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Report: Michigan Reaching Out To Bates, Manuel Comment Count

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Manuel, Bates

Per Coaching Search's Pete Roussel:

A source has informed CoachingSearch.com that Michigan has gauged the interest of UConn director of athletics Warde Manuel and Boston College athletic director Brad Bates about their interest in the same position at Michigan.

panic

UPDATE: John U Bacon says nope.

Sorry for getting anyone's hopes up.

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 29th, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^

I'll tell you what.  I trust Bacon.  But Coachingsearch isn't a hack website, and Roussel has earned a pretty fair level of trust himself.  I don't think these two things are mutually exclusive, not in this world of microscopically parsed statements and painstakingly crafted PR releases.

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lilpenny1316

September 29th, 2014 at 6:25 PM ^

Even if it's on the level of regent talking to agent.  I know that Manuel is really liked at UConn so it might be a good idea to start following the local bloggers and insiders in the Northeast.

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Truth Serum

September 29th, 2014 at 6:26 PM ^

At what point do the proles begin to question their leader? I am sure this comment will not last long, because this fiasco has proven beyond doubt that those writing on this site lack integrity. However, I offer a few questions for Brian and any moderator should they deem it necessary to hold themselves to the precise standards they demand of others, especially in the case of the hit job they are currently leading/endorsing. 1. Why spend so many words accusing Hoke, Brandon, et al of being "liars" if you permit your site to publish lies and potential lies? Both Ace and Brian have lied and/or embellished in their recent writing. Does branding others "liars" when you are lying demonstrate integrity? 2. Does anyone affiliated with MGOBLOG adhere to even one principle of journalism? Stating that, and I am paraphrasing, "...whether or not he was concussed doesn't matter..." is a dishonest shell game meant to alleviate the ramifications of falsely claiming for days that Morris was concussed. There is even a "Concussions" tag on a few of the "articles." If it is revealed that Morris was not concussed, as it may have been already, should not a writer of integrity apologize and provide a retraction/correction? 3. Do any of you know what libel is? I hope so, because several of you have committed it. That is criminal, literally and figuratively, and demonstrates an unabashed lack of integrity. 4. Wouldn't boycotting the Penn State game be more of a protest? Maryland? In two months? Wow, you must really be outraged. Yours is actually transparent and fake outrage, which lacks integrity. If you were really upset you would boycott everything, starting last Saturday. 5. Don't Brian's recent tweets reveal that he is really just kind of spoiled? "Please, please, please, let me get what I want this time." You don't really care about Michigan; you care about you. I predict that some minion will contend that this is a "blog," so journalistic ethics are out the window. I predict my answer will be that less intelligent persons might believe that to be the case, so I will forgive the ignorance. However, the second you began accepting press passes, sitting in press boxes, and "reporting," the blog defense was obliterated. You are wholly unethical, and that lacks integrity. You are certainly free to feel and think whatever you would like about Hoke, Brandon, and the program, but what you and your site have been doing the past few days is shameful. Fire everybody, including yourselves, because you are not any good at your jobs, either.

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JamieH

September 29th, 2014 at 6:40 PM ^

The reason (as it has been explained about 10 bazillion times) that it is somewhat irrelevant whether Morris was actually concussed or not is rather simple.

A)  Player takes massive shot to upper body region including most likely the head

B)  Player appears noticably woozy/unable to properly stand/walk. 

C)  Player is left in the game

D)  Player is reinserted into the game clearly without a full concussion protocol having been done.

 

Now, was Morris simply being allowed to be pummelled into dust due to his leg injury (a coaching malpractice in its own right by Hoke that honestly showed utter incompetence outside of the whole concussion situation)?  Or was Morris knocked woozy and everyone ignored it?  I have no idea.  But that is the question isn't it?  Why wasn't ANYONE PAYING ATTENTION TO OUR QUARTERBACK?   What the hell was Hoke doing that he didn't notice that our already injured quarterback was getting blasted into next week and needed to come out of the game?

Someone needed to be looking out for Shane Morris.  Given the absense of anyone else, that person should have been Brady Hoke.  But Hoke was too busy saving timeouts while down by 23 points in the 2nd half of a game he had no chance of winning.

 

 

 

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JamieH

September 29th, 2014 at 7:02 PM ^

The game was out of reach.  There was no good reason to have Morris in the game.  It isn't like this was a game winning drive and Morris was our star QB and pulling him at that point was somehow throwing the game down the toilet.   Morris had been horrible all game and was clearly injured beyond any level of effectiveness.  What possible point was there to leaving him in the ballgame?

Having him then go back into the game after Gardner lost his helmet was just the icing on the incompetence cake.

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MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 29th, 2014 at 6:42 PM ^

Let me ask you a question.  Suppose during a football game a player falls awkwardly on his neck and stops moving.  If the training staff comes out and immobilizes his head and neck, and it turns out later he didn't break his neck at all, were they wrong to do so?

If he lays on the ground not moving, and the trainers come out, pick him up, and carry him off, without any of those precautions, they'll be fired.  Even if it turns out later the guy didn't break his neck at all.

The fact that you don't get this disqualifies you from the discussion.

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Vote_Crisler_1937

September 29th, 2014 at 6:47 PM ^

"...Whether or not he was concussed doesn't matter..." How is that a dishonest shell game? You cannot say with certainty that Morris didn't have a concussion after the hit and thus he should not have been able to take the next snap the moment he exhibited what my neurologist fiancé described as, "a symptom likely attributable to a concussion". At that moment Morris needed to be pulled for a concussion assessment but he was not. Where did MGoBlog lie about that?


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los barcos

September 29th, 2014 at 9:10 PM ^

there are pictures of him talking to the trainer... Now it's entirely possible a trainer of three decades couldn't tell that a kid was visibly knocked out and ignored a potential head injury but... That doesn't seem likely. And let's not pretend that there has never been a violent hit where the person is fine afterwards. Conversely, there are plenty of innocuous hits that knock people out. My point is we can sit here all we want and watch the hit on a replay gif and make arm chair determinations that Shane was knocked out cold... Or we could think that a medical professional with decades of experience could talk to Shane and Adequately perform their job.

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SalvatoreQuattro

September 29th, 2014 at 6:50 PM ^

show us how they are lying. All you have done is point at MGOBLOG and say "J'ACCUSE!". Well, that may well have been good enough for Emile Zola, but you are no Emile Zola. At least he had the balls to accuse using his real name instead of hiding behind a pseudonym.  You are a coward.

 

Secondly, it has not been proven that he was not concussed. You'll have to provide evidence to where he was.

 

Thirdly, do you know what libel is? If so, prove to us how MGOBLOG is guilty of it.One wo accuses without evidence is someone to be scorned.

 

Fourthly, how do you even know that Brian is going to that game? He has a family and thus may not go to all the games. Again, you accuse without basis.

 

Fifthy, no his tweets ably express his very justifible outrage over the descent of a once proud program into a morass of horrid play, dubious decision making by the head coach, and pimping out of a much beloved football program by a corporate bureaucrat.

 

You accuse, but present nothing to support your accusations. You damn, but provide no damning evidence. You are an intellectually lazy person who is clearly tied to Brandon and Hoke in some way. Your vituperation-saturated rant indicates that to us.

 

I challenge you to provide evidence to support your accusations.

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white_pony_rocks

September 29th, 2014 at 7:38 PM ^

I don't think that saying "hey, there is a report going around that u of m reached out to these 2 ADs, might want to keep paying attention to this"is any kind of wrong, he didn't say "according to my sources u of m is reaching out to these 2 ADs". I read this blog, not coachingsearch.com or whatever it is, I want them to post stuff like this so I hear about it. As for the concussion tag, excuse me if I'm wrong, but if you're article is taking about potential concussions, concussion protocol, etc, then it makes sense to use a concussion tag. It's not like he used the ShaneMorrisdefinitelyhasaconcussion tag. As for the Maryland game boycott, I believe the logic has been talked about, the PSU game is already sold out, Indiana is homecoming, Maryland makes sense to send a message by snapping the 100k steak. As for him writing about what he wants, well yeah, it's a fucking blog. And for the libel, that's on him to deal with if it comes up, but many of these" real journalists " you speak of have dealt with those types accusations also.

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Drbogue

September 29th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

PSU sold out? Lol. I've received 2 calls in 24 hours for a total of 6 free PSU tix on the 30. Try selling tix on stubhub and let me know how that goes for you.

The poster's basic premise holds true. Brian Cook loves to rant about how everyone in the AD and the coaches can't do their job. Brian makes his living from analyzing Michigan football, but apparently only when the team does well. Was there any discussion about the game? About Peppers being benched for mouthing off? Nope. Will you see a UFR for this game? No. Just more bitching about how everyone just has a job because they have a job. Well, now Brian can count himself among that group.

It's fine to write about the turmoil without wearing your heart on your sleeve. But if you are going to post every rumor going forward, you are going to alienate a lot of readers who followed your posts because you DIDNT post a bunch of rumors. until something actually happens, keep it on the board where it belongs.

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SalvatoreQuattro

September 29th, 2014 at 8:19 PM ^

Firstly, it's a blog. That means it subjective opinion pieces will be made. Brian's commentary complements the the analysis wich tyoically come out later in the week. 

They also posted Hoke's pressers from Saturday and today. You got to read from the horse's mouth.

There  was indeed a discussion of the game.http://mgoblog.com/?page=1

 

This necessarily included referencing the Morris incident as it was really the one outstanding aspect of the game itself.

Why you felt compelled to write a factually criticism of Brian I have no idea. 

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Drbogue

September 29th, 2014 at 8:31 PM ^

You can watch all the pressers on Mlive. Nothing new there. Did you listen to the podcast? 

I guess you can't criticize the authors of this site... or you'll have to read a sentence like, "Why you felt compelled to write a factually criticism of Brian I have no idea." 

The English translation portion of my brain just seized.

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SalvatoreQuattro

September 29th, 2014 at 8:58 PM ^

I intended to say a "factually deficient criticism".

Your "criticism" was lacking in both logic and in facts. The indepth analysis you expect comes out days later after Brian and company breakdown the film. I don't know what you expected so early after an event. Most sites typically take time in breaking down the film. The days after a game are reserved for initial pre-film impressions and post-game pressers. 

 

It appears that you don't understand how reporting of football games work. That's unfortunate.

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white_pony_rocks

September 29th, 2014 at 11:18 PM ^

so when something like this fiasco happens Brian has to ignore it and go on with business as usual, even though it's clearly not business as usual? 99.99% of shit posted on this blogs front page since it was created has been exactly what you and the OP want, detailed analysis, recruiting roundups, charts and graphs, etc, but we aren't allowed to break away from that during the most volatile time I can remember as a Michigan fan? fuck the fuck off you stupid fucking fuck

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Ray

September 29th, 2014 at 6:43 PM ^

As others have noted, these two accounts aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.  The people conducting a search like this would likely be limited to just a few individuals, and Bacon's sources could just be on the outside of those discussions.   

I think this story could help explain why Brandon wasn't at the presser today, and why Hoke said he hadn't talked to him--which IMO was the part of the press conference that strained credulity the most.  You're facing a storm of bad national publicity and even the campus paper has called for your ouster, and you and your boss haven't even talked, let alone having him there in support?  Could be that Brandon is either already out or is about to be. 

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SysMark

September 29th, 2014 at 6:41 PM ^

I don't care what Bacon's sources are, no one he's talking to in the ADept is going to confirm this, assuming they would know.  If someone's talking to these guys the ADept will be on the outside looking in.

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blusage

September 29th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^

In his prime other coaches were winning multiple national championships. He never won one. So I don't quite understand what metric you're using. Bo, "in his prime," was behind the curve blindly believing that a power, grind it out, predictable running game would prevail and that the flashy passing game was just a fad. He was wrong then -- or he'd have won an NC -- and he'd be very wrong today. His defenses were great, but his offenses only seldom could hang with the best offenses of the day.

Bo was good, at least he didn't lose to lesser teams, but he was old-fashioned and inflexible as far as the game was concerned.

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funkywolve

September 29th, 2014 at 6:50 PM ^

the conflicting statements.  Maybe Bacon and coaching search have different source.  Word gets to coachingsearch that these AD's have been contacted to gauge interest.  Word leaks and damage control by both parties kicks in - if anyone asks if UM has reached out to contact you, deny any knowledge. 

In my mind, it's not to hard to imagine that maybe both Bacon and coachingsearch are correctly reporting what their sources have told them. 

Maybe coachingsearch's source is a little better connected then Bacon's on this matter.

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Mr. Yost

September 29th, 2014 at 6:53 PM ^

...if someone is meeting with an AD, I HIGHLY doubt you'll hear about it. It makes absolutely NO sense to do so. Not unless the University President is demanding a public search...in which case you lose a lot of candidates because they don't want their name out there. I don't think you'd lose these two, because Michigan is probably their dream job.

Nonetheless, that person is currently employed and leading a staff, he/she has donors to worry about, student athletes, an entire athletics program to worry about. One of them isn't going to get the job, that makes things very difficult.

They call them airport meetings...you get a flight with a layover in your city, get a hotel conference room, chat and talk shop, then get on your plane and go home. You never set foot on/near campus.

They do this all the time with coaches, but especially with AD's. How do I know? I've been on a committed to hire an AD (and a coach). The candidates flew to our airport and never left, they just turned around, got on a plane and went back home.

I've also been on one where we had to go to Atlanta just to meet the candidates. Such a waste of money...fly staff to a city to go meet someone and then fly them back home that same night. (I don't work there anymore).

I especially wouldn't believe ANYTHING you read until Brandon is officially out. At that time you may get some leaks that reasonable, and they may be Bates and Manuel, but right now these names are just being floated to see how people react to them. Particularly the people (donors) with money.

 

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99bobcats

September 29th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

It is a little bit ironic that everyone at MGoBlog wants everyone fired for doing a bad job and then they report something and immediately have to retract it because they didn't vet it.


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SalvatoreQuattro

September 29th, 2014 at 8:27 PM ^

They reported that a report indicated interest in Warde and Manuel.  Bacon talked to his sources who denied it. Basically, we have two different people citing different sources. Brian rightly reported Bacon's tweet.

 

He gave you all the information that is available.That is what any reporter is supposed to do.

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white_pony_rocks

September 29th, 2014 at 11:42 PM ^

exactly, it's not like Brian said "my sources say this", he found something very relevant to what everyone is taking about and let us know about it, he didn't say it was happening, he correctly linked to it also. maybe it's because I'm not a journalist but I don't understand what the big deal is about reporting on something that somebody else said

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Clarence Beeks

September 29th, 2014 at 7:36 PM ^

If you parse Bacon's tweet, it actually doesn't undercut the original report. Of course Michigan hasn't "started a search" yet, the job is still occupied. Gauging interest, in the event the job should just happen to open up is not a search.

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SFBlue

September 29th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^

If Bacon's source is from within the AD, I am not too concerned.  Unlikely that anyone in the AD would be consulted about informal inquiries.  It is a bit concerning that this has hit the airwaves, however, as it will be more difficult for the Regents (or someone working with them) to operate.

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