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Rivals100 Update: Clark, Cole Move Up

Rivals updated their 2015 top 100 today, and one of the biggest risers on the entire list is a Michigan commit. After excelling at the Rivals elite invite-only camp, TE Chris Clark vaulted up 90 spots to #56 overall, where he's in a dead heat with UCLA commit Alize Jones for the honor of top-ranked tight end:

Clark had a fantastic showing at the Rivals100 Five-Star Challenge Presented by Under Armour in Baltimore. He is a complete tight end, not just a glorified receiver. His film shows that he is an excellent blocker. In Baltimore, Clark showed that he can run and catch like a hybrid tight end. There was a heated debate about whether he should be the top tight end in the country, over Alize Jones. The two are ranked No. 55 and No. 56 in the country and the smallest of differences were part of an extensive discussion. -- Friedman

Also mentioned among the top risers on the list is NC SDE Darian Roseboro, who many feel will be a Wolverine—myself included—when he announces his college choice on August 29th. He rose 37 spots to #42 overall, just 12 spots away from five-star status:

Roseboro is a defensive end in a defensive tackle's body and that's a good thing. He has the explosiveness and nose for the ball one hopes for in a defensive end and the size of a defensive tackle. Roseboro has the natural ability to play with good leverage as well. This helps him anchor down against the run. -- Friedman

Aside from Clark, Michigan has two other commits in the top 100: CB Garrett Taylor, who stayed put at #48 overall, and WR Brian Cole, who moved up from #106 to #89. (Cole's nearly caught up to former commit George Campbell; the one-time five-star slid to #78, as concerns about his hands continue to hurt his stock.)

Also of note: Michigan's top-ranked remaining target, CA WDE Keisean Lucier-South, climbed five spots to #30 overall, earning him the final five-star designation on the list.

While RB commit Mike Weber didn't crack the list despite being ranked at #103 the last time around, it's doubtful he drops much, if at all—after strong showings at multiple camps, he's impressing Rivals Midwest analyst Josh Helmholdt in fall camp:

The full Rivals250 and further rankings updates will be out this week.

[Hit THE JUMP for updates on a couple Cass Tech prospects, Asmar Bilal, Michigan's pursuit of a top-five 2016 prospect, basketball recruiting, and more.]

Cass Tech Visitors

Weber attended the open scrimmage on Saturday night, accompanied by his 2016 teammate, four-star CB LaVert Hill, who told 247's Clint Brewster it was a "real cool visit." The younger brother of M safety Delano Hill has been on campus three times in less than a month; he pulled in a Michigan offer in June, and he'll be back in Ann Arbor for the season opener.

If you're thinking Michigan is the likely destination for Hill whenever he decides to end his recruitment, you're probably correct.

Unfortunately, the Wolverines have more work to do to be in the same position for Hill's Cass Tech classmate, four-star OL/DT Michael Onwenu. The massive (6'2", 310) junior maintains Ohio State as his leader despite pulling in a Michigan offer at the BBQ—the Buckeyes offered first, which helped them in this situation—and per 11W's Mike Rockstedt, he's being recruited by good friend and incoming Buckeye freshman Damon Webb:

Onewu's teammates at Cass Tech, Joshua Alabi (Ohio State) and Mike Weber (Michigan), are actively recruiting him to their prospective schools. They have been talking to him about the potential of them playing together and continuing pipelines to Michigan and Ohio State.

There is one thing Michigan lacks, and that is ace recruiter Damon Webb. "Me and Damon Webb are good friends," Onwenu said of their relationship. "He is telling me to never be satisfied and always stay hungry. He told me that if I went to go to a school that is dedicated to me, I should come to Ohio State."

Onwenu said he grew up rooting for Michigan and MSU, and there should be a heated battle for his signature among the rival schools.

Bilal Down To Two

Four-star IN prospect Asmar Bilal has emerged as seemingly the most likely candidate to fill Michigan's 2015 hole at outside linebacker, and he told The Wolverine's Brandon Brown that his recruitment is down to Michigan and Notre Dame ($):

"It's pretty much just Michigan and Notre Dame for me," Bilal revealed. "Neither of them have an edge right now. I don't have any type of leader at this point, I'm still completely undecided."

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"I'm not sure if I'll need to visit Michigan or Notre Dame this fall or not," he explained. "I might if I haven't decided by then. I'm not sure when I will make my decision right now. Hopefully I can figure out a date soon. I doubt that it will be during August but I'd like it to be soon."

That article posted on Friday, so presumably the interview occurred before the Notre Dame academic scandal came to light—there was no discussion of it in the article, at least. It's unclear if/how that will affect Bilal's decision. Former Michigan commit and current ND pledge Shaun Crawford told TomVH that the investigation "has no impact" on his recruitment.

2016 Updates: M In Frequent Contact With Rashan Gary

Per 247's Steve Wiltfong, Michigan's Roy Manning is putting a lot of effort into recruiting five-star 2016 NJ DT Rashan Gary, the #4 overall player in his class, and Gary's transfer to a new school could also help out the Wolverines ($):

When talking to the staff at Paramus Catholic, perhaps the coach Gary talks to the most frequently is Roy Manning at Michigan. The jewel of the Wolverines 2014 signing class hails from Paramus Catholic in freshman defensive back Jabrill Peppers, and the Maize and Blue also inked four-star offensive tackle Juwan Bushell-Beatty from the same school as well. Gary just transferred to Paramus Catholic so while he didn’t play with those guys, head coach Brady Hoke and his staff have earned a lot of trust and respect from the Paladins program.

Gary, who's receiving interest from just about every major national program, hasn't yet narrowed the focus of his recruitment; it sounds like Michigan is positioned well, however, and making such inroads at an emerging talent factory like Paramus Catholic is a major positive whether or not it ultimately nets them Gary.

Top-50 WI OT Ben Bredeson has Michigan among four schools that currently stand out to him, per Brown ($):

If Wisconsin isn't a lock they are likely the team to beat but at least three other schools are sticking out to Bredeson right now.

"I don't really have a set top group yet," Bredeson admitted. "But the ones that have stuck out to me are Wisconsin, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Ohio State. I mean those are kind of my big ones and I've been to all of those so that helps. 

Wisconsin has the advantages of being the in-state school and having a great recent track record with their offensive lines; Michigan has a family connection now that Bredeson's older brother, Jack, committed to the baseball team while the family was in town for the BBQ.

Brown also caught up with four-star PA TE Naseir Upshur, who's still in the early stages of his recruitment—he plans to cut his list to 15 at the end of his junior season. That said, early returns are good; Upshur said he was "very impressed" by Michigan, but not so much by the top in-state program ($):

A special trip must be arranged for Upshur to check out Ann Arbor, but that is definitely not the case for the in-state Nittany Lions. New head coach James Franklin has been on a tear on the recruiting trail but may have dropped the ball a bit with Upshur.

"My feel on Penn State...it's okay," Upshur admitted. "I feel like it could really be better. They waited a long time to offer me. I've been to the school and I've seen them a couple of times and I was excited to get that offer. I just need to go down there with my parents and see how they feel about it."

He mentioned Maryland and South Carolina as destinations for fall game visits, and he'll "try and come" to a Michigan game, as well.

Hoops Updates

I forgot to mention this in the last update: 2016 commit Jon Teske went from unranked on 247 up to #105 overall (#12 center). He was already due for a bump up to four stars on Scout when they do their next re-rank; it would not surprise if Rivals and ESPN followed suit. Beilein talent identification FTW.

Michigan remained a constant as 2016 five-star PG Derryck Thornton Jr.'s father updated Scout's Josh Gerson on the schools that are recruiting his son the hardest ($):

In May, Derryck Thornton, Sr. told Scout.com that five schools were recruiting his son the hardest - Kentucky, Michigan, California, USC and UConn.

That list is now at six, with some changes.

"Kentucky, Michigan, Duke, Miami, California and Louisville are recruiting him the hardest," Thornton, Sr. said, adding that UCLA, Arizona, USC and Florida are also seriously pursuing his son.

The elder Thornton added that they'll "definitely" visit for a football game this fall.

Four-star 2016 Detroit Jesuit PG Cassius Winston visited campus last week with his father, per The Wolverine's Chris Balas ($):

"There are great people up there," Reg Winston [Cassius' father] said. "That's a good program with good coaches. We like them a lot. 

Happy trails to 2015 four-star SG Prince Ali, who committed to UCLA on Saturday.

Comments

carlos spicywiener

August 18th, 2014 at 2:06 PM ^

how does the latest product off the Cass Tech CB assembly line (Hill) stack up to previous models (particularly Lewis and Ohio State's Webb)?

Also, is there a 2015 Cass Tech CB out there? First year that I can recall in a while that they didn't have a hot prospect at CB

Ace

August 18th, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^

...so it's pretty early to say. After their sophomore years, Lewis had been a backup behind Terry Richardson and Delonte Hollowell, while Webb was just transferring to Cass Tech from U-D Jesuit. He's a little below where those two ended up ranked (especially Webb), but as I said, there's not a ton to go on yet for comparison's sake.

Bigku22

August 18th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

Not gonna lie, after some high profile misses and decommitments (Hand, Harris, Campbell) I know a lot of people (myself included) were really down on recruiting. However, this class is shaping up REAL nice. If we can finish up with Roseboro and KLS, we've put together a legit group of high level talent for a small class. I will give it to Hoke, the man can sell Michigan. To go 7-6 and have a lot of negative attention around the program yet still be able to pull this type of class. The guy may not be an elite in-game coach, but I would find it hard to see another coach/staff that has done a better job in recruiting this year give the circumstances. Criticize Hoke all you want on a number of issues, but not recruiting. The guy is an elite recruiter and has built a staff of other top level recruiters. (Especially now that Borges is gone)

True Blue Grit

August 18th, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^

They're damned good players.  But, right now I'd say Campbell is no loss.  Cole is just about as highly rated, and we got a super-value player in Freddy Canteen who will help us right away.  And from the scrimmage, it sounds like our DL is trending way up.  Sure, I'd have loved to have Hand also.  But, we'll be fine especially if we can pull in Roseboro and KLS.  And getting Ty Isaac and Mike Weber has made me not worry about Harris any more. 

So, I also agree about Hoke.  He and his staff have done a fantastic job in recruiting.  As good as  we've seen since the glory years

DCAlum

August 18th, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^

1. I like Cole more.

 

2. I think if Campbell had stayed with us, we wouldn't have gotten Cole.

 

3. If we don't get Cole, he goes to MSU or OSU most likely...whereas Campbell is probably going to stay down south. 

 

That means we upgraded, plus deprived our rivals of a great player. Sounds like a win-win to me.

alum96

August 18th, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^

Harris is looking like a loss but if someone offered you Weber + Isaac 6 months ago OR Harris I think most of us would take the former.

Campbell had issues with his hands when he committed and still has issues with his hands.  If he was 6'1 instead of 6'5 I think he'd be a heat missle safety but it is hard to convert him to safety at that size.  We have a ton of depth at WR right now, so its a crowded position and an area we could miss on.

If we get Lewis the UF commit over the kid we lost to ND I'd consider it a win on paper due to size all other things being equal.

Hand was a big loss as was McDowell.  Elite DEs is the one thing this defense lacks.  The one place I look ahead 1-2 years and see depth issues are the DEs.  Unlike the DTs where we have depth and youth, we lose 2 seniors and bring back Poggi/Charlton/Mario O/Marshall and that is is in terms of true DEs.  As of today no one is proven as a difference maker of those 4 - Charlton flashed a little and Poggi is a mystery.  Maybe we push Wormley out there.  But the depth is lacking and that is where Hand would have fit in perfect this year and next.  McDowell seems like Wormley in that MSU is going to play him inside and outside - wherever they have a need - they are pretty loaded at DE right now so he seems to be a DT at this point.

It is critical we get at last 1 DE and preferably 2 in this class to replenish that pipeline at end.  With the reality that some of these guys are going to wash out we need more prospects.  I am sure the coaches were blind sided by Hand as everything was trending our way until very late so getting 2 in this class helps alleviate the depth issues coming down the pike there - they were targeting 2 last year and only got 1. And we need Marshall to be a hit not a miss.

So Roseboro + Wheatley/KLS (I don't see Wheatley as a TE as he is already 260 lbs and is 12 months away from hitting a college campus)

Dr. Explosion

August 18th, 2014 at 4:44 PM ^

Other than Peppers, who obviously looks like he will live up to the hype, most of the highly rated recruits Hoke has pulled in have not performed commensurate with their respective ranking. Granted, it is still early, and some kids take a little longer to bloom (especially linemen), but I think a pessimist could make a pretty strong case that Hoke's recruiting has not been as strong as the rankings might lead one to believe.

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

Only Peppers?  So you think Funchess hasn't lived up to his billing?  How about Jourdan Lewis.  Sure sounds like Joe Bolden is doing his part, as have Jake Butt and (reportedly) Darboh as well.  Also, a lot of the less heralded recruits Hoke has brought in have well out-performed their rankings, such as 3 stars Frank Clark, Willie Henry, and Taco Charlton.

Outside of the few guys that were thrown into the end of that 2011 class (like Clark and Heitzman), the oldest Hoke recruits will be starting their third season this fall so for most of them, it's a little early to say whether they've lived up to their rankings or not.  Hell, after 2 seasons people were saying Brandon Graham was a bust.  Not every star is a star in their first year or two.

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^

If we only count 5 stars then there aren't many of those to discuss, and he said highly-rated so I took that to mean 4 stars and above.  The only 5 stars on the team are Peppers, Kalis, Green and Pipkins, and those two have only had 2 seasons under their belts, one of which Kalis redshirted and one of which Pipkins mostly spent injured.  Green had a decent frosh year, but that's not enough to say anything.  I think Scout had Dymonte Thomas as a 5-star, but we knew he was a great athlete who was very raw in technique.  

So that sample size is pretty small.  As for non-4 stars who had offers from everyone, I would include Magnuson, Poggi, Lewis, maybe Hurst (he was a M-OSU battle), Jarrod Wilson (came down to M, PSU and ND), certainly Mason Cole, Bosch, Tuley-Tillman, Kugler, Dawson.  Most of those guys are too young to make a judgment on yet.

Dr. Explosion

August 19th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

I haven't seen enough from any of the other guys to say that they are REALLY good players. And, in fairness to me, I said that some guys take time to bloom, etc. However, the original comment was that Hoke is some sort of super recruiter and, other than the rankings, there really isn't much evidence of that YET.

schreibee

August 19th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

Recruiting and talent development are two separate things. You can question the development of these players - and caveats about it being early aside, that is what you are doing Doc Ex - but you can't really quibble about whether the recruitment itself has been excellent.

After last season, and a ho-hum '12 as well, to be pulling in a class that is at or very near the top in composite stars is nothing but impressive. Really, there's no other valid point of view, it isn't worthy of the time and breath it would take to debate it.

NOW- developing that talent is really the more important part of the job (ahem-Dantonio/Narduzzi), in my opinion anyway. If you're looking for things to burst people's bubbles about, that's where you can effectively focus your spears, Doc

blueblueblue

August 18th, 2014 at 2:37 PM ^

The presence Alabama has on the Rivals list is unnerving. They have also had the #1 class according to Rivals from 2008 - 2015, excluding 2010 (they had #5 class that year). I wonder if throughout history we have ever seen another period of dominance in recruiting that Alabama has accomplished in the past several years? 

Mr Miggle

August 18th, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^

I have a hard time thinking of anything practical. Salary caps and drafts are the primary tools of the pro leagues. The NCAA could move to smaller scholarship limits or not allow teams to reuse the scholarships of players who leave early. There's good reason not to like those ideas.

alum96

August 18th, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^

Isnt the SEC's main advantage - other than access to kids who are in weather where they play all year - the 1 year scholarship issue?  Could the NCAA make it uniform across the country to go to 4 year scholarships?  That would help even the playing field.  But I have no idea if that is something the NCAA has jurisdiction over.

Basically in the south if you don't pan out for 2 yrs, your scholarship is gone whereas in the north/west/midwest you stick on a roster for 4 years taking up a spot the SEC teams rotate right back out to new recruits.  Then they effectively have way more than 85 potential hits over a 4 year time frame - more like 110 as they seem to flush out 6-7 kids out of every class.

Farnn

August 18th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

Much easier way to do this is to cap scholarships per year instead of have an overall cap of 85.  Give teams 23 players per year, which gives you 92 over 4 years, then you factor in a few players not staying 4 years and a few staying for 5 and you should be pretty close to the current 85 with teams being incentivised to keep players around instead of replacing them. 

Only issue I see is how you handle giving open scholarships to walk-ons if someone leaves the team.

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^

That's the best proposal. The walk-on thing isn't a huge deal - there aren't that many who get scholarships anyway, but what you would do is any year where you don't get 23 guys or one of your 23 doesn't make it to campus for whatever reason you could give that scholarship to a walk on. The nice thing there is the walk on would keep it until he graduated, not just a one year thing.

blueblueblue

August 18th, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^

Yeah, I dont know. I am not sure its so much about scholarship #s but more about exposure, primariy national TV coverage, perhaps secondarily internet coverage on sites such as ESPN. The more popular programs get more coverage, and the more those teams win, the more coverage they get. And then the more popular they become wth recruits. Its a vicious cycle, and I have no idea how to fix that. 

aiglick

August 18th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^

Chicken and the egg. You need good recruits to have great results. You need great results to get great recruits. If you outperform expectations that might help in recruiting. If Purdue ever were to get a nine win season they'd probably do pretty well with recruiting. Not sure that Purdue and Alabama are a fair comparison as Purdue does not have the history and intangible benefits of an Alabama but Texas might be a better comparison in terms of similar level of programs. I wonder if their recruiting has fallen of some. I know Texas AM's can't be good for their efforts.

alum96

August 18th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^

Flipping through the TV yesterday there was some camp ? The Opening? I don't know.  But I just happened to stop on it when they were showing Bama's class and it was ridiculous.  Something like 6 of the top 50 players.  It was a full a screen.

But really as Michigan fans worrying about Alabama is the last of our issues.  We are not at a level of competing with them.  If we were 11-1 or 10-2 every year and a step away from the NC game then we can have this hand wringing.  We have plenty of talent to get to the playoffs now - so we need to get there and compete for Big 10 championships every year, then we can start worrying about Bama.  They are not even in our radar right now.

getsome

August 18th, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^

its not even close.  usc had a nice little run but no one else would even be mentioned in same sentence as bama in this "recruiting era."  i think it was spurrier who recently called saban the best recruiter ever, and that dude does not throw out compliments easily.  and its 100% merited.  bama brings in the nations best talent every year  (illegal benefits/practices aside - which every program can offer by the way - bama still beats out every other team for best players),  those players then enter sabans insane factory, and spit out the other end as league / national champions and nfl draft picks.  bamas run is unprecedented (some may argue uk in basketball but they dont have the trophies yet to match)

schreibee

August 19th, 2014 at 2:24 PM ^

Strikes me that USC was nearly that dominant through the Leinart-Bush years and up until the obvious became too obvious for the NCAA to ignore any longer.

Alabama/Saban have the advantage now in that the NCAA has essentially thrown in the towel on enforcement, and even good people like those on this site are questioning the importance and validity of it anyway.

First, they'll need to lose a couple more games on the field to lose a bit of luster, then another SEC team will have to outbid them a few times, then it will look like the "Tide" is turning... so to speak!

MGolem

August 18th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

What bill of goods is Damon Webb being sold? If you want to go somewhere that really cares about you go to OSU?! All I ever hear regarding Michigan is how they treat everyone like family. I know I have maize and blue colored glasses on but nothing about OSU suggests they care about anything other than winning.

WolvinLA2

August 18th, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^

But how on Earth would you know what the OSU coaches/players really care about? They've been recruiting really well lately too, so maybe they aren't all just a bunch of assholes? Just because they're our rivals doesn't mean they don't have anything to offer.