Ticket Watch Preferred Two Cokes Comment Count

Seth July 21st, 2021 at 3:52 PM

I’ve let this feature wither lately, both because we had a year with no tickets and because what Michigan’s been doing with the ticket market is wonkish, corrupt, and depressing.

What moved me to address it is I think the athletic department’s own short-sighted decisions are going to lead to a remarkably empty Michigan Stadium this year. When that happens, people who don’t bother to cover or think about systemic problems are going to start saying Michigan fans have lost interest in their team. The truth will be something more like “Michigan fans don’t want to pay NFL prices (i.e. $80/ticket) to get into a game versus NIU or Rutgers, and the school and its partners won’t let them in for less.”

In general I prefer to let for-profit entities do what they do within ethical, moral, and legal bounds. My interest is that I believe that certain predatory practices are going to be highly damaging to the long-term health of the program. Every empty seat is one fan who won’t make a connection with the program that day. They’re also visible to the players, the recruits who visit, and the media, who will weave them into simple narratives that are always a referendum on the coach.

Michigan can’t rid society of Great Man Theory (except its history department is doing just that), and the AD has contracts and budgetary responsibilities after a $65M shortfall last year that tie their hands far more than we like to acknowledge. And make no mistake: the coach bears responsibility for the low fortunes of his team last year, and the resulting low expectations are a primary driver of ticket interest.

But I also believe that even with a simmering pandemic, Michigan can make marginally the same amount of money if they make filling Michigan Stadium with Michigan fans a priority. The question—and I don’t know the answer—is whether their contractual obligations will allow the price of tickets to come down to the value of those tickets.

I also see a couple of factors coming together to accidentally shift an unheard of number of Michigan tickets to the secondary market, where Michigan’s official ticket partner’s predatory practices are set up to leave a majority of those tickets unused.

[After THE JUMP: wonky]

Digital Seats

Michigan first made a deal in 2011 under Dave Brandon to make StubHub the official secondary marketplace. The deal was extended in 2017. I am working on finding the details of their current arrangement—it’s not being withheld; I just haven’t had the time to pursue it yet.

The StubHub partnership was the start of the department moving into the secondary ticketing market. The purpose was not purely monopolistic. The unregulated emerging online ticket market had major security flaws: tickets could be listed simultaneously in multiple exchanges, and print-at-home tickets could be easily copied.

The only way to handle these was to make fans exchange tickets personally, or institute a universal ticket exchange. MGoBlog partnered for a time with TiqIQ because I thought their model of person-to-person interaction (through social media accounts) was the most honest way to accomplish this. The other way was for the school to partner with one exchange, and get a chunk of money for the rights, but subject their fans to predatory monopolistic practices.

Michigan Athletics announced in May that they’re going to a Mobile Ticketing system for all sports this year. In a vacuum this is a fine move. Mobile tickets are more secure; they actually change the bar codes against a central database so you can’t print multiple copies. And in theory they’re more transferable, since you can trade them from anywhere on the planet.

There are disadvantages however. They require the users to have working technology, not a wholly sure thing after a day of tailgating (and using your phone to check scores) with tens of thousands of other people on the ground in the vicinity. The transferability means ticket scalping can be industrialized and maximized by financial analysts with spreadsheets instead of on-the-ground pros with street knowledge of market reality. The latter are more likely to have criminal records, but the former are the real crooks.

If you trade commodities on the Chicago Exchange there are strict ethical rules and watchful regulators enforcing them. If you try to buy up 11 percent of hog belly futures on a dip, you’re instantly flagged and told to return them. Event tickets have no such oversight—an exchange can pay an entertainment entity for exclusive rights to trade their tickets. The only guardrails are what the market itself will bear, and what demands the entity made in its agreement.

Michigan’s mobile ticket secondary sales go through an intermediary, StubHub, which a) has total control over your tickets until the moment you’re at the gate, and b) uses its position to gouge and manipulate the secondary ticket market to parasitically extract maximum value from its host.

The Right Price

All it takes is a little napkin math to figure out the formula. Since 2011, StubHub has been jacking that number up every year—it was 10% in 2014 and is now 32.6%, plus a $2.50 “fulfillment fee” per ticket. If you think it’s a bit ridiculous that an enterprise whose overhead is a server and security gets to tax every exchange by a third, buddy, you’re forgetting they charge the seller 15% as well.

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These are my usual seats—Section 18, Row 71. You can manually set your price as low as $6.00 but you have to know to click the purple box with the price per ticket—the slider stops you at $35, which is where the bulk of tickets are currently priced. If you were to buy my two season tickets for the Rutgers game for their recommended price, I would get $78.20, you would pay $126.98, and StubHub pockets $48.78—over 38% of the transaction.

(Actually it’s a little bit more because they sneak an extra $0.55 onto the price of tickets—the explanation for that is more convoluted and doesn’t always apply.)

This is a problem for Michigan because in order to fill its stadium, they need their fans to cover whatever StubHub’s Fanucci-like fingers reach for. And since it’s in StubHub’s interest to keep the market artificially inflated, most Michigan fans who would go to a reasonably priced game can’t find a reasonably priced ticket even when a third of the stadium is listed on the exchange.

What are Tickets Really Worth?

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[Barron]

My tickets say I paid $70 each for these so you’re getting them for less. In reality it’s very hard to figure out what I paid for them because Michigan sets the values based on the secondary ticket market, then hides those values by shifting the price of some tickets to others and tacking on fees.

There is a $160 fee to “join the interest list” which is really just your Preferred Seat Donation for 2 tickets at the lowest level, which they then pretend to “waive” for your first year. Slick. PSDs for the bowl go up to $660 per ticket, but what they’re really doing here is taking the cost of buying every ticket from the secondary market, subtracting a piece that they rebrand as a “PSD” to bring down the printed face values of the tickets, and then shifting some of the cost of the premier games. The get-me-in seats a month away from an Ohio State game go for about $250 each on the open market. My Ohio State ticket says $145 was its sticker price. The difference is in my PSD but also in my “$70” Rutgers ticket.

Using the same typical secondary market price, really the school is charging me $35 to include the Rutgers ticket in my package. The other half of the listed price is a mirage to hide the fact they’re pricing these packages for exactly what people would pay for them if they conservatively wanted to buy them on the secondary ticket exchange. That includes the same 80-percent retail surcharge as StubHub.

The Ohio State Ticket Package

You can see the math more clearly when you go to purchase the ticket packs. Here is the most popular sale going on right now:

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Let’s say Sue and Ben both want to take their spouses to every Michigan home game this year. Sue buys season tickets; Ben just goes on StubHub and buys literally the two cheapest tickets he can find on there today. What do they actually end up paying per seat?

Via PSL WMU Wash NIU Rutgers NWern Indiana Ohio St TOT
Michigan $80 $60 $145 $55 $70 $70 $70 $145 $695
StubHub $- $62 $170 $42 $62 $56 $61 $228 $679
Diff -$80 +$2 +$25 -$13 -$9 -$14 -$9 +$83 -$16

Michigan is charging its season ticket holder marginally more than it would cost her to buy the same plan on the secondary market at peak pre-season pricing. For locked in slightly better seats, sure. My point is Michigan isn’t selling you an Ohio State ticket for less; they’re selling you a retail product at peak retail pricing and pretending it’s wholesale.

Again, whether you think a capitalist entity acting like one is morally wrong is not part of the discussion (and I’d ask you to keep it out of the comments please). The thing is fans have started to get wise. Also they’re not all fans of the same teams.

The OSU-RU-NIU package is the cheapest way to purchase two Ohio State tickets. Considering the secondary market for Ohio State-Michigan games often reaches $250 to get in, that $280 isn’t so bad of a deal if you are looking to just go to The Game. If you can pick up something for the other two games, all the better. And therein lies the problem, especially because it’s not just Michigan fans buying them.

Ohio State fans are looking at this deal and thinking the same thing I just wrote. I would guess they’re a substantial part of this market, which is only controlled by sending a shareable code by email. That code is indeed being shared on Ohio State sites.

But it’s not just Ohio State fans buying this “Package” with no intention of seeing Rutgers or NIU. And we can tell because there are thousands of seats—in literally every non-student section—available on the secondary market right now. I went around just the endzones this morning and found 2,128 seats listed on StubHub for Rutgers, or about 8 percent of seats in those zones. In July. It should be like 2 percent.

I don’t think it’s hard to draw a line between the ticket packs priced $30 over the secondary market value of an Ohio State ticket, and the flood of tickets people are trying to sell immediately after they buy them.

But if there are so many tickets for sale, why isn’t the ticket price going down?

Empty Seats are StubHub Seats

The answer is StubHub wants to keep the price artificially high, even if the bulk of those tickets never move. Counterintuitively, selling every ticket, and taking the maximum amount of money from customers, are not at all the same thing. The bean counters don’t care if one person pays $60 for a Rutgers ticket or if three people pay $20, except the latter has more upside. From StubHub’s perspective, the more expensive the ticket, the more money they get. MLB has been operating on this principle for years. The seats I had in 2005 used to be $12 and I could usually sell them for $10 to someone who wanted to go on a Tuesday night. Tonight they’re $35. And look how many are available:

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You would think all of that supply with historically low demand would lead to some cheap seats. But remember what I told you about the prices being inflated. The sellers aren’t savvy ticket resellers; they’re football fans anxious to make back what’s “Face,” which for Rutgers tickets says “$70.” It’s already rough on them to list those seats for $35, even if 2,000 other tickets are listed at the same price right now. If you actually price them to sell (at like $15), ticket brokers will snatch them up, match them with other seats, and resell them.*

StubHub then uses various tricks, mostly psychological, to convince sellers to list their tickets way above the market. Here’s what the Rutgers seats look like right now on the only exchange for mobile tickets for two together:

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That’s the two-together get-in price. If you’re thinking of bringing your kid to a lighter game that you don’t mind leaving early to introduce them to Michigan football, you’ll look at that price and probably think it’s best to wait another year so they can appreciate it. If you and three old college friends are looking to have a reunion and bring the wives, they’re going to look at the price tag and say “That’s more than we’re paying for the AirBnB.”

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They’re absolutely not worth that. I spent a decade of Michigan fandom scrounging up tickets and if I ever paid $30 for a Rutgers ticket it was on the 50 yard line. Lately readers have sent them to me to find them a home. I always do. And that tells us something.

Let’s go back to the seller’s side. Here’s me putting the same tickets you see above into their system:

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Look what they’re telling me:

  • Tickets like yours sell between $35 and $61.
  • $46 is “Recommended”. Look at the bar—it’s even conservative!
  • Your ticket should sell quickly based on current prices.
  • The $35 you put the slider at is the low-low.
  • You’re so savvy you’re using Manual pricing. Are you sure you don’t want us to handle it for you? Look at that smart robot!
  • You can’t even move the slider below that. Why would you want to?'

If you actually want to go below that you have to figure out that the “35.00” in the gray box is editable. The fact that you can do this is a canard—most people won’t, and that results in a market set where StubHub wants it set. Even if the whole stadium goes on sale, they want the get-in price to be high enough that it costs the buyer $100 for two seats to a 2021 Michigan-Rutgers game. If thousands of people who would go if the price was more reasonable will balk at the price and watch at home, a third as many will bite the bullet and pay the exorbitant prices, and they make the same money.

It might be considerably worse than that because of the current financial situation of StubHub. Right before the pandemic (oooh) the founder repurchased it at $6 billion from the British parent company that owned it. That transaction, which Forbes called the “Worst Deal Ever” has gotten even worse than “I bought the world’s largest live event ticket reseller weeks before a global pandemic” since, because the UK is holding up the deal under anti-trust laws, meaning the new owner can’t get in to fix anything that’s broken, and the people currently operating that business couldn’t care less.

Would they care about Michigan-Rutgers? Probably not. But if they saw the college football market had an extraordinary amount of supply for extraordinary little demand, they might step in and configure some things to get things moving again. As it is, these tickets aren’t moving. It’s July, so the people buying are just deal searchers and travelers (e.g. our group of 8). But tickets are also a commodity with a hard expiration deadline, and there’s no way to move the numbers they’re already holding at the prices they can come down to, especially since a significant portion of the market likely only bought them as a write-off.

*You don’t have a chance against the brokers, especially when it comes to larger groups. They’re way ahead of you, playing the margins in many ticket markets. That too contributed to my malaise about writing these posts. The original purpose was to help Michigan fans find and sell their seats, but there’s nothing more I can recommend that an industry with more time and tools than either of us hasn’t turned to their own profit.

Can We Skip StubHub?

There is a method. Michigan allows fans to transfer their tickets for free through their online system. I am not positive this will work for digital tickets purchased as part of the packs. But if you do match up with other Michigan fans you and your partner can avoid having to pay an extra $15 for every $20 you’re spending on the tickets, so long as you can find your way through the convoluted ticket transfer system. Fewer paper tickets will mean a lot fewer of these transactions, which means a vastly smaller market. I would try to go that route if at all possible.

Michigan Fans Would Fill the Big House if You Remove the Parasite

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Worth it. [Fuller]

So let’s recap:

  • Michigan fan interest is at a deep low.
  • Turnout will be suppressed by the pandemic (please get your shots!).
  • Ticket prices, set based on 2019’s secondary market, are well above market value.
  • There’s already a huge glut of seats on the secondary market from selling
  • Options to resell tickets outside of the secondary market are low.

The school priced their season tickets to make sure they’re making the maximum these tickets would sell for on a free secondary market. Since they’re going to be letting players make money off themselves finally I don’t have any more moral qualms about Michigan athletics getting paid what the market will bear to fill their stadium.

I do have a problem, as a Michigan fan, with Michigan following professional sports into the Malthusian margins where they are filling the stadium at 75% capacity for normal games because the bottom line is higher if you can gouge the fans who can afford it than if you price the building to fill.

And those concerns are turned up to eleven now that the system is expecting the market to bear 2019-level margins. Remember in 2019 Michigan was a favorite to win the Big Ten. Things have changed, and the prices for the tickets haven’t. So what we’re headed for this season isn’t just a breaking point of fan disinterest in a relatively bad team, in a sport where only the same three in 130 teams have a realistic chance of winning a championship. We’re looking at a market that was already bubbled way out of proportion to what the fans would bear, and probably in the process of popping, before an international pandemic and economic belt-tightening.

Can Michigan Do Anything About It?

This is tricky because I don’t know their parameters, and am wary about demanding the school do things outside of their power. That’s a neat way to get attention while assuring your mark can’t ever fix things, so you get to keep being angry forever and ever. Not that I ever see people do that sort of thing.

Realistically then, here are a few ideas on Michigan’s end to start alleviating the bubble:

  1. Take Ohio State off the ticket pack options immediately, then make those tickets available, at that $140 face value, to Michigan fans who have purchased tickets to non-Ohio State Michigan athletic events.
  2. Also make these tickets available through Alumni Association clubs, and mailing lists where they are certain to have 90%+ Michigan fans (like the Kids Club members, UGP and M-Den’s mailing lists for customers who’ve bought licensed gear, and students).
  3. Work with their app developers to track who is coming to Michigan athletic events, and implement a point system that gives priority to fans for showing up to support Michigan sports. Currently the points system is almost entirely purchasable. It should not be restricted to donors—the kinds of fans who are going to every women’s basketball game, buy softball season tickets, and haven’t missed a football kickoff since 1984 are not “We’ve already got them” people to soak—they’re your core ambassadors, as important to you as the too-smart-for-their-own-good Michigan alumni are to us.
  4. Work with StubHub to free the secondary market. Cap fees if possible. Ask them to turn over their glut of downticket game seats (and compensate the sellers their meagre shares)
  5. Start dumping free tickets now. Give those seats out to youth leagues, high school football teams (Belleville?!), 7-on-7 teams, athletics alumni, and other adjacent entities you want to keep happy.
  6. Promote inexpensive ticket options to low-rent games at all live events with Michigan football fans. If there’s an alumni club volunteer project at Forgotten Harvest, the leader should have a code to give out to participants for $20 seats to Rutgers or NIU etc.
  7. Promote extra seats to adjacent season ticket holders. If two seats are available next to someone who’s bought season tickets for 5+ years, send them an email letting them know their loyalty allows them first dibs on those seats at a much reduced value.

I realize they are already promoting through email channels and giving tickets away to some of the local groups they’ve worked with in the past (like some local churches). They are clearly aware that an empty stadium is a bad look, and there’s only so much they can do about it. I don’t know how seriously the athletic department themselves are taking it.

As for fans looking to buy tickets right now, wait on everything but Washington (for multiple tickets—singles will come way down) and Ohio State, unless you are seriously interested in going to two other games on two other tiers. Every ticket you buy is one less red stain on The Game.

Comments

Seth

July 21st, 2021 at 4:00 PM ^

Somebody please tell me Michigan isn't a private for profit enterprise so I can answer with an extremely Ron Kramer introducing himself to Gerald Ford "No shit."

ERdocLSA2004

July 22nd, 2021 at 9:30 AM ^

It’s still M’s fault.  I’m sure stubhub reserved the right to do this in the initial contract and M agreed to it.  I don’t blame stubhub, what would you expect from a ticket company in the business of making money?  This is M’a fault for continuing to sellout.  The president doesn't care if fans come to games, he really doesn’t.  If he did, they would make a change in how they handle tickets.

Unrelated.  I think the prices of tickets should be inverted.  The games that are likely to be our most winnable and enjoyable to watch games should be the most expensive.  The games that fall in cold November in which we are most likely to get curb stomped should be cheapest.  It’s the only way we fill the stadium with M fans and not buckeyes.

 

 

OfficerRabbit

July 22nd, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

The games that fall in cold November in which we are most likely to get curb stomped should be cheapest.  It’s the only way we fill the stadium with M fans and not buckeyes.

Wouldn't this scenario lead to a stadium completely filled with OSU fans... which I'm completely fine with, but seems counterintuitive to what you want as a UM fan? Cheap seats and a likely win over UM is a surefire way to fill the Big House with scarlet and gray. JMHO.

kurpit

July 21st, 2021 at 4:05 PM ^

In general I prefer to let for-profit entities do what they do within ethical, moral, and legal bounds. 

This is a perfect segue way for me to start a discussion on how large macaroni noodles are unethical, immoral, and should perhaps be illegal.

mGrowOld

July 21st, 2021 at 4:11 PM ^

Simply based on the sheer volume of emails i get weekly from the Athletic Department "encouraging" me to purchase tickets I knew things had to be pretty bad.  The rock bottom one (at least so far) was their last chance Flash Sale for Rutgers tickets.

Buckle up boys and girls - this will absolutely be ugly for all the reasons you just noted.

UM Indy

July 21st, 2021 at 4:16 PM ^

Seth, appreciate the analysis but repeated references to Rutgers (and even NIU) as being unwanted tickets to overmatched tomato can opponents is wrong. UM can’t look past anyone right now. We should be past this culture/attitude as fans. Understood that’s not the point of the post but this marginalizing of certain opponents just doesn’t hold up until our team shows on the field they are superior.  

gobluem

July 21st, 2021 at 4:26 PM ^

I don't think it matters really

 

Do I want to pay a bunch to see us play Big 10 bottom feeders or mid-level MAC programs? We should be stomping teams like this. 

 

So my options are, watch Michigan crush these sorts of teams, as we "should" if our program is in a good place

 

Or, we suck and we may or may not scrape by a mediocre MAC or Big 10 bottom feeder

 

 

Neither scenario is exactly motivating me to shell out big bucks for a ticket

MNWolverine2

July 21st, 2021 at 5:37 PM ^

Okay, let's just call it a "game we should win".  It would be great if the Northern Illinois game was full of Mom's and Dad's taking their 4 -12 year olds to see their first Michigan game.

I would KILL to take my 6 year old to a game.  But it just doesn't make sense at $70 a ticket + food/bev and he may only make it til halftime.

If I could get a $20 ticket, I would be there in a heartbeat and make another Michigan fan.

ShineBox

July 22nd, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

FWIW, I would regularly go to these early season Little Sisters of the Poor games and pick up tix out front right before game time for $20 or less. I'd take the shuttle from Briarwood Mall (~$4 round trip) and usually find my seat on my walk from the bus to the gate.

Sucks that it appears those days are done.

JimHimbaugh

July 21st, 2021 at 4:25 PM ^

Man, Seth, with Brian "out," and Ace gone, this entire enterprise seems to have fallen on your shoulders, and what's been lost in width has been gained in depth!  I do miss Brian's excellent DFW impression, but I respect the hell out of your stepping into this void and filling it with your voice.  What a miracle it is to write long enough to find one's voice!  I have many fist-shaking thoughts about our economic system that I am currently keeping out of the comments, simply because you asked nicely.  Civility!  It's crazy what treating people like adults can accomplish.

Tex_Ind_Blue

July 21st, 2021 at 4:25 PM ^

You mean the sharks that have tasted blood should give it up and become vegan? Good luck with that. 

Individual entities have never had any bargaining power against (any well-organized entity, or entities with money). The fans can only get a change if they "band" together or a benevolent entity with power to do something finally does something. 

Why does writing these sentences feel like we might be talking about something else besides tickets to an entertainment event? 

Wolverine In Exile

July 21st, 2021 at 4:29 PM ^

And this is how you kill fandom for a whole generation of fans. Thanks for the exposition. There's a reason a bunch of us who grew up in the 80s became Tigers fans... yes the team was good / competitive, but it also was affordable and easy for a dad with 2 kids to take his kids and 2 other kids to the ball game on a weeknight because you could buy the bleacher seats for $4-8 / game. And don't give me the "experience is better at home on TV" or "inflation man" arguments. College sports are like baseball-- they need to have a way for generations to come together to experience, otherwise it's just another thing competing for your entertainment dollar (and time). 

robpollard

July 21st, 2021 at 7:13 PM ^

Coincidentally, my family went to a Lugnuts game last weekend. An enjoyable time in a nice ballpark ($13/ticket, with only an additional $3 total service fee; $5 parking; good food that, to be honest, was priced at a near-premium so be aware of that).

The main problem? I thought without commercials, the game would move faster. Nope! We were there 2 hours and 15 minutes. That got us through six innings of a 4-2 game.

I know families mostly don't go to minor league games for the actual baseball, let alone a result, but my goodness baseball poobahs -- if you can't finish a moderate scoring minor league game with few pitching changes in 2 1/2 hours, you've got a major problem.

Wallaby Court

July 21st, 2021 at 5:02 PM ^

The unstated corollary to affordability is enjoyability. I am not just talking about the quality of the on-field product, but of the in-stand experience. Broadcasters have taken more and more control of the pace of play. In 1996, games lasted an average of 3 hours. By 2017, that increased to almost 3.5 hours. Source. I suspect that number is pretty close to 4 hours by now. SEC games on CBS had a reputation for regularly cracking the 4 hour mark. A 3.5 hour game is aggravating when you are watching at home, but you can always flip to a different game, get a drink, or wander to the kitchen for a snack. It is utter hell to sit in a stadium waiting for the all-powerful redcap to get off the field so play can resume.

MGoStretch

July 21st, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^

This x 1,000.  Honestly, it's hard to believe that an entity like Michigan Football could find itself acting in a way that so detrimental to their long term success (though I guess Dave Brandon was the AD at one point in the not distant past, so anything is possible).  Sure, they could continue to exist in a situation where they make pretty significant money off of ticket sales.  Want to know where they can REALLY make some money?  Make it so that a dad and his son can sit side-by-side on a beautiful fall day and see those winged helmets flow on to the field while the band plays The Victors without having to sell a kidney on the black market. You know what will be your ROI for that kid? Decades worth of jersey sales, other tickets to football and other sports, hats, shoes, concessions, etc...  Heck, the kid could grow up and become a Michigan student and take HIS kid to a game someday. 

Am I ranting? Yes. 

Am I sad that something I care about is trending toward a sterile endeavor that exists for the sole purpose of making a profit? Also yes.

KC Wolve

July 21st, 2021 at 5:25 PM ^

Yep, I feel bad for my kid. I will def take him to games on occasion, but its rare. Baseball is way overpriced when half the stadium is empty and football is overpriced and is a chore and you have to deal with constant TV timeouts. Sorry buddy, we are watching on TV and a half hour behind so we can skip the commercial breaks. 

DMill2782

July 22nd, 2021 at 10:12 AM ^

I live in Indiana, so when I come to Ann Arbor it's for two nights. I love the city and love making a weekend of it. That being said, hotels bend you over a barrel at $300+ per night during football season. Ticket prices have sky rocketed since my parents did this trip for me as a Wolverines obsessed kid (I was born in 1982). Trying to get my wife and son up to watch a football game pretty much starts at $1000 (hotel + tix) now. Then we have to add food, drinks, and gas on top of that. Merch usually comes into play as well. The price for a Michigan football weekend for us is almost the same as going on a 5 - 7 day beach vacation. We can afford to do it, but the cost benefit ratio is rapidly decreasing.  

I will still continue to come up for basketball games, my lifelong favorite sport and first choice anyway, but I am a bit depressed that I'm not going to be able to bring my boy up to see as many Michigan football games as I got to experience growing up. 

MMB 82

July 22nd, 2021 at 3:38 PM ^

Likewise, I am an old-time MMB member, and used to enjoy flying out from several time zones west to march/play in Homecoming. Airfare into DTW is jacked-up on home game weekends, I have paid as much as $360/nite for basically Motel 6, and now they are no longer allowing Band Alumni onto the field- they have to buy tickets at $75 (understandable though for player safety). I am looking at over $2000 for the experience, and it is sad to say it just isn't worth it anymore.

oh, forgot to mention: as far as I understand, the Alumni Band won’t be allowed on the field for the combined halftime show any more. Talk about not worth it…

egrfree2rhyme

July 21st, 2021 at 4:30 PM ^

Great article. One other way that stubhub greatly inflates prices, IMO, is that it's an outlet for people who are planning on going to the games to offer their tickets at a higher price than they think the ticket is worth "in case" anyone bites. If the only tickets on stubhub were people that definitely weren't going to the game - say for example season ticket holders who have a wedding on the day of a certain game - prices would be relatively low because the people looking to sell would be people that can't go to the game and just want to get what they can for their seats. That used to be the case for the majority of the seats on the secondary market. But now there are tons of season ticket holders - including my parents - who will buy season tickets because they know they want to go to some games, especially OSU and Washington this year, but they'll put their tickets on stubhub at above market value and basically say, if someone is willing to pay $100 for a Rutgers or Northwestern ticket, great, if not, I'll just go to the game.

So when you look for tickets on stubhub, a ton of the tickets you're seeing aren't people that are desperate to sell. They're people who are going to go to the game, unless they get offered more than they think the ticket is worth. Add onto that the fact that it has to be someone willing to pay 30% more than what the seller thinks the ticket is worth - due to stubhub's fees - and the price of tickets is inflated a crazy amount.