Recruitin' Mailbag: Visits Vs. On-Field Performance, Offer Types, Position Group Needs Comment Count

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As Michigan heads into a big visit weekend before what should be an eventful month of June, when the coaches make their satellite camp tour, it's a good time for a recruiting mailbag. No need for a preamble; let's get straight to the questions.

This will depend on the prospect to a certain extent. For recruits focused more on relationships with coaches, facilities, academic support, and the like, on-campus visits should be the primary way Michigan pushes for a commitment. For recruits intent on competing for conference and national titles, Michigan is going to have to show some progress this season before they haul in guys hell-bent on collecting rings.

That's oversimplifying matters, of course; recruits rarely commit to a school without a great on-campus visit experience, and winning is going to help no matter what. After the way last year's recruiting deteriorated along with the team's performance, however, it's safe to say on-field results will be more important this year for recruiting than a normal year. (Whatever that is.) Jim Harbaugh's reputation may precede him, but the program has been down for long enough that a lot of top prospects—especially from outside the region—are going to want to see the Wolverines take a step forward before making a four- or five-year commitment.

[Hit THE JUMP for a comparison of Harbaugh's offer approach to Hoke's, the position group in need of a solid '16 haul, and a guess or two at M's next commitment.]

What is your view of the Harbaugh's approach to offers vs hoke's approach? Harbaugh has sent out a ton more offers, more nationally, and has made some of them the non-commitable type.  Hoke sent out fewer and was much more regional.

Thanks,

Jason

As with many of the things Harbaugh has done with recruiting since he took over, I think this is a much-needed adaptation to the current way top programs recruit, especially with high level prospects. Landing the best of the best usually requires getting in early, and as we've seen, that can mean extending an offer as early as a recruit's freshman year or even 8th grade; "offers" at that point are more a means of expressing serious interest than anything else anyway. They're relatively low risk—if a prospect falls down M's board for one reason or another, there's plenty of time to back off—and the potential reward is quite high.

The focus on more out-of-region recruits is a little more high-risk; it's just hard to consistently pull in recruits from California and Texas. Logistical issues can impede a recruitment even if a prospect has legitimate interest; if a recruit can't or won't pay his way for an unofficial visit prior to his senior season, it's hard to make up ground on schools within driving distance, especially with recruits committing earlier and earlier these days.

Harbaugh's found a great workaround with the satellite camp tour, and the staff has also turned their focus more towards Midwest recruits after their initial flurry of offers to top national prospects. Striking a balance will be important, but I think Harbaugh's strategy will pay off, and will do so even more down the road as he reestablishes old recruiting connections and forges new ones.

As for committable/non-committable offers, Steve Lorenz posted a great rundown of Michigan's general strategy last week ($):

One thing we're already aware of: Michigan is putting out some offers that are not immediately committable. Most schools are straight-forward about these types of offers, and you can add the Wolverines to that list. The players that get these offers are aware of what the staff's motives are behind them. Despite the high amount of offers, a lot less of these offers are "non-committable" than you would probably think.

Why is that? One reason Michigan has cast out a wide net in the 2016 is because this staff is more than comfortable with their ability to develop players. There are always going to be top targets on every coaching staff's board, but the "take" net is wider because Harbaugh and company believe in their ability to turn relatively under-recruited players into contributors at the college level.

By my understanding, non-committable offers tend to be of the "we're very interested, but we're waiting on a prospect or two higher on the board" variety, and so long as the coaches are up front with explaining that—and I've seen nothing to the contrary—then there's no problem here.

Michigan seems to be in on all sorts of big names but if they were to really hit a home run on one particular group in this cycle what would be the ideal one?  Essentially would an all-star haul at OL, DL or LB be the most important for 2016 and the program as it stands right now?  Seems like any of the three are within the realm of possibility with the names they’re in on.

With Michigan set to lose all three of their starting linebackers—Bolden, Morgan, and Ross—after this season to graduation, landing a solid haul at that position group would be huge. The transfer of Michael Ferns leaves M a little light on bodies at linebacker for 2017.

The good news is linebacker could very well end up as the strongest group in this recruiting class. Michigan already has Dele' Harding and David Reese in the fold; while Reese could end up at fullback, he'll get a chance to stick as an inside linebacker. The Wolverines are among the favorites for several excellent prospects, including Jonathan Jones, Caleb Kelly, Camilo Eifler, Dontavious Jackson, Devin Bush Jr., and Xavier Kelly. Jones looks like a very good bet to end up in the class sooner or later, and if Michigan can add even one or two of the other players on that list, they'll have done quite well for themselves.

As I said in yesterday's recruiting roundup, we're not quite on commit watch for anybody*, but a couple guys on this weekend's visitor list are distinct possibilities. If Michigan offers four-star IN all-purpose back Chris Evans, which seems likely given the visit, there's a good chance he accepts it, and that could happen quickly. Three-star Paramus Catholic WR Donald Stewart will also be in Ann Arbor this weekend, and while he's not expected to commit while on campus, it's hard to rule it out when he's got Michigan atop his list before ever seeing the school. 

*Yes, I'll acknowledge the word of a silent commit coming from Sam Webb on The Victors Board. Webb mentioned that this prospect is keeping word quiet for now because he doesn't want a public announcement to affect his upcoming visits, so it's unclear how imminently a commitment would happen, and since the prospect is checking out other schools there's always the chance this falls through.

Comments

LalukGoBlue

May 29th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^

Your posts are always informative and fact-driven and we appreciate them. There's always gonna be hype but you stay grounded in reality. Well done.

ScruffyTheJanitor

May 29th, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^

LB's for depth, and we just need an infusion of talent at the other two positions. I just have this feeling that about 3 WRs are going to leave early.  While I do think that Charlton/Marshall/Ojemudia/Poggi are going to be a bit better than most think, I really would love to have a couple of edge-terror-beasts. 

True Blue Grit

May 29th, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^

Drake Harris and Brian Cole were both top end recruits who have athletic ability.  Obviously, Harris has some serious injury issues still and neither have a second of playing time yet.  So, there are definitely question marks.  I also think Darboh has not reached his ceiling either.  Would I still love to see a big, fast outside guy in this class.  Of course.  But, the cupboard isn't completely bare. 

Richard75

May 30th, 2015 at 7:11 AM ^

It's pretty bare.

Let's not kid ourselves. If this weren't our favorite team, the clear-eyed analysis would be that there's one guy who *might* be an above-average possession WR (Darboh), one promising-but-not-Julio Jones-promising FR (Cole) and then just a bunch of guys. None of the other guys were major recruits except Harris, and Harris unfortunately doesn't exist until proven otherwise.

Hoping that one good recruit will immediately become an impact player is the definition of being in rough shape. How we haven't learned this by now is hard to understand.



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alum96

May 29th, 2015 at 6:43 PM ^

I think he meant "leave early" as in leave the program early.  Not for the NFL.  I could be wrong.  Lots of smoke out there on edges of internet re: Harris potentially being a medical and the class of 2013 WRs are really doing little to nothing.

If he meant 3 are going early to the NFL, well then I'll have some of what he's having...

Gofor2

June 2nd, 2015 at 6:20 AM ^

The Irish have recently been in the NC game, not to mention have had solid winning seasons. ND is clearly a step above UM as far as recent on the field success. ND can point to that recent success with recruits. UT is a different story, and have been right there with UM and the rest of the bottom feeders. For some reason kids seem to want to play for Butch. Before Butch their recruiting wasn't so good at all. The OP is dead on about needing to win and prove to them UM football is back on track, or at least headed that way. The Luster will wear off Harbaugh very, very fast if he doesn't deliver a respectable season. In Fact if UM doesn't get at least 8 wins and/or make a bowl game having JH will do little to wow kids to Ann Arbor. Having JH is a huge benefit, but only if it's coupled with wins.

Go Blue in MN

May 29th, 2015 at 9:17 PM ^

I wonder how these "non-committable" offers are extended.  "Dude, you're amazing.  We really, really, really want you and are offering you a chance to play school and play football at the University of Michigan . . . unless one kid of this list of 4 other players at your position makes up his mind to join us before next February, in which case you can forget that part I said about an 'offer'."   

How do you extend such an "offer" while simultaneously (a) being open with the kid and (b) not having the disclaimer outweigh the "offer" and turning it into a bankhanded compliment. 

ElBictors

May 29th, 2015 at 2:44 PM ^

Harbaugh's pedigree is a HUGE advantage in terms of those players - esp QBs - who want to play on Sundays.  Combine that with the Winged Helmet and Tradition as the All-Time Winning CFB program and the turnaround shouldn't take too long.

Recruits have already said that Harbaugh's having played both at M and in the NFL are huge marks in his favor ...the 'professional' make up of his staff helps too.

Hoke, nice guy and ambassador that he was, just didn't have much to sell beyond the Winged Helmet and degree -- two great attributes, but not near the depth that Harbaugh offers.  I figure an 8-4 season this Fall and most would conclude the program is on the rebound.  Surprising improvement from players that languised under Hoke and staff and you start to get real interest in not only UM, the NFL but in Harbaugh's staff and ability to improve players.

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turd ferguson

May 29th, 2015 at 2:50 PM ^

It's not fair to Hoke to say that he could only sell the helmet and degree.  Being an extraordinarily nice, genuine guy who sincerely cared about his players - and whose assistant coaches sincered cared about their players - was a valuable asset in recruiting.  Most families want to send their kids where they'll be cared for, and most kids (even elite football recruits) want to be surrounded by adults who care about them.

It's possible that Hoke's pitch appealed to kids with less of an edge or drive than other coaches' approaches, but Hoke wasn't just lucky in recruiting.  He could offer something that recruits value and other coaches struggle to match. 

B1G_Fan

May 31st, 2015 at 1:19 AM ^

Not one 2015-2016 recruit has even put on a winged helmet and played a meaningful snap yet. You need to look at the bigger picture and just not put so much stock in recruiting sites. Folks around here we're yelling national championships in 2014-2015 after the 2012 recruiting class.

 We strecthed the trust the coaches meme to it's breaking point after the last staff but i'm sure Harbaugh and company can evaluate and coach up talent with the best of them

alum96

May 29th, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

Your first paragraph sounds like everything peeps were saying last January.  Thus far it hasn't resulted in much.  It looks - as Ace pointed out - kids want to see progress on the field.  We have to remember that for the typical 17 year old UM has not been very relevant since he was in 3rd grade or whatever.  One good year ('11) but that had some flukyness to it, and aside from that it's been barren since 2006.

We were told every 5 star - esp QBs - would throw themselves at the program due to Harbaugh.  It hasn't been the case.  Even at QB Peters was a fallback after option #1 went to Stanford. 

As an aside 2012 was to Hoke what 2016 will be to Harbaugh - their first full classes.  Hoke's 2012 class ended up at #6 in the nation so there is a lot of work to do to get anywhere near that. And yes I realize that class didn't turn out stellar but I am just speaking to what the information was at the time - that class was considered elite.

http://michigan.247sports.com/Season/2012-Football/Commits

Not to get political but Hoke was "folksy" like say Bush or Clinton.  A lot of people want someone in politics they can relate to - have a beer with.  That's Hoke.  Harbaugh is a different mold - intense, intellectual and won't appeal to the same wide swath of people.  But either would Saban - but winning solves all.  Saban's 2nd class was also excellent and that was coming off a long period of Alabama sucking and the average 17 year old not knowing Alabama as anything but mediocre for most of their lives as well.

ElBictors

May 29th, 2015 at 2:58 PM ^

I think it's fair to say that the nationally recognized, Best of the Best, who are looking past college and to the NFL would not find Hoke's approach as appealing as Harbaugh and staff.  I like Hoke a lot and think he wanted only good for M (can't wait for Bacon to write an expose on what really happened with Brandon running the show and how much he might have tied Hoke's hands), but he simply couldn't tell the same story as Harbaugh.  And to that point, many of the top recruits under his tenure were recruited by Mattison, who touted his time with the Ravens and coaching of players like Ed Reed and Ray Lewis.

Now most kids shouldn't be looking past college, but some do and for those that are, Harbaugh has a better story to tell.

Mr Miggle

May 29th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^

All kids should be looking past college when they choose a school, whether they're athletes or not. While it's not wise to think only about the NFL, it makes a lot of sense to choose a school whose coaches will help you get there. That, along with the education they offer, should mean a lot more than the relative chances of winning a championship.

BlueCube

May 29th, 2015 at 9:36 PM ^

development potential will sell soon but Harbaugh still needs to build the relationships.. For all the good things that have come out, there have been things that other schools are going to use against him (he's crazy and may overwork you, may go back to the NFL etc.). I think he is going to do very well with the 2016 class but will do even better in 2017 as thet are nire equal with the relationship development.

Results on the field will also help but I think that is basically a given looking at Harbaugh's track record.

93Grad

May 29th, 2015 at 3:09 PM ^

3-4 RB's in this class given all the other needs so maybe there will be more attrition ahead?  Or maybe they are just hedging their bets on the RB from Bama?

Ron Utah

May 29th, 2015 at 3:35 PM ^

  1. There may be more attrition.  Green, Smith, and Isaac were all highly-ranked recruits and it's probable one of them is pushed out of the regular rotation.  Furthermore, there may be attrition at other positions...
  2. There is a definite possibility that Kingston Davis, who has offers from almost everyone and interest from everyone else, will flip.
  3. Harbaugh has a history of taking great athletes and moving them around.  He is looking for the best football players--almost regardless of position--and will find a place for them on the field.  This used to be how everyone recruited (before 17-year-olds were almost 300 lbs. and clearly established as linemen for life) and Harabugh has had success with it.  High School RBs are often the best athletes on their team, and many could have collegiate success at RB, FB, WR, TE, LB, S, and even DE or DB.  Expect to see lots more position changes than we saw with Hoke.  Having these mulit-purpose players also allows you to cover for unexpected (and expected) attrition.

alum96

May 29th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^

Yes on #2.  Another reason it is difficult to recruit the south / west.  Even with an under the radar guy like Davis, if regional programs get involved later it's a lot more options - closer to home - for a kid.

I would doubt this class has 3-4 RBs in the end as there are dire needs elsewhere - and a lot of them in the back 7 on D especially, but it is smart to keep recruiting every position until Feb 2016 as people can flip away just as easily as they flip to you.

MGoBlue24

May 30th, 2015 at 11:00 AM ^

Please delete zejesama's account and lovely offer for us "to make cash right now." I was just fuming over two consecutive robocalls, then I see this. Rough morning on the grid.