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Future Hoops Originals: Will Tschetter, Defense Comment Count

Matt EM July 23rd, 2020 at 2:30 PM

Previously: Offense

I made the trip to the Minneapolis last weekend to get a detailed look at 2021 commit Will Tschetter at the D1 Summer Classic. Suiting up for the Minnesota Heat, Will generally plays lower level competition in both high school and AAU, so this was the rare opportunity to evaluate him against legit competition in the championship game against D1 Minnesota (Adidas sponsored with multiple Division 1 prospects).  

My general approach is to refrain from making evaluations based on a single performance. Three games is adequate to get a good feel in my opinion, as there are enough highs and lows to properly assess strengths and weaknesses. In line with that philosophy, I took in three live games of Will on Sunday. The first two games in bracket play came against D1 Minnesota’s 17u B team (essentially 1 low-major D1 prospect and a roster full of NAIA/D2 prospects) and the Minnesota Fury (all NAIA/D2 prospects).

The championship game is the matchup I was hoping for, as Tschetter squared off against D1 Minnesota’s Adidas team featuring high-major prospects in 2021 EM 4* forward David Joplin, 2021 big/Minnesota commit Treyton Thompson, 2022 EM 3* guard Tamin Lipsey and 2022 EM 3* guard Eli King among others. 

In a two-part analysis, we examined Will’s offensive capabilities in Part I of this Future Hoops Originals.  Today, we’ll shift to the defensive end. I have inserted scouting notes within the clips below to assist you in walking through the film from a scouting/evaluation point of view. 

To aid in identifying Tschetter and distinguish between teams in the clips below:

Will Tschetter – wears #42 and is wearing purple in all clips

D1 Minnesota B team (gray jerseys/Game 1)

Minnesota Fury (black jerseys/Game 2)

D1 Minnesota Adidas (white jerseys/Game 3)

Physical Profile

It is important to note what my eye test says in order to gain a better understanding of Will’s defensive abilities. Tschetter appeared to be a legit 6’6–6’7 as opposed to 6’8–6’9. 

We all know reported heights are fudged by 1-2 inches, and 2-3 at times. Franz Wagner is listed at 6’9 on the official Michigan roster and 6’8 per ESPN. Wagner is at least a legit 6’8, so the roster fudging isn’t all that bad in this case. 

That brings me to Will, he’s absolutely shorter than Franz by 1-2 inches and doesn’t appear to have great length. That is going to place a certain cap on his defensive ceiling in tandem with some of the physical limitations we detailed yesterday. 

Rim Protection

Tschetter doesn’t provide adequate rim protection. Regardless of competition level or size, he simply lacks the size/length/verticality to block or alter shots at the rim. 

The common theme throughout all 3 games was the offensive player simply outjumping Will to finish over him. It didn’t matter whether the offensive player was 5’11 or 6’6, Tschetter does not possess any quick twitch leaping ability that allows him to elevate from a stationary position.

A Division 1 level guard in 3* Tamin Lipsey was also able to plow through him and maintain balance while Will was completely erased. That was a bit concerning for a prospect that is 2-3 inches taller and probably 15-ish pounds heavier. 

Tschetter flashes the ability to block shots when he has a few steps to gather momentum and elevate. This probably doesn’t translate in the B10, as he won’t have the requisite time to take 2-3 steps for a rotation before elevating. 

You probably don’t need me to say it after watching the clip above, but Will doesn’t project to be a rim protecting big. His defensive survival as a backline defender is going to be dictated by taking proper angles and beating the opposition to the spot. 

[Hit THE JUMP for Ballscreen Defense and Perimeter Defense.]

Ballscreen Defense

No question about it, Tschetter is best suited to play drop coverage against pick and roll action. 

The very first possession in the clip above clearly demonstrates why. A lower level (think JUCO/NAIA level prospect) guard uses a simple hesitation dribble and Will loses balance and almost falls. 

Although he was in drop coverage on that particular possession, one can only imagine that scenario 20 feet away from the basket on a blitz/hard hedge. The defense would open like the Red Sea for open layups and triples after the ballhandling guard breaks him down with tons of space to work with. 

When he does blitz, Tschetter can be out of control and either foul or overextend. Neither of these options are attractive for Juwan Howard.

In drop coverage, he flashes the ability to get enough depth on his drops to take away the roll man while inviting floaters. He doesn’t get enough depth at times and will lose inside position because of it. I’m not necessarily worried about that, though, as Coach Howard will certainly teach him proper depth and angles to take away the potential lob and offensive rebound. 

Michigan typically utilizes drop coverage versus ballscreens under Juwan Howard absent Brandon Johns playing the center spot. That will absolutely continue with Will Tschetter based on defensive philosophy and Will’s capabilities. I’ll say it again, drop coverage can really mitigate your bigs getting exposed provided you have a guard that applies backside pressure after getting screened (Eli Brooks is outstanding at this). 

Perimeter Defense

The lack of agility is well documented at this point, so it should come as no surprise that Tschetter struggles on the perimeter.

He bites on shot fakes from the perimeter frequently and doesn’t have the recovery speed or length to get back in the play. Even when he’s in solid position and doesn’t take the shot-fake bait, he struggles to stay in front of the offensive player. 

EM 4* Forward David Joplin is of similar size to Will and it took him only 2 dribbles in a straight line to gain the advantage before drawing a foul. 

He does flash the ability to stay connected when the offensive player chooses to attack laterally and settles for a midrange pull-up rather than getting downhill. 

I could have dedicated an entire section to closeouts, but I’m going to save you the pain. Much like the first possession above, Tschetter is often out of control on closeouts and leaves his feet to contest. That provides the offensive player an open lane and easy finishes at the rim. 

Will isn’t equipped to defend any B10 player capable of creating a shot from the perimeter. Just doesn’t have the agility, length, or elevation that one needs to do so. 

Off-Ball Defense

This part of the defensive evaluation was the most problematic and also the most difficult to project. Tschetter has physical limitations that make it likely he’ll never be more than an adequate defender, but his off-ball awareness was alarming, to be candid. 

He gets caught ball-watching at an extremely high rate. Will loses track of his man and open 3s are often the result. EM 4* David Joplin (recent offers from Texas/Minnesota/Missouri/Butler) was the primary assignment for Tschetter, and one would think Joplin was a pre-game focal point for Will’s coach. Joplin scored 8 points based on Tschetter’s lack of awareness, and didn’t have to work very hard to get those points. 

I can only speculate, but it appears Will wants to utilize a zone-like/pack-line approach to defense. Perhaps he’s cognizant of his physical limitations and masks them in this fashion? In any event, he has serious issues staying attached to his assignment. 

In terms of projection, this is extremely difficult. Underclassmen at the college level typically struggle with off-ball defense, let alone a high school senior. So this is something I’d expect Tschetter to improve at with experience, as do most other prospects. On the other hand, the rate at which he was caught ball-watching gives me concern in tandem with his physical limitations. Will appears to be a smart player on the offensive end, so the lack of IQ on the defensive end doesn’t add up. 

Rebounding

In Tschetter's defense, he’s relegated to the perimeter a lot on offense as the popper in pick-and-pop action, which mitigates his ability to crash the boards. Still, he's a sub-par rebounder despite the “great motor” reputation. I’m going to spare you the trouble of viewing possessions where he doesn’t pursue the glass or can’t come up with a contested board. 

Will didn’t tally more than 4 rebounds in any of the three games I viewed. That is definitely a bit underwhelming when considering his size and the competition level in two of those games. 

Really not much analysis here, he doesn’t rebound outside of his frame and lacks the ability to come up with contested rebounds in traffic.

In order for him to see the court at Michigan, his motor on the glass will need to improve substantially, particularly on the defensive end. As a non-switchable defender that doesn’t provide rim-protection, it is absolutely imperative that he cleans the glass. 

Summary and Projection

For defensive purposes, Will Tschetter is an undersized big that doesn’t move well, lacks the elevation to protect the rim and needs to improve his motor.

Functionally, that translates to a player not capable of defending guards or wings, and perhaps too small to check legit back-to-the-basket scorers of the B10 in the mold of a Trevion Williams, Luka Garza and Daniel Oturu. 

He’s a tweener on defense that you hope gets by with drop coverage masking some his physical limitations. He’s a very matchup dependent player whose playing time will likely be dictated by his offensive production/advantage. 

Bringing this all together, Tschetter’s utility is going to be based on the opposition playing a slower/traditional big whose advantage on the block is less than Will’s advantage on the perimeter.

Tschetter will likely cap out as an adequate defender at best based on size/length/athleticism limitations. You hope that drop coverage and his improving awareness/IQ get him to this level and perhaps better. 

I’ll answer this here since I’ve seen it thrown around: I think it may prove difficult to play Tschetter at the PF spot along with another big (Dickinson). The lack of team agility with those two playing in the same lineup would likely be damning, even for short stretches. In order for Will to play with another big, his partner on the back end likely needs to be switchable and a good rim protector. 

Comments

lsjtre

July 23rd, 2020 at 2:46 PM ^

With the lack of live sports in these COVID times, these articles delving into the commits is really enjoyable and extremely informative. I feel come the next time these teams play I will be far more informed than ever on the young up and coming talent! Well written!

Matt EM

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:17 PM ^

I'll admit I'm a bit less enthusiastic about Tschetter after viewing him live in Minneapolis. The biggest thing for me is that he's nowhere near 6'9, I think that would make a big difference here.

That said, this is a solid pickup for a class that is going to be 6-7 deep. He'll be a change of pace big that may be a legit offensive weapon as an upperclassmen. 

 

SanDiegoWolverine

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:30 PM ^

Let's be honest, if this was an LB recruit for football and the scouting report was, "undersized, struggles to drop into coverage, can't blitz, not a side-to-side player but a great tackler who can really read the play and knows where to be" people would be freaking out on here. This kind of recruit just doesn't have a lot of upside to be honest. If he was 4 or 5 inches taller, sure. 

When I looked at his highlight video in the Hello post I also didn't like his form, too slow and too low. I think this a low floor medium upside recruit. You got to be able to either protect the rim or guard on switches/hedges as a modern center to start on a good defense as a center. He won't be able to do either it looks like. 

Matt EM

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^

As an avid NBA fan, I completely agree with your statement that its basically mandatory to be switchable and/or protect the rim at that level absent elite offensive skills.

But college basketball lacks the talent to exploit the physical limitations to a certain extent. The players in the B10 simply aren't that good (in relation to the NBA). For perspective, Teske was a legit 7 footer that couldn't really punish the opposition in the post for switching guards on him in PnR. 

I'm not trying to mask his limitations, they certainly exist. But if his offense is clicking it will be more than enough to compensate for any defensive deficiencies. 

SanDiegoWolverine

July 24th, 2020 at 6:26 AM ^

Thanks for the response. I love your stuff EM. But shouldn't every recruit be a plausible defender, right? The general role is that as you move from 1 to 5 defense becomes more important. As a potential 5 he just doesn't seem plausible. Usually an undersized 5 makes up for it in leaps, length, or girth. Our man doesn't seem to have any of these. 

But I would so love to be wrong. I'm not mad at JH but it seems with 13 scholarships we shouldn't spend any on "might top out as a great 6th man as an upper classmen."

Matt EM

July 24th, 2020 at 9:38 AM ^

I was a bit more diplomatic above, but I'll be more transparent for this particular response.

In theory, yes, you'd like every player on your roster to be a plausible defender. But we're talking about college basketball here. Frankly, we all know the talent level in college just isn't very good, particularly the last 2-3 years. Its at an all time low.

That sort of feeds my next point. Because of the lack of overall talent in college, the opposition just isn't equipped to exploit limitations at a rate that makes a given player unplayable.

An example would be Cassius Winston............he's likely unplayable vs starting guards in the NBA based on his physical limitations as a defender. He'd get torched for 35-40 points a game attempting to defend the likes of Lillard, Paul, Morant, Curry, Westbrook, Holiday, Fox..........and that's just the Western Conference. However, at the college level he wasn't exploited because the talent just isn't available to do it.

I guess my overarching point is this, if he can space the floor from distance against slower bigs that can't punish him in the paint, he'll be a net positive. And that's likely to occur in most B10 games sans the Garzas/Oturus of the world.

Look, there's no way in hell Will Tschetter will ever be an NBA player in my opinion. I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that there's a path to him being a net positive for the Michigan Wolverines. 

TrueBlue2003

July 24th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

It's a lot easier to hide offensive limitations than defensive limitations though.  You have the control to design your offense around your players skills to minimize weaknesses.  So that's why Teske was still a major plus player despite some offensive limitations.

But the opponent can design their offense around your defensive weaknesses to exploit them.  And Big Ten coaches are usually able to do this.  It's why Wagner didn't get a whole lot of time his first two years despite being an excellent offensive weapon.

This was really rough film for him against some competition he should be dominating.  He has a lot of defensive deficiencies and other than the focus and smarts, he probably can't do much about them.

Great write up though.  Excellent analysis.

Quailman

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:44 PM ^

He's not going to be a superstar, but in class of 5 to maybe 7 guys, he's probably a solid rotation/bench guy who could win a matchup as an outside shooting big and guy who sets screens and is a pick and pop threat that helps the guards out. If you think Camp Sanderson can help some of the physical limitations, he's a guy you can take a chance on in a huge class and not be worried if he doesnt blow up. 

Matt EM

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^

I haven't seen him play live. What I do know is that his sister, Kysre, suited up for the UM women's team before transferring to West Virginia under less than ideal circumstances.

Grant's father, Grant Sr, had a cup of coffee in the pros. Junior is only 6' at this point though to the best of my knowledge. 

spiff

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^

Yeah, looking at the clips in the previous post I thought there was no way this guy is 6'9". At that height some of his liabilities would be less of an issue.

If he is "an undersized big that doesn’t move well" then he'll have his work cut out for him to see significant minutes. Definitely has time to put in the work though.

If he can make the 'pick and pop' game effective enough to overcome some defensive issues than that may help.

AC1997

July 23rd, 2020 at 3:59 PM ^

Man....I was pretty excited about him as a sleeper Beilein-like recruit who could hit jumpers, show effort, exploit mismatches, etc.  I never thought he was a starter, but definitely saw him as a rotation player.

After this?  Yikes...  You're telling us that he's closer to a guard's height, sucks at defense, doesn't rebound, can't jump, has one post move, and at best tops out as an okay pick-and-pop guy.  Frankly, it makes me wonder a lot about this signing.  I've defended it because he's a solid franchise guy in a big class - but your analysis doesn't even make him seem like a D-1 player, let alone a top-half-of-B10 player.  

The player comp that jumps to mind is Max Bielfeldt at this point.  A try-hard, ground-bound, tweener who develops a decent shot but has no real position and struggles to play meaningful minutes.

This bummed me out.....

 

TrueBlue2003

July 24th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

I don't get where the "try-hard" comes from here.  He doesn't rebound or play good defense so even if it looks like he's trying hard, it's not effective.

Beilfeldt was a much bigger, more stout guy so he could body up with bigger post players and keep them off the block reasonable well.  Even if they could still shoot over him, he was a very good rebounder. He had an OREB rate over 12% and DREB rate around 18%. 

In fact, he was a much better rebounder than his counterpart his final season at Michigan, Ricky Doyle, who only had reb rates of 10% and 11% respectively.

The only reason he didn't play over Doyle that season, I presume, is that he didn't really effectively stretch the floor that year.  He was only 8/30 (27%) from three that year.  That part of his game didn't come through, at least in games, until his year at IU when he shot 45%.

I've been saying Evan Smotrycz all along and this film reinforces that even more for me in terms of play style and is probably his ceiling. Smot was a key rotational piece on a big ten championship team thanks to lights out 50/42/77 shooting.  It would be a huge bonus if this guy could match that.

Problem is, he's a couple inches shorter and that's likely to keep him guy off the floor even if he could be that effective on offense because his defense and rebounding is likely to be worse, and Smot was merely adequate in those areas.

Matt EM

July 24th, 2020 at 3:17 PM ^

I've often noted that prospects that play lower level competition in HS and/or AAU often struggle at the high-major college level because adjusting to the speed of the game (essentially athleticism/size) is just too much.

Just some food for thought:
 

Ricky Doyle

Matt Vogrich

Max Bielfeldt

Cole Bajema

Adrian Nunez

Mark Donnal

 

Not saying Tschetter will be underwhelming at Michigan, but I am saying that evaluating highlight clips against vastly inferior HS competition can be very deceptive. 

Unsalted

July 23rd, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^

Thanks Matt,

Would you say is D is better/worse or about the same as Duncan Robison's when he got to Michigan? I hope he has an improvement path that makes his D 'average' over time.

Matt EM

July 23rd, 2020 at 8:57 PM ^

Can’t say that I ever viewed Duncan live in HS or D3, so I’m afraid I can’t speak intelligently on his defensive abilities during that period.

What I can say is that Will Tschetter has some physical limitations and lapses in awareness that are going to make it an uphill battle for him to excel on that side of the court.

Quailman

July 24th, 2020 at 1:40 PM ^

And he very well might. Or he very well work hard over the next year to be ready. Who knows.

He was offered because the class needs 5-7 guys in it and he has some skills the staff likes. They arent going to get seven 5 stars, or even seven 4 stars. Some guys need to be role players or pickups with potential.  

byrd390

July 24th, 2020 at 1:54 PM ^

Look, he is a polite kid from Minnesota. The coaches need to lock him in a ‘69 Chevelle with a live cougar and whichever one of them survives gets to suit up for the team.