point.

What is the point of anything, scouting edition. Fascinating Athletic article on scouting in soccer and whether it, you know, works in any way whatsoever:

Based on the studies of hiring managers, Bergkamp believed that giving scouts a structured scorecard like the one described above would make their player assessments more reliable than scouts who used a holistic, intuitive method. Working with a team of researchers from the University of Groningen in his homeland, Bergkamp recruited about a hundred scouts and coaches affiliated with the Dutch Football Association and professional clubs to participate in a study that, he hoped, would point to a better way to scout.

The professional raters were asked to imagine they were trying to find a young full-back for a mid-table club in the Eredivisie (Dutch football’s top division). They would watch half an hour of Wyscout clips of one random player from a pool of 25, rate his performances and make a prediction about how he would develop.

Some of the raters were simply asked to grade the player’s overall performance in the clips they watched on a seven-point scale. Others were given a list of eight tasks relevant to the full-back position, such as whether the player was “available to stop the counter, apply pressure, and retain compactness” during defensive transitions. Raters in this structured group graded the player on each task, then gave their overall score just like the unstructured group.

When his team analyzed the scores, Bergkamp was taken aback by what they showed. “‘Surprising’ is the word, I would say,” he said, when asked to describe the results.

Raters who gave only an overall score could barely agree with one another on how well a player had performed, as the researchers might have expected. But the grades from the group that used a carefully designed scorecard disagreed even more. Even if you ignored the second group’s overall ratings and averaged their eight specific task scores together instead, there was little consensus among the scouts on what they had seen.

Anyone who has ventured onto a soccer message board in the aftermath of the game to find it filled with asburd takes that defy all reason can relate. Football, basketball, usually hockey: these games generally resolve into some sort of consensus. There are disagreements, naturally, but you can say something like "Jett Howard is good offensively but poor defensively" and you will not find a legion of people who swear to the blood god that the exact opposite is true. Try espousing any opinion about the USMNT in the aftermath of the World Cup and you will be beset with those legions.

This is what happens when there is a sport where the commonly accepted statistics are so rudimentary that many players on the field simply have none. It's like if everyone except one guy was an OL.

Steve Holtz's story. Paula Weston on the incredibly scary Steve Holtz situation:

“He said that all of a sudden it stopped, and then he opened the door, and I was sitting, having a seizure.”

The housemates called 9-1-1. The police arrived and asked if there was any chance of drug use. (There wasn’t.) Could someone have been in the house with Holtz, they wanted to know. (Other than his girlfriend Emma, very unlikely.) Could this be a suicide attempt? (No.)

An ambulance took Holtz to the University of Michigan hospital, where he was admitted to the ICU. “They think that I had another seizure in the ambulance as well,” said Holtz. “I had two seizures that they know of. They think I could have been having seizures all day that day because of my condition when they found me.”

Soon after being admitted to ICU, Holtz was intubated and put in a medically induced coma. “I’m not sure of the duration,” said Holtz. “A couple of days.”

For him to return to the ice and immediately get booted out of a game with 22 penalty minutes is an inspiration to shit-talkers everywhere. Also it emphasizes the crazy amount of adversity this hockey team has endured to get where it is today.

On Naurato. He's profiled by Ryan Zuke at MLive; got a little Harbaugh in him:

During a practice last month, a small group of players had remained on the ice afterward to play rebound, a popular game many teams play after practices which pits a goalie against the players. A player will line up at the hash marks while 5-7 others will surround the goalie. The objective is for the shooter to score or at least shoot to create a rebound that one of the other players can put in the net before the goalie either covers the puck or deflects it away.

Naurato joined the group and scored on his first two shots, prompting cheers and stick taps from players. While most head coaches will leave the ice right after practice to begin preparations for upcoming games, Naurato views the extra time as another opportunity to bond with players.

“I don’t know if there’s a head coach at the junior, college or pro level that stays on the ice and plays games with the guys,” he said. “I love doing it. I want to stay and mess around and act like I’m a player or a kid, but more importantly, it’s time spent with them.”

Still no movement on the interim tag, but supposedly after the regular season he'll be re-evaluated.

Etc.: Michigan is building big dorms again. Hockey NIL collective. UM-Flint is losing enrollment rapidly. Details on why the Big Ten is sitting so pretty in Pairwise. PNR defense breaks down. ND can't cover a buyout to get a new OC.

Comments

PeteM

February 15th, 2023 at 12:05 PM ^

The Johnson case described above seems different to me than the issues regarding NIL and/or directly paying athletes in revenue sports. The linked article is a bit vague about what the plaintiffs are asking for, but if they mean college athletes generally that would obviously include gymnasts, rowers etc. in addition to football and basketball players. I'm not sure what the logical distinction is between a college student who spends 40 plus hours a week on crew and her friend who spends as much time on the school paper. Both are doing something they presumably love and that may benefit them in the future, but which is likely generating no revenue for school. 

WindyCityBlue

February 15th, 2023 at 3:16 PM ^

I'm not sure if that was part of my doing, but I remember when Dax Hill flipped to Alabama and there was some thought that maybe we could flip him back to Michigan.  There we a lot of doubtful people who said they would eat a lemon if Dax did in fact flip back to Michigan.  I had some good inside knowledge that he would likely do so, so I took receipts of everyone's post who said they would eat a lemon and posted it the day Dax flipped back to Michigan.  That was a glorious post.

bsand2053

February 15th, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^

I don’t have an Athletic subscription so I don’t know all the details but it seems bizarre to me that ND couldn’t scrape up enough for an OC buyout given all the NIL money they’ve been throwing around 

GoBlue96

February 15th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^

Surprised to see the defense ranked higher than the offense but that's splitting hairs.  I personally thing opponents will be more concerned about how to stop our offense.  

Have any books put out the win over/under yet?  I'm curious if they will really set it at 11.5.  Definitely won't get the 9.5 that I got last year.

1145SoFo

February 15th, 2023 at 12:25 PM ^

Ah ha, the source of Brian's tea leaves and 'gut feelings' for years is revealed. Looks like all you need is a hand basket and a few "Have you seen the prosciutto section?"s

njvictor

February 15th, 2023 at 1:39 PM ^

I wonder how much of it is the constant chatter on social media from some circles saying "college is pointless!" (which I strongly disagree with) and how much of it is that you can take online classes and get certifications for specific jobs or people realizing that being an electrician or plumber is a damn good job

DoubleB

February 15th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

The rapid rise in tuition costs versus the value of many degrees. What's a generic business degree from a non-brand name school worth? A job at Enterprise making $15/hour? I think kids and families are discovering better ways as you mention.

I'll also point out this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a demographic cliff about to hit in a few years as the Financial Crisis resulted in a "baby bust." Public regional schools are already starting to reorganize and I see a cascade of private liberal arts colleges that are surviving year to year closing.

 

alum96

February 15th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^

Start a trade job at age 19 at $22/hr or whatnot.  Company pays for all your certifications over next 2 years.  Move into a union job mid to late 20s with phat benefits, get hourly so OT pay.  Put in 55-65 hrs for a decade.  Have a 2nd home up north by early 30s.  Throw in a boat in 5 years after.  No debt to your name.  Vs $50-$100K+ debt for college even at a ho hum school... where many have no idea what they want to even focus on as a 19 year old.  Job could be eliminated by AI or someone in India for 14% of your wages.


The tradeoff for degree vs not is very different than the 80s or even 90s. 

goblu330

February 15th, 2023 at 2:06 PM ^

As a graduate of UM Flint and somebody with pretty substantial ties to the Flint area, it is a lot of factors combined.  First, the double-whammy of the water crisis and Covid combined to really sweep the legs out from under a Flint comeback.  Not more than 7-8 years ago, there were new restaurants opening at a breakneck pace along Saginaw Street in Flint, right downtown along with bookstores and even clothing stores.  It was really developing the feel of a real college town.  A lot of people moved out during the water crisis.  It was either move out or filter and boil your water for two years.  The water crisis transitioned to Covid, which completely demolished what was left of Flint Community Schools.  Only Southwestern remains open, and it is a dump.  A lot of the Academies are barely afloat and even there kids have just stopped going.  Not a huge portion, but a good portion of UM Flint students have been Flint kids who wanted something of a University experience without having to pay for the full University costs.  Flint is in serious trouble, and so are its students, so it is no surprise that UM-Flint is feeling the crunch.

The other issue is that UM-Flint was "affordable" enough without cost of living expenses that it has always attracted quite a few students who went there when the felt like they should be going to college but were not married to the idea.  A lot of such students would finish out their degree because they already had stakes in the game.  Now, that "college because nothing else to do" student is gone because the cost of college, UM Flint included, is too expensive for somebody to invest in education due to mere indecision.

SalvatoreQuattro

February 15th, 2023 at 2:17 PM ^

Firstly, College isn’t for everyone. It’s a long, often stressful process that frankly for a lot of people doesn’t lead to the kind of future people were promised when they were younger.

Secondly, some degree tracks are pointless. You don’t need a degree to be a writer or journalist. The skills those jobs require can be developed at an earlier age.

Thirdly, the hyper partisan atmosphere of our times has caused a  significant  rift between academia and much of the general population. There is a lot of animosity  between certain segments of the population and academics in the  Liberal Arts and Humanities fields.

Fourthly, with increase access to knowledge with Amazon, YouTube, and Google many people may think taking college courses are necessary. Just buy a book or watch a video. We live in an age conducive to being an autodidact/dilettante

Finally and most importantly a college education is expensive as hell. The cost-benefit  for some makes college undesirable.

We should also remember that even at the peak of college attendance a large  portion of Americans did not attend a school of  higher education.

L'Carpetron Do…

February 15th, 2023 at 5:31 PM ^

Quattro you are just a Bad Takes Factory working at full capacity this week. A real exhausting know-it-all. I agree that college isn't for everyone but this statement is just nonsense:

 Secondly, some degree tracks are pointless. You don’t need a degree to be a writer or journalist. The skills those jobs require can be developed at an earlier age.

This is an overly simplistic statement and I have NEVER heard anyone say this before. You don't need a degree to be a successful writer necessarily but it sure helps. I think it's foolish to say that you can do those jobs without a degree. Most writers spend years honing their craft and improving their writing and it helps to do that under the tutelage of knowledgeable professors. 

And journalism is a challenging profession that requires a lot of experience, skills development, critical thinking, specialized knowledge and adherence to strict ethics practices. You can't just walk into a newsroom and be handed a beat to cover. There's also a reason that some of our top reporters, journalists, newspeople, etc. come from our nation's top institutions of higher learning. In the old days a guy like Carl Bernstein, who essentially grew up in the newspaper business, could get to that position without a college degree but that's not really possible anymore. 

Also - just buy books off of Amazon and watch YouTube videos to educate yourself? Yeesh man. We already have a major problem in this country with people believing stuff that flat out isn't true. I don't think becoming an auto-didact in the age of misinformation is the greatest idea. In fact, maybe that's part of our problem. 

SalvatoreQuattro

February 15th, 2023 at 6:34 PM ^

In terms of bad takes no one surpasses you.

No, you don’t need a degree to be a journalist. You just don’t. I say that as someone who has a journalism degree. You don’t need it.

A journalist starts out at local papers regardless if they have a degree or not*. I never said that they instantly go to major papers. You inferred something that wasn’t there.

*Unless they went to a top tier J school like Northwestern, Columbia, or MSU. They typically end up at big papers.

Journalism requires writing ability and audacity. Audacity to ask questions of people in and out of power and even of yourself. Both of those are instilled at an younger age either through parents or as a response to a personal experience.

This idea that schools teach you critical thinking is not entirely correct. Once again, critical thinking like the above is instilled at an early age. Parental/caretaker  influence is gigantic in terms of development of the aforementioned skills. Universities can and do  hone them, but a person must be predisposed to thinking critical while possessing the writing ability and audacity to seek and reveal the truth as far as they can.

“Also - just buy books off of Amazon and watch YouTube videos to educate yourself? Yeesh man. We already have a major problem in this country with people believing stuff that flat out isn't true. I don't think becoming an auto-didact in the age of misinformation is the greatest idea. In fact, maybe that's part of our problem. ”


Unsurprisingly, you completely misinterpreted what I wrote. I said that this is what people do, not that what they SHOULD do.

Anyways, education is no guarantee of wisdom or even basic humanity. If you are as educated as you think you are you know this. 

It’s exhausting having to respond to  hostile people who willfully distort or misinterpret what one states because it offends their sensibilities in some way.

 

L'Carpetron Do…

February 15th, 2023 at 11:27 PM ^

I think you're really downplaying your own education, man. You may not need to be a journalism major specifically to be a journalist, but it sure helps to have a college degree. Journalism is a rare "learn by doing" profession but I wouldn't recommend trying it without a solid college education. Writing comes more naturally to some people, but that is not the case for everyone so I don't think those career tracks are "pointless". I'm a writer/researcher/investigator by trade (I'm actually out of work at the moment and it's driving me crazy) but I think that language, writing and other skills I developed at U of M really helped me in my career.

Unfortunately, journalism is a dying profession and small-town papers are rapidly disappearing so it's becoming harder for someone to go the old fashioned Carl Bernstein route. 

But, I seriously think you're underselling your own education. I mean, it takes a master's degree to even understand the news these days, much less cover it.  And that's why people without college degrees are at such a disadvantage. Many of them lack the critical thinking skills to process what they read/hear/see in the news so they fall victim to untrustworthy news outlets, political demagogues and various forms of online misinformation and disinformation. 

Heptarch

February 16th, 2023 at 8:20 PM ^

Unfortunately the world is also filled with fools who earnestly believe that watching a few YouTube videos curated by an algorithm to show them things they already agree with constitutes "educating themselves" and that their opinions are just as valid as well-informed ones. 

In other words... they lack the critical thinking skills they would've learned during the college education they scorn. 

Vote_Crisler_1937

February 15th, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^

Come to think of it. The only completely self-made billionaire I know fairly well has a journalism degree from a no-name state school. And he actually used many of the skills he learned in that program to build and market his company. Journalism has a lot to teach about distilling messages down to clear talking points and even building Arguments to support your position. 

SalvatoreQuattro

February 15th, 2023 at 6:40 PM ^

I didn’t say that people can’t do well financially going to J-school. I said that J-school is really pointless. The skills to be a journalist can be developed outside of a college setting.The Educational Industrial Complex tells us it is necessary because it needs students like the MIC needs wars.

People who go to Northwestern typically are upper class or have driven personalities that make personal success a damn near certainty. 
 

Most journalism grads never go beyond small or medium sized outlets. Most do not make much money. Journalism is really a job you have to be passionate about to able to do because you aren’t going to make much more or achieve much reknown.

lhglrkwg

February 15th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

I'm a little surprised people are so so high on OSU and Penn State right now. OSU I get more because they always seem to figure it out by Thanksgiving, but they've got the biggest question mark at QB they've had in a while. Penn State I understand less so. There's a lot of stock being put in Allar which seems to be mostly based off recruiting rankings because his on-field stuff was pretty meh from what I saw. They might be great, but I see it as no guarantee that he's an improvement over Clifford

NittanyFan

February 15th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^

I know that "PSU's offensive line sucks, and has sucked ever since Jeff Hartings left town 25+ years ago!" has become a meme .......... and that became a meme for good reasons.

But, as someone who watched PSU every week, I DO think the line was considerably better in 2022 versus previous years.

It wasn't elite, but it was considerably better.  Clifford, FWIW, was sacked 14 times in 2022, and that is in the context of him becoming considerably less mobile as he aged.  (Clifford ran the ball ~ 50% as often as he did back in 2019)

Olu Fashanu (8 games started, missed the last 5 due to injury) comes back in 2023 and he's well thought of at the next level.  Overall, the OL returns 43 of the 65 games started in 2022 (55 career starts returning).  That's a decently high percentage of experience returning.

Anyway, take this as a counterpoint - take it FWIW.  I may be wrong, but I don't personally view the OL as a clear & obvious red flag for PSU in 2023.

njvictor

February 15th, 2023 at 1:45 PM ^

Agreed, especially about PSU. Many PSU fans have tried comparing the Allar situation to JJ, but not only did JJ actually beat out Cade and not have the job handed to him, but JJ showed much more than Allar did his freshman year. We had specific packages for JJ that were either deep passes or a QB run, basically everyone knew what was coming, and mostly had success. While Allar came in during garbage time and was... fine

lunchboxthegoat

February 15th, 2023 at 3:02 PM ^

I think Ryan Day has earned the benefit of the doubt. He inherited JT Barrett and then has gone on a run that's put 3 straight QBs in the first round of the draft and every single year but 1 his QB was a finalist for the Heisman (that year the QB finished in the top 10). I'm sure Kyle McCord or Devin Brown are going to turn out just fine.

 

PSU is the biggest question mark to me. Sure, they return a lot and have some electric defenders and RBs but their OL is bad, Allar is a true soph and Franklin has yet to produce a high end QB. They'll probably be fine but it would not shock me to see them drop 3 or 4 games.

alum96

February 15th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^

You mean the Ohio State that has not lost more than 2 games since Fickell in 2011?  And only has five seasons of 2 losses since 2011? And brings in top 3 classes annually?

Yeah one wonders why they are ranked so high.  Let's go with Texas or Florida or someone. 

Re: PSU - who knows.  But the comment of "Allar has been meh so far" as a true freshman made me giggle. Cmon on now. How did JJ do vs Allar as freshmen?

Allar true freshman 33/60 58% 

JJ true freshman 34/59 58% 

Remember when we all said JJ was meh a year ago at this time? And UM had no right to be ranked as a top 5 team?