Is Michigan Splitting Carries Too Much? Comment Count

Brendan Roose July 22nd, 2021 at 3:45 PM

A core tenet of basic economic theory is the principle of diminishing marginal returns

Here’s the basic gist of it. Let’s say Jim owns a yardstick company and wants to sell as many yardsticks as possible while also minimizing his costs. At first, he has one worker, Hassan, who operates one yardstick-making machine that Jim has affectionately named Carrie (this analogy is incredibly on the nose). Jim decides he wants to increase his output, so he gives Hassan more Carries, but each one costs money for Jim to purchase. At first, Hassan makes many more yardsticks out of each Carrie, so the cost is worth it, but as Jim buys more and more, they become difficult for Hassan to manage. He gets tired trying to run all these Carries on his own, so with each new Carrie, the company produces fewer additional yardsticks and thus less additional revenue. 

Jim’s company is exhibiting diminishing marginal returns to capital; for each new Carrie Jim gives him, Hassan produces fewer and fewer additional yardsticks. In an ideal, fully rational world, Jim would continue to purchase Carries until the additional revenue from each one is equal to the cost of the machine.* For example, if each Carrie costs $20 and the company can sell each yardstick for $4, Jim will give Hassan more Carries until each additional machine results in five yardsticks per Carrie. 

What this horrible, way-out-of-hand analogy aims to do is explain the reasoning behind splitting carries between running backs. With each consecutive carry you give a back, his production will drop on average, because of fatigue, defensive adjustments, and the added risk of injury. Even if your top running back is significantly better than the others, you’ll have to share the workload to some extent. The question is, how much? 

The Wolverines haven’t had a true workhorse back under Josh Gattis. Based on the eye test alone, it feels like those offenses have split carries far too much. But especially with an emotional fanbase like Michigan’s, the eye test can be deceiving. Let’s put some hard numbers to it. 

*In the real world, no firm actually behaves this way. In recent years, behavioral economists have found that most firms just set a sales target and produce until they hit it. Economics, it turns out, is great at telling people how they should behave, but terrible at modelling how they actually behave. 

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The Data

Unfortunately, there’s no readily available stat out there about how much a team splits its carries, so I’ve created two rough estimates of it: the percent of carries by the starting running back vs. all other running backs (“RB1 pct. carries” in the spreadsheet below) and the percent of rushing yards gained by that running back (“RB1 pct. yards”). Note that the difference between those two stats is effectively a measure of relative yards per carry. From our economic analogy, we would expect a coach to give the top back the ball until his percentage of yards gained tends toward his share of carries, as that would mean the starter is getting the ball in all situations where the expected yardage is greater than the other backs’, but never when it’s less. Of course, in situations where one back is truly better than the others, this rarely happens, as the coach (rightfully) wants to mitigate the risk of injury, and it’s impossible for that coach to evaluate exactly when a back’s returns start diminishing. The real world is annoying.

Still, too great a gap can indicate that a back is being under-utilized. As an extreme example, let’s say Hassan Haskins gained 70% of rushing yards but received just 52% of carries among Michigan’s running backs. That would mean Haskins should have gotten more carries, because he had far more payoff per attempt than other rushers, and the risk of injury probably wasn’t great enough to justify keeping him off the field that much.  

I’ve also excluded quarterbacks, fullbacks, and wide receivers from this measurement because I’m only interested in how much coaches rotate their running backs; whether they run too many jet sweeps or too few QB keepers are questions for someone far smarter than me. 

Have I lost you yet? Good. Here are the numbers: 

Of course, there are limitations to this data. Number one, because I’m calculating these numbers myself and like to sleep occasionally, I can only include a handful of teams in my analysis. As such, I’ve tried to pick the teams that are most relevant to fans: Ohio State and Michigan State for the rivalries; Alabama and Clemson because they’re perennial contenders; Oklahoma because they’re a more QB-focused offense; and Wyoming because LFG pokes. A second limitation is that it’s impossible to measure an “ideal” gap between percent yards and percent carries, so it’s hard to make suggestions for what Michigan should shoot for. My initial instinct is to point to Alabama and Clemson and say “do that,” but the existence of Najee Harris and Travis Etienne complicates that. Basically, even with all the data, any recommendations I make are going to be heavily subjective. Third, I’m not taking injuries into account because, again, I like sleeping, and reconfiguring who the starter is every time someone gets hurt would prevent me from doing so. 

Still, even if limited, it’s data worth looking at. Sure, it’s a rudimentary, unscientific analysis, but football is a rudimentary, unscientific sport. I’m not trying to solve the Wolverines’ rushing offense, nor am I evaluating the development gap to Ohio State. I just want to answer two simple questions: how much has Michigan split carries under Josh Gattis, and how does that compare with the teams it competes (or wants to compete) with? 

Michigan

Let’s get this part out of the way: Michigan’s rushing offense is not very good, and its problems run deeper than mismanagement from the coaching staff. Somewhat predictably, Michigan State was the only team both seasons to have fewer rushing yards from running backs — something especially problematic considering the Wolverines’ QB run game wasn’t particularly potent either. I already wrote about Michigan’s longtime struggles to develop elite running back recruits last week, but in the short term, the problems are more localized in the offensive line. If run blocking doesn’t improve, the Wolverines will continue to struggle on the ground, regardless of how it divvies up the carries. 

Relative to competition in 2020, though, Michigan did not split its carries all that much. Again, it’s hard to draw strong conclusions based on this limited data, but I wouldn’t be surprised if teams across the country spread out reps more evenly, just by virtue of the shorter fall camp and already thinned-out rosters from COVID protocols. That eight percent gap in carries and yards, though, still indicates that Haskins may have been under-utilized in 2020, though I think the timing of substitutions was a greater problem than how frequent they were on average. 

Consider last season’s Michigan State game. Haskins was, unsurprisingly, the Wolverines’ most effective back, notching 58 yards on eight carries, but he struggled for consistency, as a good amount of those yards came from a few chunk plays. Much of that struggle, in my mind, falls on the coaches’ shoulders. In the first quarter, he tallied one run for two yards, and that was it. Then, in the second quarter, after disappearing for three drives, Haskins picked up a pair of 15+ yard runs, but was pulled out of anything resembling a rhythm by a pair of wildcat plays. In the third quarter, he ripped off an 18-yard run, then saw the ball just twice more for the rest of the game. He was never given any real chance to find a rhythm, and as a result, he didn’t. 

In fairness, Michigan’s rep-splitting in 2019 more closely fit each player’s production, but the timing was still off a lot of the time. It prevented any of the Wolverines’ backs from finding any rhythm, and it probably played into Charbonnet’s decision to transfer. Lots of people talk about how Michigan’s offense doesn’t play to its strengths, and I think this is a place where that’s pretty visible. 

The Rest

Moving beyond Michigan, I think the most intriguing data point on this chart comes from Ohio State. In 2020, Trey Sermon was, to put it lightly, a beast in the backfield. He put together a conference-leading 7.5 yards per carry, yet split reps almost exactly with Master Teague, who averaged just 4.9 yards. In contrast, J.K. Dobbins received over 60% of the Buckeyes’ carries in 2019, despite being about as effective and competing with a Master Teague that averaged 5.8 yards per carry. Since 2020 was a short season, part of that number is skewed by Sermon’s early injury in the national championship, and I also wouldn’t be surprised if defenses keyed more on Sermon on read options, but that’s still a pretty significant gap between usage and production. It’s not often that anyone not named Nick Saban gets the chance to say they’d make better coaching decisions than Ohio State’s staff, so everyone should take advantage of this rare opportunity and laugh at Ryan Day for not running Trey Sermon more. 

Michigan State’s numbers are also interesting, for two reasons. First is that they illustrate just how catastrophic Mark Dantonio’s last offense was. Effectively, it was made up of Elijah Collins, Cody White, and a pile of brightly colored rocks. Even with Collins receiving 68.7% of carries — by far the largest share of any running back in either year — he still theoretically should have gotten more if not for fear of injuries. Second, you can actually see the shift in priorities between coaching staffs right there on the chart; sharing the load is something that Mel Tucker himself has emphasized as one of his priorities. 

The rest of the numbers are fairly predictable. Alabama and Clemson gave the ball more to their starters because, well, they were Najee Harris and Travis Etienne. Interestingly, Oklahoma seemed to split its carries too little in 2019, when Rhamondre Stevenson was the backup, then did it too much in 2020, when Stevenson was the starter. Wyoming, apparently run by economists, tended toward a perfect proportion of carries to yards. 

Conclusion

So, how much should a team split carries? After all this, I don’t know. It’s always going to depend on the team’s talent, its depth, and the coach’s own aversion to injuries. The difference between a rusher’s share of carries and his share of yards can give us clues in hindsight, but that data isn’t really useful without a reasonably large sample, so a coach can’t use that on the field. 

Really, it comes down to feel. Part of coaching is being able to recognize when a player is finding a rhythm and helping to foster that. Yes, there are more significant issues impeding Michigan’s run game, but the way that the coaches split up the carries simply isn’t working. 
 

Comments

MaizeBlueA2

July 22nd, 2021 at 7:29 PM ^

Have we not done that when we've had horses? 

De'Veon Smith and Karan Higdon were "rode" in their senior years. Who have we had to carry the load like that in the Harbaugh years?

Toussaint carried the load (for the pure RBs). Obviously Mike Hart, Chris Perry and Anthony Thomas did.

Hell, even Denard carried the load.

 

We seem to be willing to do it when we have the option to do so.

thisisnotrandy

July 23rd, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^

I definitely agree that Charbonnet was wasted because the runs were not properly dispersed.  However, the article above is stating that the starting running back receives 40%-50% of the runs, not 20% of them.  Perhaps it would be even more beneficial to see how the runs are split up between the "backup" RBs.  If the "backup" RBs are receiving 50%-60% of the runs, should RB2 receive the majority of those while RB3 and beyond "wait their turn"?  It seems to me like Michigan is splitting up that "backup" percentage of the runs somewhat evenly between 3 to 4 players.  Like you are saying, there is definitely an issue when it comes to how Michigan is divying up the carries, and it's having a negative impact on attrition.

ERdocLSA2004

July 23rd, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^

Agree.  With the play calls and splitting of the carries in such a sporadic way, the coaches don’t give anyone much of a chance to get some momentum(figuratively).  Good article, as said, the raw rushing attempts and yards are only a small part of the story.  Garbage time carries by RB2 factors in for some teams and yards/carry is still the most important stat.  I’d love to see a stat that shows how the avg yards/carry changes with attempt number.  Like is the average yards on carry #1 the same as carry #20 with the yards/carry peaking somewhere in the middle?  I’d imagine most backs are more productive after they’ve had 4-5 carries and probably less productive once they approach 15.

KC Wolve

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:15 PM ^

Great post. Love seeing the data on UM and the other teams. Very nice work. UM seems to be similar to other teams. I think its more of a "riding the hot hand" situation. If a guy is rolling, keep feeding him. If not, try and change it up. I know that seems simplistic, but we have seen a guy getting yards to only be pulled either during or after the next series. Don't beat him into the ground, but if you are rolling, stick with it. 

TruBluMich

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^

When is the last time we had a back that truly scared the opposing defenses? First, Denard is the logical answer, then we get to Hart, Perry, and Wheatley (I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple)?  If the QB cannot take advantage of the defense guessing wrong, is there really any reason not to collapse on the ball carrier?  Then you throw in the 5-6 plays a game of "let's try running it right up the middle because it was so successful the last 100 times."

Don

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:36 PM ^

I wonder how much Mike Hart scared defenses as opposed to just irritating the hell out of them? If you're not a threat to hit the home run when you get into the clear, how scary are you?

Mike Hart is Michigan's leader in career yards, but his longest run from scrimmage was only 64 yards, which is 28th on the list of longest runs from scrimmage.

The Homie J

July 22nd, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^

I'd say we were doing this as recently as 2018.  That offense vastly underutilized Shea's arm and Nico/DPJ/Black as a WR trio (I don't remember if Tarik was injured that season, might have been though).  The flipside though was just how ruthlessly efficient we were on the ground.  I remember at some point in the season, we were near the top of the nation in efficiency and 3rd down yardage (to gain).  We were constantly in 3rd and short situations, which made Shea keepers an effective threat.  It just blew up when Ohio State decided to score touchdowns in 2-4 plays, which made long, soul-crushing drives useless (which was our bread and butter that year, see the Wisconsin and Penn State games for us just ramming the ball down the field all game until the defenses fold).

It just sucks that as we try to lean more into RPO and passing, we lost our ability to smash the ball down the defenses' throat.

ERdocLSA2004

July 23rd, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

If Mike Hart was on last years team he would’ve transferred out.  He made his money by carrying the ball a ton.  His numbers would’ve been just as bad last year as anyone else’s.  I will say though, having the rb carry 50 times a game for a 3.4 yards/attempt is not my idea of fun football either.

PeteM

July 25th, 2021 at 10:10 PM ^

There's different kinds of scary.  Anthony Thomas was much more of a home run hitter as I recall, but maybe because his running style he seemed to get stuffed more on short yardage than Hart. Mike Hart was a master at getting enough yards to keep the chains moving. 

blueheron

July 22nd, 2021 at 6:16 PM ^

Perry had good stats ( https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/chris-perry-1.html ) but to say he scared opposing offenses seems like a reach. (He was definitely a workhorse. 338 carries in his last season!) I'm still amazed that he went in the first round of the draft.

Look at Denard's big year (the 1700+ one here: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/denard-robinson-1.html ) in comparison. Scary.

Wheatley? Yes, scary. Hart? Not scary, but almost everything you'd want in a college RB. (I know he lacked top-end speed. He had just about everything else.)

MaizeBlueA2

July 22nd, 2021 at 7:38 PM ^

Lol how? Who could we've treated as the "bell cow" since Higdon left?

Charbonnet? Isaac? Haskins?

None of those guys proved to be completely reliable when it comes to injuries, holding onto the ball or setting themselves apart from everyone else.

Higdon did. De'Veon Smith did late in his career. Toussaint did, alongside Denard.

Who are these magical RBs that would have been better if we increased their usage?

dragonchild

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:32 PM ^

I remember one UFR showed that, after fans were up in arms over one back playing poorly relative to the other, it just turned out the “bad” RB got shitty blocking. Dunno what anyone’s supposed to do about that, other than the O-line coach.

 In my opinion, if a back needs Carries to “build momentum”, he’s completely worthless. Just how many downs is the offense supposed to set on fire so one guy can get into a groove? We never set this expectation for other positions. If you wanna play, be ready to play, whether it’s one carry or thirty.

P.S. FWIW, I don’t think it’s a thing anyway. I’ve never heard a RB complain they did badly because they weren’t given enough “Mulligan” downs, publicly or privately. If anything, they just want the ball, because they love their job.

Nofx1728

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:32 PM ^

The missing data point is what proportion of important carries, when the game was still in the balance, did RB1 receive.  

Yes Alabama, Clemson and OSU shared the ball - but is it because they are giving najee and Travis 1 or 2 carries at a time like our backs, or did RB1 receive the bulk of the carries in the first 2 quarters, until they were so far ahead they didn’t play the rest of the game, giving rb2 plenty of carries? 

Likewise, did the good teams still split carries in the 4th quarter in close games, or did they move to almost exclusively rb1?

JonnyHintz

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:10 PM ^

The other problem is that if you’re hell-bent on comparing Michigan with the running games of teams like Bama, Clemson and OSU, you’re bound to be disappointed and it’s really an apples to oranges comparison. 
 

You’re looking at three offenses there who have the main goal of spreading defenses out and attacking. Big, explosive plays. They’re designed to put up big yards and big points. As much as we’ve heard the “speed in space” mantra,  our offense hasn’t had that look. And our running game has been designed more to smash up the middle than to get players into the open field. Michigan wants to control the clock and those teams want to put up 100 points.
 

The other problem is looking at “total yards by running backs.” Thats pretty much exclusively dictated by how many total carries the unit gets. It seems like a better metric to measure would be yards per carry by the unit. But again, that can be impacted by offensive style and philosophy

NeverPunt

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:42 PM ^

Michigan’s problems running the ball aren’t the backs or the distribution. We didn’t suddenly become terrible at finding good running backs and it’s not necessarily better or worse to ride one guy or split things up.  A successful run game depends on:

  • a solid and cohesive offensive line
  • sensible running play design that plays to your strengths
  • excellent and logical play calling
  • the real threat of a dangerous passing game
  • seamless execution
  • rb vision and talent

The teams mentioned here generally are very good at most of those points and we have not been of late. Where we can find success is going to be in the first 5 bullet points and the sixth should be just fine with the guys we have in the RB room and their coach. If the run play design and execution is opening up holes and we are gashing the opposing defense, everybody will feast.

BursleysFinest

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:18 PM ^

Exactly, and those middle points are especially where Michigan has failed IMO.  In recent years, it seems like we've had cool plays, but no coherent offensive philosophy to build a running game out of.

Offense has had too many cooks.  We don't necessarily need a new voice there, but for the staff to choose A voice and not this Frankenstein of conflicting  (or at least non-harmonious) ideologies

 

Watching From Afar

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:27 PM ^

a solid and cohesive offensive line

Had 4 upper classmen and eventually 5 NFL draft picks on the 2019 line and they were above average at best on the ground. Last year, the staff had their pick of whichever 5 guys they wanted to start and they were bad.

sensible running play design that plays to your strengths

This is the weight around the neck of the offense. The play design, coming out of the mouth of the staff, was to be "11 on 11" and threatening with the QB enough to give the RBs and OL a numbers advantage. Or, at least, not a numbers disadvantage. They don't do this. Full stop. Their default is not a Read Option. The QB is only involved periodically in the run game, but they still line up and option off a guy as if they were going to attack it. Instead, they let a DE come down the line free, which makes it so the RBs have to go immediately or be chased down from behind, which then means they can't find a hole after the OL makes one (which they don't often enough anyways). Patterson was part of the problem, but he wasn't THE problem. We saw him read a patch of open grass probably 20 times during his career. Both under Pep and Gattis. When it was Pep, it was chalked up to the offense not actually running RO/RPOs. When it was Gattis, it was Patterson not making a read. It's time we don't assume it was a misread and instead assume there was no read to begin with.

It's not speed in space. It's basically just an offense ran out of the gun, which means the RBs have no head of steam when they get to the line. They can't execute on short yardage stuff anymore because they don't have Higdon running 1000 mph as he hits the LB in the hole and falls forward. The RBs are playing around with a "mesh" point that slows them down. Which is why they go to that wildcat thing with Haskins when they need a yard.

excellent and logical play calling

Yeah, so this isn't a thing either. Opening play of the Minnesota game last year: swing pass to Corum in space and he's off to the races. That play was pretty much shelved after that. Fast forward to the Indiana game and they run a sweep/stretch with a "read" that doesn't exist, right into the face of a blitzing DB who almost meets Corum at the exchange point. That happens quite a bit. They generally just run into a mess of bodies a yard downfield over and over again. Most big gains are Haskins pulling something out of thin air.

rb vision and talent

I don't think this is lacking. Especially over the last 2 seasons. We've seen Haskins send OSU and ND level players into the center of the earth with stiff arms, hurdles, and broken tackles. He doesn't have that crazy open field speed to turn 40 yard runs into 65 yard TDs, but the kid is talented and better than his rail thin, 1000 ranked recruiting tape suggested. He missed that OSU hole that would have most likely been a TD on 4th down. But again, he was running the wildcat and the play design was to pitter patter behind a pulling Bredeson instead of a traditional hand off screaming at the hole. They had Jackson coming out of the backfield in 2019 doing wheel routes and end arounds to some success. He's gone. Charbonnet was snake bitten by injuries and bad play calling and OL play, but you could still see his potential. Also gone. I think Corum can do a lot of what Jackson and Charbonnet could do. Same with Edwards.

imafreak1

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:46 PM ^

I think that by looking at the stats in aggregate you obscure what actually happened during the season. To start the season, Corum was nominally the starter and he was splitting carries pretty evenly with Haskins. That continued for most of the season. Which was very odd given he was a freshman and the two main backs from the previous season were still on the roster. But it happens on successful teams when the incoming freshman is a star. Which despite the coaches' clear, I think, preference, did not happen for Corum. Then, in the Wisconsin game, which may be a statistical oddity since it was an immediate blowout, Corum got 7 carries to 1 for each of Haskins and Charbonnet. After that, Haskins was the lead back and got 40 of 61 carries in the last two games of the season. And I guess did pretty OK. But up to that point, the split was pretty even between him and Corum.

In this case, the previous starters were surplanted by a freshman who was then pretty clearly statistically worse than them carrying the ball. I don't have any stats for it but I have to assume that Charbonnet, if not Haskins, was also better in pass protection than the freshman. So, what had Corum done to earn that promotion?

As to why this happened, during the season when asked about it Gattis said that there wasn't a workhorse back on the roster so they had to split carries. Which strikes me as another slap in the face to Haskins and Charbonnet in addition to being totally unneccessary. 

My guess is, just like with the QB choice, Gattis prefered the higher ceiling guy irrespective of actual performance so he went with Milton and wanted to go with Corum. But neither decision worked at all. It is also easy to see how decision making like that could cause significant issues in the lockerroom because playing time isn't earned. It is given to some select few over others. It is easy to see why Charbonnet left under those circumstances and I don't blame him at all. 

Now, Michigan has got the new hotness at RB coming in as a freshman. I wish him the best but I hope Michigan does not revert to the RichRod days of starting the new hot freshman every year in favor of the last guy who maybe wasn't as immediatley good as you had hoped.

Everyone also seems irrationally excited about Corum, despite his lack of on field performance for reasons that I don't really get. Regardless of what kind of pics he puts on social media.

I guess what I am saying is I think Gattis split carries too much for most of the season and did it to favor a guy who maybe hadn't earned it.

njvictor

July 22nd, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^

Yes, yes we are. Every other top program in the county is ok with making their younger guys and freshman sit in order to get their upperclassmen a healthy workload and get them in rhythm, but it seems like we can’t seem to ever let that new shiny toy sit for a little bit. Was giving Corum some carries worth driving Charbonnet to UCLA? Im not sure it was 

michengin87

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^

Great analysis as always.  Using your numbers, this says that Haskins averaged 6.1 YPC last year on 61 carries while the rest of the backs averaged 4.4 YPC on 61 carries.

However, looking deeper into the numbers, I see that Charbonnet averaged 6.5 YPC on 19 carries while Corum averaged 3.0 YPC on 26 carries.  Full disclosure, Minnesota was 70 yards on 4 carries.  Nonetheless, and I hope that Blake Corum becomes the next Mike Hart, but why did he get 26% more carries than Zach while averaging half the YPC?  Obviously rhetorical.

Another head scratcher from 2020.

JonnyHintz

July 22nd, 2021 at 6:44 PM ^

Because when you take out Zach’s long run against Minnesota (the one where there wasn’t a Minnesota within 5 yards of him at any point, so it’s hard to give him a ton of credit) then he averaged about the same ypc as Corum. 
 

Yards per carry is usually a good measurement, but you have to take outliers into consideration in small samples. If two backs both run for 20 yards on 5 carries, is the one who ran 5, 4, 3, 2, 8 better than the one who ran -1, 2, 20, -2, 1? Same number of carries. Same total yards. But wow they got there is incredibly different. 
 

You mention Charbonnet went 4 carries for 70 yards against Minnesota... his long was 70. Meaning he gained 0 yards on his other three carries, and the rest of the year he had 18 carries for 54 yards. Knocking him all the way back down to 3 ypc. Not far off of Corum’s 2.8.
 

Stats are a great tool and all, but you have to look at them in context. One run by Charbonnet doubled his season ypc. That’s a pretty big red flag when you’re comparing stats. 

DTOW

July 23rd, 2021 at 6:34 PM ^

I agree with you but theres two sides to that coin.  You can't just completely take out outliers in that small of a sample size because of different styles of running.  Some running backs can consistently go 4 yards in a cloud of dust while other guys may get stopped more often and then bust a big one.  For instance, Barry Sanders always had a huge percentage of negative runs compared to his peers but he also had a huge percentage of house calls.

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:35 PM ^

And herein lies the problem of analyzing anything offensively regarding play calling, scheme, or personnel...we have no effing clue who is making these decisions. Is it JH? Is it Gattis? Is it Jay? I doubt it's JH beyond generalities such as naming the starter or overall philosophy.  I'd have to assume it's a combo of Jay and Gattis. I'm not convinced it's one more the other. I'm also guessing the offensive new staff changes will change the dynamics too and I wouldn't be surprised for Hart to stake a more active claim here in RB carries and when to move guys in and out and also note such in interviews publicly. He won't shy away of saying what he does and doesn't do.

MGoStrength

July 22nd, 2021 at 8:04 PM ^

I don't think Jay was calling plays or dictating scheme

I only mentioned play calling scheme to highlight how personnel issues are the same in that we don't know who is in charge of what offensively.  But, my comment about thinking it's either Jay and/or Gattis and not likely JH beyond naming the starter was only about personnel not about play calling or scheme.  I doubt Jay had any input in play calling or scheme.  But, the point is we don't know who is in charge of telling RBs when to go in, when to go out, dictating carries, etc...just like we don't know who is in charge of the mind boggling play calling at times and the lack of game to game development of a game plan.

zachary_carson

July 22nd, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^

I'm ok with splitting carries.  My biggest gripe is that the situational carries always seem to be questionable.  1) I'm a firm believer that when the going gets good, ride the wave until the other team can stop it (without becoming outright predictable) and 2) It's almost as if the wrong back is playing in the wrong down and distance at times.

I'm really going to miss Charbonnet.  I really hope his usage was due to nagging injuries verse incompetence.  He had power and burst, decent hands, and could pick up backers.  Sounds like an every-down RB to me.