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Jihad The Second: Mike Forcier, Mike Schofield Deny Allegations

By Brian — August 30th, 2009 at 1:06 PM — 61 comments
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Earlier: Practical Matters.

jihad20062007terceraguerramundial01l[2]  barwis_thumb

Tom has talked with the parents of a couple guys on the team. Mike Forcier, whose two elder kids have been at Michigan, Stanford, and UCLA:

"I haven't read the article yet, but I also haven't heard anything about over practice, or anything like that.

"I've had three sons in college football now, and they've all gone through the same things so far. Tate has been doing the same things as his brothers were at UCLA and Stanford."

Mike Schofield, the somewhat confusingly-named father of freshman offensive lineman Michael Schofield:

Michael came home a couple times to visit, and there was no one chasing him home to get back to practice. He played games at the dorms, they went to hospitals for sick kids, camps for special needs children, and none of that was in the paper.

They went to study halls a lot, and none of that was in the paper.

My youngest son went to Michigan's sports camp in June, and I said to Michael, "here’s your brother who gets to see and workout with your coach, who you can't even see until August." There were no coaches in disguise monitoring the workouts. The timing of this is terrible.

The worst part of all of this is that the reporters targeted the freshman, with misleading questions they can get them to say anything. I’m a fire chief, and I deal with the media. I don’t let my men deal with the media, because they can get them to say anything. They could make us sound like the worst station out there if they wanted to.

Without names, this article means nothing to me.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 5:21 PM #1
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sells papers

this is getting ridiculous where u have guidelines that r designed to be circumnavigated.carr followed the guidelines probably to the t and michigan suffered for it, while usc,florida,ohio st., lsu,and 100% of the highly successful programs that have risen from the ashes benefited from aggressive strength and conditioning programs. this has steam coming out of my ears.now u have espn reporters soon to be followed by other national sports reporters looking for a story.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 11:35 PM #2
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Posted on: September 2nd, 2009 at 7:41 PM #3
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It is amazing to me how the

It is amazing to me how the average joe on the streets of Ann Arbor knows so little about football. It appears to me that someone is dangling RR to the alums. If the old guard at UM aren't patient they are going drive off a really good coach. He needs a chance to rebuild this program. If they drive him off who else is there to coach a team like this? Les Miles? Don't count on it. This is a smear campaign. Politicians wage war against each other through the media just like this. Wow! This not even an election year.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 5:54 PM #4
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Go Chad.

An Ann Arbor article quoting Chad Henne:

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/chad-henne-players-complaining-about-mich...

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 5:27 PM #5
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This will turn into a

This will turn into a whistleblower story about wow, student athletes do a lot for how little they get compensated, and it happens everywhere! Maybe we should pay them. I can seriously see that being the result of this by the end of the season.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 5:03 PM #6
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Too bad Mike Forcier didnt release a fact sheet. Some comic relief might have been nice.

Kidding aside, nice work by TomVH in getting this stuff on the record.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:45 PM #7
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Med School Violations!!

I have it on first hand authority that the Surgical and Medical Residents at the Univeristy of Michigan Hospital are far exceeding the 80 hour workweek guidelines as recommended by the Resident Review Committee. Exceeding these limitations can lead to penalities and loss of accreditation of the residency* Just who the F$&% do they think they are? I mean what excuse do they have for spending all that time learning?

I also have several friends who were Michigan State D.O.s and they said they always stayed well within the guidelines.

Someone call Rosenberg.

(No, seriously, its true)

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:56 PM #8
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engineering school, no one proctors the tests. they have this "honor code". sounds pretty fishy to me. get assclown sharp on the line.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:16 PM #9
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Mike Schofield brings up a

Mike Schofield brings up a good point about media control...which raises the question:

Will RR excercise tighter controls over the media than he has?

Carr was paranoid about allowing some players to talk to the media, maybe over-paranoid at times...but it was effective in keeping young guys from saying things that would be easily twisted by Rosenberg-ites.

Media Day, is hard to put a cap on, but perhaps RR should cut down on so much of the open-ness to the program that he has allowed. It was a great/nice idea in concept, but clearly is backfiring and not working as the Rosenberg-ites are relentless in picking over the program for anything worth speculating on, like a seagull picking over a piece of old fried chicken lying in the beach parking lot.

"You are what your record says you are" - Bill Parcells

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:22 PM #10
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it certainly would appear

that Lloyd's anti-media approach was well considered. there's obviously not much upside in allowing access beyond what Lloyd permitted.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:36 PM #11
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Transparency

Transparency is the new black. I think he'd have people going 'omg what is Rich Rod doing behind closed doors' more often if he didn't have such open access... I really like his way of doing things, and he has a good personality for the position he is in. Let the kids talk to the media, give them a taste of what they will have to deal with later - they won't have to take the fall for what they say now.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:44 PM #12
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true

it's far from clear than anybody but Lloyd could get away with running the program like he did.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:15 PM #13
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The Freep's itchy trigger finger

After almost 30 years in journalism as both reporter and editor, I read a story like this and see something that was rushed to print before it was nailed down.

If these violations have been occurring since RichRod got here, why haven't any of the departed players gone on the record and/or ratted him out to the NCAA? What would Boren have to fear? Or Threet? Or any number of graduated seniors? Or a host of disgruntled West Virginians who saw the same pattern there?

As an editor, I would send this back to the kitchen for more seasoning. As a reporter, I'd worry that my desire for a scoop has overriden my lack of on-the-record sources, and in the end, sacrificed accuracy. If this reporter is right, he has scored a major coup. If he's wrong, he'll go the way of Rob Parker.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 8:16 PM #14
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Agreed

As a fellow jounralist, I couldn't agree more. We don't use anonymous sources, quite simply because it gives the person an easy out. It's all about Internet clicks for the Freep. This story has thousands talking, so garbage or not, Rosenberg succeeded.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:21 PM #15
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...except i'd wager there's no down side to reporting such as this. it requires the intervention of the editor who already let this get published. at this point, i'm pretty sure this is status quo style journalism from the Freep, which means nobody is going to get fired or otherwise penalized.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:32 PM #16
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True

You are correct sir. This article is getting page views and generating revenue. That's what they want, and damn the facts at this point. It's about the bottom line. The Free Press is probably scraping close to the bottom of its revenue stream.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:45 PM #17
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Idea

How about they take a poll of every single college athlete, at big schools and little, and define:

College
Hours of Scheduled Practice in High School
Hours of Actual Time Spent on *Sport* in High School, including working out alone etc.

I guarantee you that the bigger and better the school, the higher the differential between those numbers will be. In order to be good at something, you have to work at it. It is that simple.

The biggest complainers will be the kids who aren't good enough to start without working out all of those extra hours, who know that they have no opportunities in the NFL.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:26 PM #18
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This is same as it was under Carr

I am friendly with some of the former members of the team. During a family gathering, the subject of offseason workouts came up, and I specifically asked if there was a limit imposed by the NCAA and the player responded: "there are limits, but these workouts are voluntary. Of course, the coaches have a saying: if you don't come to the volunteer workouts, you volunteer to not play."

End of Story IMO.

There is no more complete school anywhere.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:50 PM #19
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Mike Schofield

I like the point he made about how the good things that the team did around the community and in the classroom never was in the news, but the bad stuff always is.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:06 PM #20
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Welcome to the History of the World

This surprises you?

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2009 at 7:26 PM #21
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What will be surprising is if

What will be surprising is if Alabama can be fifth in the SEC. You need to go home and route for your barely emerge crimson sewer tide.

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Posted on: August 31st, 2009 at 12:12 AM #22
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Not surprised

I never said that it surprised me. I understand that negative news is what sells. I was just agreeing that the media makes Rodriguez out to be a thug when he does a lot of positive things for the University and the community.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 8:17 PM #23
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Typical media sensationalism

The Freep and other media outlets will continue to publish material like this becuase it sells. They are a business, and right now, that business is slowly dying. I would know. I've been in it for 11 years. Right now, the number of Internet clicks that site is generating, plus the buzz its creating is some of the best free advertising that exists. Even if people hate the article (and I'm one of them), it has people talking. Look at what it has done to this board. We are giving the paper exactly what it wants. Right or wrong, the article already served its purpose perfectly.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:27 PM #24
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Joe Schad...

Joe Schad is now on his way to Ann Arbor, according to his Twitter feed.

So, I'm assuming he'll be on his way to every other program after that, right?

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:32 PM #25
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What? That is strange and

What? That is strange and cannot be good.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:23 PM #26
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stop, you're worried about nothing

http://cnbsports.com

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:32 PM #27
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if we beat western, this will

if we beat western, this will be forgotten. i immediately got in a frenzy when i heard this but i'm starting to think it's all a bunch of bs. i just talked to one of my good friends who was on the team last year and he agreed that it's just a lot of hot air.

i only respect other superfans

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 4:16 PM #28
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If? If? You're right, if.

If? If? You're right, if. Sad.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:18 PM #29
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Don't hear this biatching down in the SEC

Ever. From anyone. This is the first hint of UM's EPIC FAIL this season. I get a lot of clients who are former Michiganders and I used to kid them about UM "once upon a time having a football program" after last season. Apparently I was fairly prescient as I'm afraid this is a terrible harbinger of things to come. You can't win with people who don't want to be there, and this is how that manifests. I can't imagine some douchebag bitching to the PRESS about "long practices" under Bear Bryant or Urban Meyer, etc. I will no longer make that joke as it will hit too close to home. My condolences fellows. =(

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Posted on: September 2nd, 2009 at 7:22 PM #30
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I did not know that SEC fans

I did not know that SEC fans knew about words like "prescient". I always thought you guys don't go to class. You and Bubba have been drinking too many mint juleps. All that talk you forgot about how Florida got spanked the last two times ('96 and '08) Michigan faced them. Alabama lost to Michigan the last two times they played each other. So take your prescience turn it around and remember to look back at UM kicking SEC butts. We are not OSU. We will not be down for long. Remember that! Trunk nose pachyderm!

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:19 PM #31
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We wouldn't need to practice so much if we signed 35 kids per class.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 6:30 PM #32
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the trolls. Just read, enjoy the irony, and move along.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:26 PM #33
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Well, yeah. None of them are

Well, yeah. None of them are complainin' aboot it tho! Hehehe.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:17 PM #34
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Haterade!!!

Someone is undermining Michigan because they didn't get the spot they wanted or they didn't like being told to run everywhere for practice. This is a strategic allegation! If it is coming from a coach or coaches. The purpose is they fear what Michigan will soon become a threat. Go back in history and see how that even the Big 10 made rules to hinder Michigan's dominance. Michigan, in turn, left the B10 for 10 years. This mess is not new. I just wish we kick enough butt over the coming years to shut up the haters. Or just let them eat 40 years of crow.

Even Tressel admits to Michigan's ability to truly transverse transitions well. Personally, I think that Michigan will weather this storm. The comments parents made about the kid's and their Michigan activities was very helpful. Media Hype? Who knows? It is apparent that someone is doing some major hating. I don't think it is true. RR can't be that stupid. He knows he is at Michigan right? The team under the media electron microscope.

I hope things sort themselves out and exonerate my Wolverines. Michigan doesn't need this now!

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:56 PM #35
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Well looks like I won't be

Well looks like I won't be listening to any local sports radio for the next few days. I'm sure the local sparty hosts are going to have a field day talking about this stuff.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:11 PM #36
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That's my thought

I was really looking forward to full immersion this week, but I really don't want to smell this soon to be dead horse for the next week.

Oh, and the game broadcast will be brutal!

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:55 PM #37
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"Without names, this article means nothing to me"

Kudos to Mr. Schofield for this response. Howeva, we do have names, at least one of whom is quoted specifically: Terance Taylor. The clear import of his words was that Sundays were excessive. If he had to be there that Sunday for that amount of time (which needs further clarification) that alone is a violation.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:23 PM #38
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Good Point!

Someone has thrown a stone and hid their hands!

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:41 PM #39
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Mike Schofield

What a great comment from him, that about sums up everything.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:36 PM #40
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Ah fuck it, I went back anyway:

Here's the relevant passage, which Brian highlighted, for hours past the allotted 20, assuming I can read and comprehend:

"With three hours on Saturday and a full day on Sunday, players tallied about 12 hours on those two days. They were off Monday. Players said they would spend an additional three to four hours with the team on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday afternoons, bringing the weekly total to 21- 24 hours."

20+24=44

Average (see previous post) was 44.8 hours per week. So we're actually at most below the average? Jeebus. Get fucked, Freep. And thanks for providing the proper context.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:16 PM #41
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Clarification?

I thought the Freep article implied that "...21 - 24 hrs" meant we were somewhere between 1 - 4 hrs over the 20 hr maximum, which would put us 20 - 24 hrs below the national average reported by USA today.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:38 PM #42
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just to elaborate

there's no way the Freep goes to press with this if we're talking a couple hours worth of "violation". if so, the story has nothing to stand on. i went back and read Brian's take and he seems to agree with your reading. if so, i can't believe the Freep put this in their paper. that's just a hit job.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 6:26 PM #43
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It sure does

Has that hit-job feel to it, don't it? As much as I would like to agree and say that the Free Press wouldn't do that to Michigan, I am not too sure. They are trying to sell papers and generate web hits. Note that they waited to run the story until they could put it above the fold on the Sunday (and most expensive) paper. All the other stories they could cover, and they went with this. Page one, above the fold.

The ambiguity to this as far as what player worked how many hours in what workouts is the most troubling thing. It allows Rosenberg to lump hours and quotes together to form vague allegations. Why didn't he get specific and write something like "Player A said that his week was typically x hours on Monday, y on Tuesday" and so on? That way he could total the hours allegeldly worked by a specific but unnamed player. He could even identify which hours were mandatory and which were "vountary workouts." That would have been a solid peice of journalism that would have been hard to dimiss.

So why didn't Rosenberg do that? Maybe the answer is that the specific totals would show 24 or so hours a week, including some time that was "voluntary." But that is no way to sell papers and generate web hits.

Remember, hit men get paid.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:21 PM #44
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that seems ludicrous

i'm pretty sure i did it right.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:46 PM #45
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Unless I am mistaken, you have a phantom 20 hrs.

Magnus also did this math elsewhere, but to put it in the context of the quoted text:

Saturday + Sunday = 12 hrs
Monday = OFF
Tuesday = 3.5 hrs (i.e., "three to four hours")
Wednesday = 3.5 hrs
Thursday = 3.5 hrs
Friday = OFF (???-- not mentioned)
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Freep Total = 22.5 hrs

USA Today average = 44.8, so we're 22.3 hours below the USA Today average. Not sure where the other 20 hrs you implied are coming from.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 3:00 PM #46
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i read it as

"in excess of the limit per day"

so the count would start with 20. i went back and re-read, though. it looks like your/the Magnus tally is correct. which makes the Freep's work all the more galling. i suspect their work is way off, since as i said i doubt UM does far less than everyone else. really, i'm not sure what it amounts to other than certain anonymous players bitching. and i'm pretty sure it isn't starters bitching either.

iow: full of sound and fury, etc.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 2:39 PM #47
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Eh, I agree with the Panda.

Eh, I agree with the Panda. The quote implies the full number of hours for Saturday and Sunday, and doesn't change tone when describing Mon (off), Tue, Wed, Thurs, and Fri (assumed off?) I read it as 1-4 hours over the maximum 20.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:33 PM #48
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Bo

In Bo's time there were no compliance officers, nobody cared about how many hours the team practiced, and everyone did just fine with their lives. If the Free Press tried to print some bullshit like this the "journalist" would get punched in his pussy little face. I practiced way more than 20 hours per week when I was in high school. This is D-1 football. For the free press to try to make a story out of something that is without a doubt the norm in college football, it is obvious they have a vendetta against Michigan and RR. No wonder why Lloyd forbade any interaction with the press, they do nothing but try to fuck us in our hiny holes.

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:33 PM #49
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I too am most concerned about

I too am most concerned about this coming from players who are still on the team. I understand Stokes' and Hawthorne's comments were likely taken out of context, and were possibly baited, but if there are others this would probably contradict the "buying into what we're doing" meme we've heard so much about this offseason. It could really divide the locker room, and more so, could divide the players from the coaching staff. That could create a huge cascade, ultimately resulting in firing of the staff (maybe not this year, maybe not even next year, but eventually due to internal strife).

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Posted on: August 30th, 2009 at 1:35 PM #50
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Disagree

If this were about paying players, favoring some players over others, etc., then it could lead to the apocolyspe you suggest. If the only thing RR and staff are doing is demanding tough practices and pushing NCAA practice limits, he's not getting fired. This ends when the players who can't adjust to RR regime leave or are weeded out. Period.

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