Mailbag: Hemingway's Slot, 2012 OL, Terrible Relationship Advice, Spread Forever Comment Count

Brian

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Hemingway; Omameh

Hemingway slot business.

As I understand it, you use smaller, quicker WR's in the slot because they are matched up against lumbering LB's who can't keep up.  You then use bigger, stronger WR's on the outside against the smaller CB's.  It seems like we use Hemmingway in the slot quite often with Gallon or Odoms on the outside.  Am I missing something here?  I just don't understand why Hemmingway is in the slot so much.  It's not like he is Floyd or Calvin Johnson, and they are trying to move him all over the field to keep defenses question because they are so freaked out about Hemmingway.

 

Fresh Meat

If you're not going to screen with those slots or use them as runners, there's not a whole lot of point to making those slot dudes little buggers. Putting your top WR there does get you some advantages.

One: it's hard to jam the guy since he's starting off the line of scrimmage and many defenses don't feature a guy directly over the slot. Two: you're essentially preventing the opponent's top corner from covering the guy man to man. If that's not the case you're forcing a nickel package on the field and forcing that corner away from his regular spot. This can have negative impacts on run fills from both members of the secondary. Three: hypothetically your big guy is a relatively good blocker and having him in the slot can help you attack the edge. This works better when we're talking about Floyd or BJ Cunningham.

Just because Hemingway isn't Floyd or Megatron doesn't mean he's not the closest thing Michigan has available, and since the Michigan offense involves zero quick throws to the slot, putting him there doesn't cost you anything.

A timely response on next year's OL.

Brian -

Despite the awesome win at Illinois this week I still felt like Omameh had a rough day as I saw him get beat on a few occasions.  Here's a question for you - based on the outlook for 2012, do you think the coaches might consider moving him to RT and keeping Schofield and Barnum as the two guards?  Maybe Omameh just isn't cut out for mauling large DT or pulling, which is what the guard needs to do in this offense. 

Adam

Gurnee, IL
AC1997

I think that's a possibility, but one that will depend on how quickly Chris Bryant progresses and how ready to play Kyle Kalis is more than Schofield.

I bet a dollar Schofield is the starting right tackle next year. He was neck and neck with Huyge for the starting job there before Barnum went down; Omameh has not played tackle in two or three years; there are no other tackles on the dang roster. If Schofield isn't the second-best pass protector on the team next year I'll be shocked. So he goes outside.

That means Omameh moving to tackle makes him a backup. Is that a realistic possibility for a would-be three year starter competing with freshmen, one of them a true freshman? Normally the answer there would be "no way" but watching him get chucked to the ground by Illinois (and everybody else) and seeing Omameh's inexperience pulling makes you wonder. He's been hurt more than anyone else on the offense by the coaching change and it's not a huge stretch to see a 340-pound mauler displace him, no matter the experience difference.

That might not be a bad thing. Omameh as the #6 lineman means there is a #6 lineman. Right now that looks far from guaranteed.

MGoBlog ruins relationships.

Hi Brian,

 

I've been dating an LSU alum for almost 3 months.  In the week leading up to their big game I made the mistake of explaining (unsolicited) the ethical shortcomings of oversigning and the significant competitive advantage that it promotes.  She follows CFB sparingly and didn't have much to say about the topic, but at her friends' game party on Saturday night she made sure to have the LSU contingent confront me.  The return arguments went something like "you're jealous", "it's a numbers game", and "my friend's cousin plays for the team, he's not very good and he hasn't been cut", etc. 

 

I'm no longer concerned with proving my point but rather with the chasm that oversigning has created in our relationship.  Needless to say, she didn't agree with me and said that she just wanted me to be an LSU fan with her.  Naturally, I want her to follow Michigan, too.  I'm conflicted because I can't reconcile supporting Les Miles or the SEC with my own values.  What's a man to do?

 

Joe
Austin, TX

 

If your girlfriend is following LSU only sparingly she will not be able to tell the difference between your mild affection for the Hat's grass-eating insanity and a genuine desire for LSU to win. That will get you through games against the SEC West's collection of robot mercenary Bible salesmen. LSU is the lesser evil in their division if only because Miles is Loki incarnate.

Past that I can't help you. LSU had an assistant coach fired for arranging illicit benefits for a recruit. LSU's oversigning practices are just short of Alabama's for overall odiousness. LSU is mixed up in the Lyles scouting thing. If they were exposed to the same level of scrutiny OSU just went through, Baton Rouge would be a smoking, deliciously-scented crater. They're fun, I guess. I hate fun.

It kind of sounds like this girl is not a winner, anyway. Having her friends dogpile on you to offer sports talk radio opinions about oversigning is not a good sign. "Hey, I know what my boyfriend will like: being berated by a room full of people." Find a nice Texas alum so you can accuse the Longhorns of destroying college football, preferably at a Mack Brown house party.

[ED-S: Pro-tip: don't take relationship advice from Brian unless your relationship is based on an incomparable understanding of college football]

Coaching: it matters.

4-3-underchaos_theory[1]

this year; last year

There's been a long line of assertions about college football being highly dependent on unusually gifted/determined athletes (It's not about X's and O's; it's about Jimmies and Joes comes to mind), and that coaching is more an area where the game can be lost and talent squandered (Ron Zook) or the marginal advantages in the same team strategy add up to wins over equally talented teams (Jim Tressel).

While it seems that some players excel regardless of coaching (Brandon Graham, Jordan Kovacs), the turnaround of Michigan's defense seems to be as good a test case as any for how coaching affects performance. They improved dramatically, but they did it opposite an offense that was similarly potent and returned almost everyone from a year ago, played similar caliber teams if not the same teams, and employed youth effectively in the secondary in stark contrast to previous years.

In light of this, all things being equal, how big a difference do you think having great versus "just good" coaching makes in college football (Like if Michigan had hired anyone who had the misfortune of not being born a Raven's defensive coordinator), setting aside that it only needs to be one point better in each game for the win?

-nedved963

The only thing Greg Mattison and Greg Robinson have in common other than first names—I'm pretty sure they're not even the same species—is their ability to mutter "scheme is overrated" when asked a question they don't really feel like answering. But if this year's Michigan defense has taught anyone anything it's that yes, scheme matters a lot. So does technique coaching.

Michigan did not go from 108th in the country to top 20 by replacing their players. They did it by playing a defense that made sense, delivering remarkably effective zone blitzes, and making certain total scrubs a lot better at football.

Scheme matters. So does everything else. Acquiring your pieces is a third of the game. Developing them into football players is a third. And deploying them effectively is a third.

GRADES AT THESE THINGS FOR VARIOUS THINGS

gerg2010 Michigan defense

  • Acquire: C-
  • Develop: F
  • Deploy: F

2011 Michigan defense

  • Acquire: C+
  • Develop: A
  • Deploy: A-

Rodriguez offense

  • Acquire: B+
  • Develop: B+
  • Deploy: A

tressel_carr[1]Lloyd Carr regime

  • Acquire: A-
  • Develop: A-
  • Deploy: C

Jim Tressel regime

  • Acquire: A*
  • Develop: A-
  • Deploy: A-

Brady Hoke so far (tenuous)

  • Acquire: A
  • Develop: A-
  • Deploy: B+ (provisional)

Fight over the niggling half-grades if you must. To answer the guy's question, the difference between great and "just good" schematic coaching in college football is not a massive difference in win percentage—it's not going to win you three games a year—but when you're at the level Michigan expects to be, edging out an extra half-win per year has a massive impact on the overall prestige of your program. The difference between 6-6 and 7-5 is nothing. The difference between 10-2 and 11-1 is immense, as Wisconsin and their omission from national title discussion have found out.

*[Illicit or no.]

Spread: we wants it forever.

Brian,

A question that I would love to hear Borges asked is, given the fact that he has run a lot of spread this year, for really the first time in his career because of Denard, has it influenced his offensive philosophy? How he will approach game planning in future?

He always talks about how he's changed over the years and added things to his concepts, and I would love to hear him talk about that. I have a hope that we actually do not move completely away from the spread once Denard is gone--I would love it if we retained some of that concept and retained the ability to run the ball from the QB position. I think it really complicates defensive planning to have a dual threat guy back there (no offense Shane Morris). Is it possible to have Heiko ask a question of that sort?

No one can be certain, but since your question conjured forth an image of Heiko trudging to a press conference with "Taps" playing in the background… eh… I'm guessing not so much. When these guys came in they told everyone in no uncertain terms that Michigan football was running power down your throat, and they kept trying to do that from time to time no matter how spectacularly ineffective it had proven.

Is the Denard Robinson experience going to change that? Probably not. Borges has been an offensive coordinator for decades. Two years of Denard are just a couple additional logs on an already raging fire of this metaphor makes no sense. When he's gone Borges will have Gardner, Bellomy, Shane Morris, and a clobberating OL of Lewan, Barnum, Miller, Kalis, and Schofield with Chris Bryant and others waiting in the wings. He might (should?) have Bri'onte Dunn. Even if he's learned some cool stuff over the past couple years there's not much he'll be able to carry over with the personnel he'll have. While Gardner's pretty fast he's nowhere near the runner Denard is. (Rodriguez's disastrous OL recruiting helps smooth this transition: all the underclass Omamehs are air.)

Maybe we'll see a zone read or two, an inverted veer here and there, but even now it's obvious what Borges wants to do despite not being able to do it even a little.

I do find this a little depressing, but only a little. If Michigan puts together a pro-style offense with personnel like they had through most of the aughts and actually lets it rip that promises to be fun, especially with Ohio State transitioning to an offense that wants different things than Michigan will. I'd still like them to take runs at QBs like Braxton Miller and Devin Gardner, but I think they will—they took Bellomy, who is a mobile guy with the ability to develop into a thrower.

Comments

Communist Football

December 2nd, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^

It seems pretty clear that Borges was trying, almost until the end of the season, to shoehorn non-spread-option plays into the Denard offense, which is clearly a sign of his ideological, counterrevolutionary nature.

It is depressing to see communist football end up at OSU as we carelessly discard it...the outcome of these twin developments will not be good for Michigan.

Bronco648

December 1st, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^

It kind of sounds like this girl is not a winner, anyway. Having her friends dogpile on you to offer sports talk radio opinions about oversigning is not a good sign. "Hey, I know what my boyfriend will like: being berated by a room full of people." Find a nice Texas alum so you can accuse the Longhorns of destroying college football, preferably at a Mack Brown house party.

+1, I spit my lunch all over my desk.

Magnus

December 1st, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^

FWIW, I've always thought that Omameh would be a better fit at tackle than guard.  I'm somewhat surprised that he's remained at guard, even though he was a tall-ish guy with skinny legs.  This offense does not suit him at all.  Despite being taller, the thicker Schofield seems to have fared better at guard.  I would kind of like to see Omameh flip to RT and have Schofield play RG next season, but maybe that's unrealistic.

iawolve

December 1st, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^

his body type? Yes, some people are simply built more differently, but could he get closer to Qwash than Crable with another year in this S&C program? I have not stood next to the kid to get a good look at his build or seen enough of Wellman to understand his ability to make that transformation happen.

Magnus

December 1st, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^

He doesn't look to me like a dude with a big @$$ who can add a whole lot of weight to his lower body.  I think he's destined to be a pretty lean guy.  Not that it's a bad thing; it's just that he might not be a prototypical guard.

I think the guards under Hoke are going to look more like David Baas and the tackles are going to look more like...well...Erik Magnuson.

jamiemac

December 1st, 2011 at 1:33 PM ^

Dear Brian,

So this girl I am seeing doesnt seem to grasp the concepts of a point spread. Or why anyone would want to gamble on sports. And she goes on and on about MICH being a one man team. In her defense, she likes smoking the occassional weed with me and likes getting naked when the games we're watching get boring.

Should I dump her for being stupid? Or wait it out and see what happens during basketball season?

Thanks, I'll hit submit and read

SFWolverineFan

December 1st, 2011 at 1:37 PM ^

Is it bad that I really want that question asked at a presser?  I don't want Ace to be banned from pressers, or killed by Borges himself, but it is a question worth asking.  

burtcomma

December 1st, 2011 at 1:40 PM ^

We need to require a (tasteful) picture of said female......I mean, we want to be the best at everything we do for our beloved MGOBLOG fan base, and without a visual representation is it not easy to advise a man of the path he should take!

For instance, our advice to Joe in Austin, TX might change if the picture accompanying the request was:

 

gremlin

December 1st, 2011 at 2:02 PM ^

In the section "Grades at Things for Various Things" it is interesting how Brian attempts to label 2010's offense "Rodriguez's Offense" yet lables the defense that year "2010 Defense".  At what point are people going to understand that it is up to the head coach to hire/fire coordinators, and the quality (or lack there of) therefore of the defense/offense falls squarely on the head coach's shoulders.  

 

It should have either read "2010 Offense" and "2010 Defense", or "Rodriguez Offense" and "Rodriguez Defense".  Not some bullshit title that attempts to give credit to RR for what he was good at while attempting to  overlook what he blew at.

nedved963

December 1st, 2011 at 2:36 PM ^

You two are definitely correct about what the more consistent titles would be, but I don't think it's useful from an information perspective to assign the development/deploy outcomes of the defense to Rodriguez. What part of the development and deployment was he involved in? He's responsible for it yes. His defensive coordinator decisions got Michigan there yes. But he didn't do it himself. He did do the offense himself. If Michigan was more of a Mack Brown CEO type head coach, the rampant delegation would make me not even bother to mention his offenses or defenses as Mack Brown's. It would certainly explain their recent collapse despite Mack Brown still being there, being responsible, and having great recruiting.

I guess my point is you can be technical and make sure you blame the man at the top which is reasonable, but if you're looking for the guy who did the job (chosen to do it by rodriguez), you go for the highest guy who's actively involved and has the real power to make it work. For offense that's Rodriguez, for Defense it was GERG (Nothwithstanding Rodriguez insisting on 3-3-5's at inopportune times, or other bad veto's he might have made. He's not showing the DL how to take a step or calling blitzes here).

Blue In NC

December 1st, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^

Interesting.  Everyone seems to report that RR was hands off about the D and was focused primarily on the O (for which he was known) and yet you have a big problem with labelling it as such?  I don't think Brian's point on that was to give RR undue credit.  I think the point was that RR was heavily involved with the 2010 offensive scheme and not so much the 2010 defense.  You can criticize RR for not being involved on D and/or hiring bad coordinators but I am not sure you can attack RR's 2010 defensive scheme since there really was not one.

TennBlue

December 1st, 2011 at 2:09 PM ^

forever, please.  Along with some Triple Option and Flexbone.  I like exciting, running football.  Pro-style, I-formation is boring, even when it's done well and works.

 

This is the most depressing part of this transition.  I'm absolutely gaga for Rodriguez's offense, as much as I loathed his lack of defense.  Please, Al - think of the children.

michgoblue

December 1st, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^

I will preface by saying that I am a fan of a pro-style offense, because I like to see Michigan kids progress on to the NFL.

I have, however, found the spread and shred to be very exciting (when it is working, but that caveat is equally true of the pro style).  That said, I think that when you are thinking of a boring pro-style of offense, you may be thinking of three yards and a cloud of dust.  That is not what Borges runs.  The West Coast pro-style that he prefers is really exciting.  Long bombs, short passes, screens, lots of running, some shotgun formation stuff, 4 wide, you name it. 

So, while I have grown to love the excitement of the spread, as well, I don't think that the pro style is any less exciting, if done right.

PurpleStuff

December 1st, 2011 at 2:59 PM ^

To me the difference between leaning toward a running QB as oppossed to going pure NFL offense is that you basically can't ever miss in recruiting.  Without a legit, blue-chip upperclassman in the fold at QB (and the talent around him) you are going to struggle mightily to move the ball.  When Drew Henson got hurt against UCLA, our offense was doomed.  When he left school early it put a huge dent in the team's chances in 2001.  If a guy like Matt Barkley hadn't worked out, USC might have been dealing with a 5-6 year hole at the QB position.  We're seeing that at places like Florida and Texas where Gilbert and Brantley failed to live up to their recruiting hype. 

I think if you can run it from multiple positions and force defenses to put extra guys in the box just to survive, you can always throw it.  The biggest pass plays our defense gave up all year were to shitty throwers who posed a running threat (Martinez and Miller). 

I agree with your assessment of a typical Borges offense, but I still don't see any reason to ever make the QB position at Michigan one dimensional again.

M-Wolverine

December 1st, 2011 at 3:44 PM ^

We've spent 3 years hearing how having a new starter at QB every year has kept our offense, in a spread, from beating all comers.

I think losing a good QB is hard in any offense, and judging by the last few years, having one is even MORE important in a QB running spread, because he stirs so much of the drink. You can disguise them some in a Wisconsin/MSU offense.

I'd rather have more wide open options, but I don't see an offense where the QB isn't vital to winning big.

In reply to by M-Wolverine

PurpleStuff

December 1st, 2011 at 4:49 PM ^

Denard was a true sophomore last year, he was running a very young offense, all his tailbacks were injured, and I still think our offense was good enough to win all but two games (MSU and OSU), scoring 27 points or more 10 times.  Tebow won the Heisman as a true sophomore.  Pat White won a BCS bowl as a RS freshman.

Compare that to guys like Barkley and Luck (both of whom are about as good as it gets) who each lost five games in their second year on campus.  Luck was solid, but still threw just 13 TDs as a RS freshman.  When John Navarre (a guy who ended up being an all conference QB) started as a RS freshman he threw more picks than TDs.  Even in his third year on campus we scored 24 points or less 7 times and lost 4 of those games (3 of which were totally winnable).

The guys who can run put a different kind of pressure on the defense and I think that makes their reads quite a bit easier, allowing them to have success earlier than their pocket-passer counterparts.  It is also much easier to find a great athlete who can throw against no pass rush and a simplified defense stacked to stop the run than it is to beat out every school in the country for guys like Barkley and Luck (and have them pan out) every couple of recruiting classes, IMO.  Pat White completed better than 65% of his passes his last three years at WVU.  Young and Tebow were ridiculously efficient passers.  Denard has thrown more TD passes than Tom Brady and still has a year to go in his career.  None of these guys are great at throwing the ball in a vacuum, but the presence of a running threat creates an efficient passing game (and you still get the benefit of the running game).  When all you can do is stand in the pocket and throw, you are playing uphill and have to be really good to have the same kind of success.  If your QB can run you just have to not screw up in the passing game.

 

Yeoman

December 1st, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^

...if your opponent is the no-player-has-ever-gone-into-the-NFL-from-a-spread-offense strawman.

If you want to know which offense has more success putting players into the pros you'd need to actually compare the two, maybe controlling for quality of recruit at each school. There are differences among the various versions of the spread that might be worth considering too.

The only thing I've done along these lines was to look at offensive players in the NFL from each of the Big East teams (it's on an old thread somewhere). West Virginia only has two* offensive players in the league, Slaton and Schmitt; nobody in the Big East has fewer. Either West Virginia was getting bottom-of-the-Big-East talent (no, I don't think so either) or they weren't doing well at putting offensive players into the pros. Or they've been extremely unlucky.

*There's a third who's a converted linebacker now playing fullback. I'm not counting converts--they're irrelevant to the study since they didn't play in the offensive scheme.

 

Ziff72

December 2nd, 2011 at 9:28 AM ^

His comment was.."I like Michigan to run a pro style because I like to see kids progress to the NFL"

He did not say I want them to run a pro style because that scheme thru intensive research has shown to get more kids to the NFL. 

I did not hand pick a select few guys.  I handpicked a few guys that have gone really, really high in the draft at different positions.  If you are good the NFL will find you.  Jerry Rice played in a spread in a d2 school.

I appreciate your research, but there are so many factors I doubt it has much validity.   If you get very very specific.  You could make this statement.

RR's style of spread offense has yet to produce an NFL caliber quarterback.   I would rather go to a more traditonal style offense so we can attract an NFL style quarterback.  While both offense can be effective I like watching the pro style qb more.

Saying the word "spread" in general in terms of developing kids for the NFL really isn't even a discussion.

 

 

 

 

Yeoman

December 2nd, 2011 at 9:39 AM ^

...or wide receiver, or tight end, or offensive lineman. Just a fullback who seldom sees the field and one season's worth of running back.

If that's your idea of "seeing kids progress to the NFL", so be it.

 

HighKnees

December 1st, 2011 at 2:18 PM ^

That is terrible relationship advice.  How anyone* dates/marries graduates of any school but Michigan is beyond me.  Tell me Joe in Austin, TX, would you date Darth Vader if he was good looking?  C'mon man, the dark side is all smoke and mirrors. 

*Anyone means any graduate of the University of Michigan.

M-Wolverine

December 1st, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^

But there aren't really a lot of guys like Denard. The fact that OSU is replacing one big athletic guy with another, as well as guys from Devin to Cam Newton, finding lightning in a bottle that can also throw the ball a little is rare.  We'll probably be looking for guys who can throw first, but there's no reason they have to be traditional Michigan statues (mind you, really good statues). People have been calling for more mobility from the spot for years.  I don't know that we'll be any different than anyone else was before in not wanting to train a Denard to be a QB, but I'd like to think we'd be looking for the best talent available, and fitting that into the system.  At least Drew Henson type mobility, if not jitterbugs who will put up 6 in a blink.

Magnus

December 1st, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^

I think lots of colleges have quarterbacks who can at least be a little dangerous when running the ball.  There aren't many Denards, granted, but elite high school quarterbacks are quite often elite overall athletes.  Andrew Luck, for example, could probably run some zone read stuff and gain chunks of yards every once in a while.  Even Steve Threet was quick enough to make positive gains when he made the right reads.

There are the John Navarres and Peyton Mannings of the world who will be too stiff to run the option, but I feel like those types of players are becoming the minority.

PurpleStuff

December 1st, 2011 at 2:47 PM ^

I don't think every QB we recruit has to be like Denard, but for me the success this offense has had the last two years running the ball reflects one of the biggest weaknesses of the Lloyd Carr offenses (especially late in his tenure).  For all the success of the primary backs, we really weren't a very good rushing team.  If the ball didn't go to Hart or Perry, we were dropping back and chucking it down the field.  If we were going to throw it less than 20 times in a game (which Denard averaged this season), one of those guys had to carry it 40-50 times.  If those backs couldn't get going early in the game, we were in a two minute offense the rest of the way.  This was also the achilles heel of the 2010 offense thanks to Fitz, Smith, and Shaw nursing injuries the whole year.

My hope for at least the next couple of years is that Stephen Hopkins can emerge as a guy from the fullback spot who can give us multiple rushing threats on every play.  This should be deadly next year with Denard and should take pressure of Devin down the road, since I don't think he's a guy like Denard who can/should be a primary ground gainer, but rather a guy who is athletic enough to take advantage if left alone to rake up yards with his legs (much like Luck from Magnus' example).

 

 

allintime23

December 1st, 2011 at 3:35 PM ^

There will only be one Denard Robinson. I've known that and accepted it so I've made the most of watching him. The guy is unreal. You're never out of a game as long as he's in there. At the same time you have such a dynamic offensive threat that teams have to adjust their entire defensive scheme. I don't care if he turns it over three times a game it balances out with all he offers, even if he's not making the plays. Next year will be special. I think he gets it done and heads to New York. I have a feeling 16 has saved the best for last.

LandryHD

December 1st, 2011 at 2:32 PM ^

He is dilusional...

Rodriguez offense

  • Acquire: B+
  • Develop: B+
  • Deploy: A

Terrible in the B1G

 

Brady Hoke so far (tenuous)

  • Acquire: A
  • Develop: A-
  • Deploy: B+ (provisional)

He didn't acquire an A team. Sorry!

Jeff

December 1st, 2011 at 3:49 PM ^

It's not a grade for what level of players was on the team when he got there, it's a grade for his recruiting.

Hoke has recruited a top 3 class so far this year.  That might drop a little as other teams get full classes but I would be shocked if the recruiting class is out of the top 5 or 6.

I would say that is an A in acquiring players.