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Punt/Counterpunt: Western Michigan 2021 Comment Count

Seth September 4th, 2021 at 7:21 AM

Western Michigan things: Preview, Podcast, 2021 Season Preview

Something's been missing from Michigan gamedays since the free programs ceased being economically viable: scientific gameday predictions that are not at all preordained by the strictures of a column in which one writer takes a positive tack and the other a negative one… something like Punt-Counterpunt.

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PUNT

By Bryan MacKenzie
@Bry_Mac

The Monty Hall problem used to bother me quite a bit.

For those who are unfamiliar with the Monty Hall problem, it is named after the host of the long-running game show Let’s Make a Deal. And if you are like me, it will make your brain itch.

Imagine you are presented with three identical doors. Behind one of the doors is a new car. Behind each of the other two doors is a gag prize, like a goat or season tickets to Northwestern basketball. You are asked to select one of the three doors. After you announce your choice, the host (who knows which door contains the car) opens one of the two remaining doors to reveal a goat. He then offers you the chance to either (a) switch to the remaining unopened door, or (b) stick with your original choice.

Intuitively, the answer is simple. There are two unopened doors, so the odds of either door are the same at 50/50. So it doesn’t matter, right?

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Except… that’s wrong. You’re twice as likely to win the car if you switch doors.

[After THE JUMP: What’s a letter?]

If you just yelled at the screen, I don’t blame you. When Parade magazine ran a version of the Monty Hall problem in 1990 with the correct answer (that switching was much better mathematically), they received more than 10,000 angry letters* ⁠— nearly 1,000 of which were signed by Ph.D’s ⁠— explaining to the author (literally the smartest woman in the world) that she was wrong. But she wasn’t. The math checks out. Switching is objectively, empirically, demonstrably better.

*NOTE: a “letter” is an email that is printed onto a piece of paper and then physically sent to another person.

Now, some of you might just accept that answer and move on with your lives. Some might want it explained, but once it’s explained, would move on with your lives. Some might disagree with the answer, but not care, and move on with your lives.

But I went through a period where my brain remembered the answer, but also retained the lizard brain reaction that the answer was dumb. And I would have to sit down and work it out again in my head before I could move on.

You see, sometimes stuff gets stuck in my head that I can’t square. These are known as veridical paradoxes; things which seem absurd but are demonstrably true. Like the fact that the universe is 13.7 billion years old, and nothing can travel faster than light, but the observable universe is 93 billion light years across. Or the idea that if you have 23 people in a room, the odds that two of them will share the same birthday is 50/50. Or the fact that Mike DeBord was hired as an offensive coordinator for a Power 5 football team in TWO THOUSAND FREEKING TWENTY-ONE.

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I get it. I know objectively that Jim Harbaugh’s tenure at Michigan has been fine. Hell, it’s been good. Even if you include last year’s 2-4 record, he has won 69% of his games. He’s 34-16 in conference, a 68% mark. That’s a better conference record than James Franklin. It’s a better conference record than Mark Dantonio. It’s significantly better than Kirk Ferentz, and more than a win and a half per season better than Pat Fitzgerald. He’s been way, WAY better than the two guys who came before him. And I look around at the clown shows at places like Tennessee and Florida State and Nebraska, and I try to remind myself how poorly these things can go, and what “disappointing” REALLY looks like.

I’m not an entirely unreasonable person. I can watch my favorite team lose a hockey game and convince myself “eh, I’m not mad, because we win that game most of the time except for puck luck,” and carry on. If my favorite baseball team wins 68% of its games, I’m probably thrilled. I can watch a mediocre team shoot 65% from three, shrug my shoulders and declare, “stuff happens.”

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But football is not a thinkin’ fan’s sport. It’s a lizard brain sport. I don’t want my team to be statistically improved. I want smashing destruction. Complete defenestration. I want trophies and banners and parades. I want my enemies prostrate before me as I chug their beers and eat the best of their nachos. The good nachos towards the top center (but not right in the center, where there is too much sour cream). And thus far, we remain nacholess.

The one problem with the Monty Hall analogy is that in the Monty Hall problem, you know there is a car behind one of the doors. You can improve your chances of finding it with some strategies, and while at the end of the day you can make the “right” move and still lose (or make the “wrong” move and still win), there is a prize (and only one prize) to be won. In this game, there’s always a chance that all the doors are goats. Or all the doors are cars.

We’ll find out in 2021. I’m optimistic… but I wouldn’t bet on it. Michigan 28, Western Michigan 21.

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COUNTERPUNT

By Internet Raj
@internetraj

Few things in life are as physically and mentally taxing as living in an apartment building with a too-small garbage chute. If you’re unfamiliar with living in multistory apartment buildings, particularly those in densely populated cities, the communal garbage chute presents itself on the surface as a welcoming, luxurious convenience – after all, it’s much easier to toss your trash bag into a chute in your hallway than to trek to the dumpster in the basement or parking garage. 

The problem, though, lies in the fact that apartment building engineers around the world at some point conspired en masse to beta test some new feature of hell using the garbage chute, a Rock of Sisyphus of late-stage capitalism: every single garbage chute you will ever use is designed with cold precision to the same grisly dimensions – 90% of whatever size trash bag you happen to be carrying.

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Even Izzo isn't fitting in there

Week after week, you lug a hulking trash bag to the chute, so filled to the brim that the flimsy Glad brand handle ties dig deeply into your skin, leaving an indelible red-ringed brand of self-inflicted shame across your index and ring fingers. 

Week after week, your trash bag will be larger than the chute opening, sometimes by orders of magnitude. Your brain will register this fundamental principle of physics as you pull the bag out of your kitchen trash can. However, caught in the throes of the “take-out-the garbage-procrastination” that will ultimately spell your doom, you will also promptly and recklessly disregard that very fact.

Week after week you convince yourself that this time it’ll fit.

Week after week, you approach the chute with an ill-advised optimism that betrays your better judgement. 

Week after week, you try to stuff that monstrosity of a bag—one whose mutant polyhedral shape is defined by disgusting, jagged protrusions that dangerously test the trash bag’s “heavy duty” rating—down a chute that somehow seems to shrink with each unathletic shove.

Week after week, you huff and you puff as you try to jam that bag down the chute. You constantly reorient the bag, playing a sort of nauseating, malformed clone of Tetris, but at some point the angular force of your futile twisting finally causes a protruding plastic fork, toilet paper roll, or some random piece of blister packaging to puncture the bag.

The structural integrity of a Greg Robinson 3-3-5

And there it is. Week after week, a majestic arc of disgusting garbage ooze splatters all over you. Trash debris begin to spill out haphazardly at your feet. You begin to question every minor life decision that conspired to bring you to this exact moment.

“I’ll do better next week,” you tell yourself. 

You will not.

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For over a decade, I’ve been hauling what has mostly been overstuffed, gross maize and blue trash on a weekly basis with unearned optimism. First it was Rich Rod, then it was Brady Hoke, and finally it was Jim Harbaugh. Devastating losses to Michigan State. Routine blowouts at the hand of Ohio State. Crossing route after crossing route pulverizing whatever 3-star Don Brown recruited from Massachusetts with tighter hips than a Deloitte consultant who hasn’t been able to touch his toes since the Presidential Fitness Test. Whatever it’s been, it’s been almost uniformly bad.

Yet here I am. I’m ready for more. I filled up my trash bag and boy is it a bulky monstrosity. And you bet I’m brimming with unfounded optimism. A younger coaching staff injecting energy and intensity into the team. A returning quarterback oozing leadership. A seemingly revitalized Jim Harbaugh fighting for his coaching life and ready to leave everything on the line.

I’m walking with an annoying pep in my step towards the chute that is the 2021 football season. All I see right now is a dominating week one win, a commanding win against MSU, and a shocking upset of Ohio State, all en route to Indy. Will my joyful exuberance be repaid in kind by a splattering of toxic sludge? Maybe, but you’ll never know until you try to squeeze that nasty bag in. And I just don’t know better.

LFG

Michigan 54, Western Michigan 3

Comments

Blue Vet

September 4th, 2021 at 7:38 AM ^

The Monty Hall Problem and trash bag conundrums — who's got it better than us?

Seriously. How many fan blogs, even in a world of what now feels like an infinity of blogs, are as fascinating as MGoBlog?

 

Blueroller

September 4th, 2021 at 11:10 AM ^

Whatever happens on the football field, Michigan is always number one in both the quality and quantity of words written about football, thanks mostly to this blog. There is, however, an inherent downside with Punt/Counterpunt: the possibility that reading this post will be the highlight of the day, and it's all downhill from here. If so, so be it. Damn the BPONE! Go Blue!

Hugh White

September 4th, 2021 at 7:45 AM ^

For clarification:  “For centuries, from the Gospel of Matthew to the bleachers in Wrigley Field, nobody wanted to be the goat. Then, sometime in the last ten years, everything changed. Being the goat—or, more precisely, the G.O.A.T.—became the ultimate in athletic achievement. It confuses us old-timers when we hear it. Truly, it does.”

 

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2018/07/23/goat-vs-greatest-of-all-time-debate-history

gtwill

September 4th, 2021 at 7:45 AM ^

The writing is just so good in this segment. Part of my Gameday preparation for sure. 
 

Go Blue! Hope is alive! (According to George Constanza it’s also a killer) 

WormWould

September 4th, 2021 at 7:54 AM ^

A little short on football content, and a tad long on "verbal noodling". Ya know, these were like the verbal version of Jerry Garcia d*cking around on his guitar for a few hours in front of thousands of people. But some people are into that. To each their own.

 

More importantly, my absolute favorite version of a "veridical paradox" is Gabriel's Horn. I'll give a very brief overview, and encourage everyone to read some more on it (let's be real: most will turn to youtube instead, and that's a-ok.)

 

Here's the idea: We can take a curve on the cartesian plane and rotate it around an axis, creating a 3 dimensional shape. And we can then calculate both the volume and the surface area of this shape. Thanks, calculus. It's really kinda mind-blowing that we can do so - and all the other things it enables us to do.

 

So, back to the paradox in question: If you graph the curve of the functions f(x) = 1/x, it creates a nice curve that comes dropping precipitously from just to the right of the y-axis, and then right before crashing into the x-axis, it makes a quick turn to the right (and I imagine some drifting takes place, *just for style*.) It gets perilously close to the axis, but never, EVER colliding with it. You can follow it out, as x gets larger and larger, always verging on infinity but never reaching it, the curve gets closer and closer and closer to the x-axis - but never the twain shall meet.

 

Now, all we have to do from there, is chop the first part of the curve off, the precipitous drop from x = 0 to x = 1, but we're going to allow it to continue out for all time and eternity. Now, we're going to spin that around the x-axis to create a horn-looking object. This, indeed, is the proverbial "Gabriel's Horn". Not only is it pretty, but it creates a paradox so utterly baffling, I still get overwhelmed trying to contemplate it.

 

Are you ready? (Uh, no; no, you're not.) OK, take a deep breath and sit down before you read the following. This is what makes the shape so utterly astounding: The volume of said horn is finite, that is, it's a specific measurable amount. While, on the other hand, the surface area of this magical shape, is INFINITE. It's freaking INFINITE! Try wrapping your head around that one... but not too much, given that the surface area is infinite, wrapping your head around it could lead to your brain melting, or exploding, or disintegrating, - or all of the above, simultaneously. (In fact, several famous mathematicians have gone insane trying to comprehend infinity and all of it's characteristics and implications, so I'd urge not to go too far with this, espcially after a therepeutic dose of ketamine.)

BigJohn

September 4th, 2021 at 8:05 AM ^

It sounds like we need to start putting a reasonable amount of trash in the bag(expectations)or we need to fix the bigger problem and recruit better(more money and warmer weather). Bryan did say football is not a thinking man's sport. I think we just need to be patient and wait for global warning to really kick in. When the migration from the south to the Upper Peninsula starts UM Football will be king again. Until then, enjoy above average football. 

DonAZ

September 4th, 2021 at 8:19 AM ^

There is a lesson to be learned about expectations; or more specifically, about not allowing the thought to take hold that we can affect outcomes where we have no direct control.

My cousin graduated from Purdue.  He has a very comfortable outlook when it comes to Purdue football.  He likes it when they win, and he is okay when they don't.  It's a Saturday distraction, and little more.

I know Ohio State fans that are so wrapped up in their team winning it all that the slightest setback -- even a game where they win but don't dominate -- is like a crushing blow.  I don't see much happiness in those people.

"Until then, enjoy average football" ... yes, yes indeed!

bronxblue

September 4th, 2021 at 8:12 AM ^

Great stuff.  I too don't accept math in the wild, such as the time I stared at a Bean Machine, featuring ping pong balls like The Price Is Right, for hours and thinking it was still rigged that it kept producing normal distributions.

This season feels like it's going to underwhelm, whelm, or overwhelm everyone and no two people will have the same experience.

 

DonAZ

September 4th, 2021 at 8:14 AM ^

But football is not a thinkin’ fan’s sport. It’s a lizard brain sport. I don’t want my team to be statistically improved. I want smashing destruction. Complete defenestration.

I started following Michigan football in 1973.  I've been to a number of games, and watched countless more.  What's my favorite kind of game?  It should be the close, competitive nail-biters where Michigan prevails.  But those are stressful.  No, my lizard brain prefers the 56-0 blowouts where Michigan is seemingly invincible.  That the opponent is a cupcake registers only a little in my lizard brain, the thrill of domination eclipses that bit of rational thought.

I posted yesterday I think today's game will be a 42-10 affair, with Michigan gaining 500+ yards in offense.  I did not arrive at that with my upper cortex.  It was a purely lizard brain conclusion.

Todd92

September 4th, 2021 at 8:17 AM ^

At this point, I'll be happy if we don't have 5 illegal procedures, burn 4 timeouts trying to get plays/personnel in or blow a coverage allowing an easy 80 yd TD.   BPONE has been replaced with indifference.  Last year sucked the last breath of enthusiasm away.

DonAZ

September 4th, 2021 at 8:45 AM ^

Sometimes the trend line is more satisfying that the intermediate result.  To your point, what I'm hoping for are indications that the trend line is positive.  A line that suggests that player mistakes and coaching errors are on the decline would be very encouraging; it would offer some hope that perhaps good things are coming. 

I'm hoping that we start to see some indication that offensive game plan is flexible; that it takes into account the perceived weak spots in the opponents' defense; that "establishing the run game" (a point of emphasis from Gattis) does not manifest as repeated off-tackle runs that yield little, forcing 3rd and long time after time.

dragonchild

September 4th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^

I'd be OK with the occasional penalty or time-out or blown coverage, even front-loaded.  They can be down 17-3 at the half to Western effin' Michigan.  They know our weaknesses; Harbaugh's going to ignore theirs.  It's humans them thar playing out there; first-game jitters happen.

What's going to break my heart is when, with 48 seconds left in the half down 17-3 deep in WMU territory, they're going to run 27 seconds off the clock to line up in a Villari wildcat, get a false start penalty (fine), call timeout (fine), line back out into the same wildcat formation, and get 2 yards.

Perkis-Size Me

September 4th, 2021 at 8:27 AM ^

Goddamn I’ve missed you, Raj. I’ve missed the both of you. 

No matter how bad or good the team is in any given year, I always love to read what you both have to say before any given game. This is the kind of writing that separates MGoBlog from the rest of the pack. 

VaUMWolverine

September 4th, 2021 at 8:29 AM ^

Gotta tell ya, this is the first “punt/counter punt” I’ve ever read. It won’t be the last. Well done guys. I am right there with you…as well as the millions of other Go Blue’ers….GO BLUE!

yossarians tree

September 4th, 2021 at 8:54 AM ^

Two salient points.

Believe it was Craig Ross on the podcast who helped simplify all this for me. You take Michigan football in its totality: the tradition, the history, the pageantry of game day, the memories, the friends and family, the players, the majestic stadium. And you LOVE it. You cheer your guts out for the boys and dream of that rare big season. You rejoice in the victories as we climb toward 1,000. You eat the losses like rotten meat. And in six days you come back and do it all again. You are infected. You are a fan, and you will always be a fan. So you accept the risks and get on the ride. Always, Go Blue!

Also, smaller trash bags.

Eng1980

September 4th, 2021 at 9:05 AM ^

Monte Hall - imagine a choice of 10 doors and you pick one.  Then you can switch and take the other 9.  Would you take the other nine?

You know at least of 8 of the nine have nothing or a booby prize so the host showing you that there is nothing behind 8 of the other 9 doors is NOT new information.

The trick is, you think you have acquired more information but they actually showed you something you already know.

RobSk

September 4th, 2021 at 9:06 AM ^

I got a dumb question:

I may have screwed up bad. I got tickets on stubhub in section 25, row 59, seats 24,25,26. According to the michigan website, part of section 25 is students. It says it starts "above the aisle break". Can somebody that's been to more games recently tell me - Is section 25, row 59 in the student section or not? 

sambora114

September 4th, 2021 at 9:15 AM ^

This blog is fantastic; the professional writers and the amazing civilian contributors. Love this feature and thank you to Bryan and Raj for another year. Let's make a deal paradox gets me every time and now I'm a confirmed door switch proponent.

Go Blue! 

bluewave720

September 4th, 2021 at 9:38 AM ^

I woke up this morning defeated. 
I work in healthcare, monitor all of our practice’s pts with Covid, and this past week we were understaffed and Covid is once again surging. For the first time in a long while, I drank last night, a lot, and knew it was literally the best call I could make.

I woke up this morning hungover, headache, craving carbs, unsteady on my feet. The whole 9. 
MSU has a great RB, OSU will never lose, I will still have read shit about Scott Frost for at least a few more months . . . the world is like at the end of the movie Seven. You hope in your heart it’s still a beautiful place, but only a voiceover from Morgan Freeman could start to convince you. 
Then I read these two pieces. The skill and wit on demonstration makes me remember that the world does, in fact, still have nachos. We/I will will eventually get them again. 
Thanks, gents (tips hat)

The Purple Helmet

September 4th, 2021 at 9:47 AM ^

I really REALLY appreciate you and those who do what you do.

Particularly because 30% of the country is lizard-brained knuckled-dragging Trumpers who are taking down the whole damn thing, one stupid after another, and they are arrogant about it.

Fight on, drink on, and thank you!

Naked Bootlegger

September 4th, 2021 at 10:02 AM ^

And this is why I keep coming back to MGoBlog.   Brilliant Punt/Counterpunt.    How you can both encapsulate our collective fanbase psyche from different creative angles is amazing beyond words.  Thanks for you contributions.