Jack Sanborn is our dangerman [David Stluka]

Fee Fi Fo Film: Wisconsin Defense 2021 Comment Count

Alex.Drain October 1st, 2021 at 9:00 AM

Previously: Wisconsin Offense 2021 

Welcome back to this week's edition of Fee Fi Fo Film. Yesterday we took a gander at Wisconsin's beleaguered offense and tried to dissect the problems and explain what has gone wrong. The feel of this post, looking at the Badger defense, will be quite different. Great defenses have been rolling out of Madison for a long time now, and this year doesn't look to be much different. They held PSU to 16 points, EMU to 7, and Notre Dame to 20 (Irish got 21 on special teams/defense). This is a very good unit and it will be leaned on heavily to beat Michigan. So what's it like? Well, as you'll see, much of the same. 

 

The Film: We're using the Penn State game for this, as we did for the offense. Penn State is a decent comparison for Michigan offensively, with their really good running back group similar to Michigan's, but PSU plays with more WR's and in a more spread manner, formation-wise, than Michigan does, which we'll highlight below. If you read the offensive piece, Wisconsin held the ball forever on offense, which limited Penn State to ~17 minutes time of possession and just a shade over 50 plays. It's not a ton of film, but there's plenty here to get an adequate feel for the Wisconsin defense, even if this may be a shorter article than normal. 

Personnel: The chart. 

Wisconsin looks like the Wisconsin defense that we know so well. They still run their 3-4, just with some new names and faces in the front seven and the same old faces in the secondary. The defensive line (the three down linemen) has changed around a bit since last year but is still pretty solid, with NT Keeanu Benton as the headliner in the middle, bookended by veteran Matt Henningsen on one side and Isaiah Mullens on the other side. The DL's objective is to eat up offensive linemen and open holes that their murderous LB corps can come screaming through to either stuff the run or sack the QB. Backups along the DL are not used heavily, but Bryson Williams is on the two-deep at NT and Rodas Johnson is the first off the bench at either DE spot. 

Those murderous LB's are 4/4 in receiving stars, which is not surprising given Wisconsin's track record at developing LB's. Their outside LB's often line up at the line of scrimmage as seen on Seth's diagram, and then they may rush or they may drop back into coverage. Nick Herbig is a fresh face opposite Noah Burks, who has paid his dues in the Wisconsin program, as the starting OLB's. Burks plays what Seth calls the "WATT" role, which is the pass-rushing OLB job, whereas Herbig plays the "SCHOBERT" role, which requires dropping into coverage more. Both guys can do both roles, but generally Burks rushes more than Herbig and Herbig drops into coverage more than Burks. The backups at that position include Spencer Lytle and CJ Goetz, but the two starters get the bulk of the work. 

The ILB's are a pair of studs, Jack Sanborn and Leo Chenal. Unfortunately, Chenal tested positive for COVID-19 prior to week one, so he doesn't appear in any of the footage in this post, but he's a very good football player (you'll probably see that Saturday). Sanborn gets the shield as a borderline-All American and you'll hear plenty about him in this post. Both ILB's have to be able to cover and tackle, as a typical linebacker would, but they are also used heavily in rush packages, especially Sanborn. Mike Maskalunas is the third option at ILB to know about, and I saw quite a bit of him in the PSU game with Chenal out. 

The secondary is very veteran, with all four starters being at least fifth year players. Caesar Williams and Faion Hicks, the latter of whom played at Flanagan with Devin Bush and Josh Metellus, are the starting CB's. Scott Nelson and Collin Wilder are the two safeties, and both can come up into the box and run stuff, or play a deep safety role in Wisconsin's Cover 2 alignment. Dean Engram is the nickel that Wisconsin used a decent bit in this game, while John Torchio came on as a reserve safety in the PSU game too. Deonte Burton and Alexander Smith have also gotten snaps at corner. 

[AFTER THE JUMP: The LB's are gonna get ya]

Base set: Wisconsin runs a 3-4 that looks a lot like what Michigan is doing this season from a bird's eye view. Against an opponent playing the way Michigan does on offense, they're playing Cover 2 to pair with the 3-4 front seven and it lines up looking something like this: 

You've got the three DL's with a hand in the dirt and then the standup OLB's who play close to the line of scrimmage looking like edge rushers. The two ILB's are playing in a typical position, and two safeties 10+ yards past the line of scrimmage, only one of which you can see in the above image. The OLB's appear to be edge rushers, but the trick of Wisconsin is that that's not always what happens. Sometimes they'll rush, but sometimes they'll release and drop into coverage, and it's instead one of the ILB's who rushes. You don't really know where it's coming from and that's how they stop opponents. 

Against PSU in this game, they were running a base set that looked more like this: 

Two down linemen, the four LB's, and five DB's. PSU ran a lot of 10 personnel with 4 WR's and 1 RB like in the above clip, so Wisconsin countered by using more DB's and less in the front seven. Michigan, as we know, is highly, highly unlikely to run much of anything out of 10 personnel, so if you see this 2-4-5 look in the clips I show, remember it's going to be 3-4-4 against UM on Saturday, assuming the Wolverines play the way they have the whole season personnel-wise. 

Man or zone coverage: Mostly zone. Cover 2 is the base for Wisconsin but they rotate into Cover 1 and Cover 3 some. When they do go into the 2-4-5 alignment I showed in the image previously, they will occasionally disguise a DB blitz, which Seth drew up years ago and appears in the Wisconsin Defense FFFF annually: 

They'll ask the corners to play man sometimes, but it's a lot of zone and that sometimes can lead to busts (more on that later). 

Pressure: The Badgers come in at 4.23 rushers per play this season, which is in line with their historical average that we track here on FFFF. It was a bit higher last season, but in 2019 it clocked in around 4.10, so we're right in the same range that is typically the case for Wisconsin. They rush four on most downs, occasionally bumping it up to five and every so often dropping it to three, but four is your expectation when you roll into Madison. 

Dangerman: For the second straight year the Dangerman is ILB Jack Sanborn, and there's a lot of reason for that, as he's an absolutely terrifying blitzing LB. The whole goal of Wisconsin's DL is to keep the holes open for players like Sanborn to come ripping through them and PSU's offensive line did not do a great job of winning its battle in the trenches in this one. On some occasions, it was Sean Clifford who paid the price of Sanborn's fury: 

LB #57 coming around the left end

Sanborn typically lines up in the normal ILB spot, as we saw in the above diagrams, but when he rushes, he's either looping around a stunt like in this clip, or finding the open hole between the tackles. And once he gets going, Sanborn's speed rushes are hard to stop until he's thumped the QB. Even if he doesn't hit the QB, he can blow up a play by forcing a throwaway, which he does here alongside Noah Burks: 

#57 coming around right end

On this play, his compatriots in red failed to bring down PSU RB Keyvone Lee, but Sanborn cleaned it up for a TFL: 

He's best as a rusher, but Sanborn can stuff the run and cover fine. This game will be a huge test for Michigan's OL in terms of recognizing tricky rushers and disguised blitzes, and one of those tricky rushers will inevitably be Jack Sanborn. Watch out for him. 

 

Overview

The Sanborn section gives you a good hint about where Wisconsin is most dangerous, which is in their front seven. The defensive ends may be a bit weaker than normal, but it's also hard to tell right now, because any deficiencies on the DL are being patched up by the LB's. I gave you lots of juicy clips of Sanborn wreaking havoc, but I'll throw some more for you from Nick Herbig and Noah Burks, both of whom were excellent in this game. Here's another one from Burks: 

#41 lined up to the bottom of the formation

PSU had lots of problems picking up these stunts and disguised blitzes. This one isn't even a disguised blitz, it's just Herbig stealing PSU RT Caeden Wallace's lunch money: 

#19 to the bottom of the formation

The ability to have four LB's (Sanborn, Chenal, Burks, and Herbig) who all can become a kamikaze rusher and get home, is what makes the Wisconsin defense so dangerous and also mysterious. Because it allows Jim Leonhard to line up the defense like it's doing one thing, and then pull back the curtain and reveal a different blitz. This is what I'm talking about: 

They have five men at the line and then one at the LB level. The ball is snapped and the two OLB's release and drop into coverage, while it's the ILB who comes blitzing. You have no idea who is coming at you on any given play and all of the options can be devastatingly effective. 

All of that said, if you can protect your QB/the OL can figure out a way to identify the rushers and pick them up, you can beat Wisconsin through the air. Despite a veteran secondary that knows the scheme well, there are still issues down the field. Penn State beat Wisconsin by throwing the ball down the field, despite the general troubles they had protecting Cilfford. Indeed, 143 of the 297 yards PSU gained in this game came on just three plays​​​​​​, all of them deep bombs. Blowing the top off the defense, especially when they're keying in on the run, is the way to even the playing field and give you space in the box. Stuff like this: 

That looks like a bad coverage bust, and it is, but the fact is that it wasn't an anomaly. It happened several times. PSU hit three of these deep balls, and had another wide open for a TD and Clifford missed it. Here's one more such deep shot: 

Wisconsin doesn't exactly have elite athletes in its secondary and while they play zone to try and get around this, one thing we know about zone coverages is that holes do open up, and Clifford was able to exploit them enough for the Nittany Lions to leave Madison with a W. FS Scott Nelson (#9) in particular was involved in all three instances and while I liked him as a run defender and in screen coverage, it seems he can be beaten deep. Michigan should look to maximize this advantage, especially when Cade McNamara's deep balls have looked mostly great this season. 

I say that because it is the best way to take the pressure of Wisconsin's defense off of screens and the rushing game, which are Michigan's bread and butter, and also what Wisconsin is the best at stopping. Nobody has had much success running the ball against Wisconsin this year and with that front seven, you can see why. Plays like this: 

And this: 

If you allow Wisconsin to bring their safeties down into the box, and don't give the LB's anything to do but crash the line of scrimmage, the Badgers will probably muck it up enough to grind your rushing attack to a halt. 

They also were good at blowing up screens in this one: 

PSU's OL doesn't set that one up the best, but this was a recurring pattern. 

All of this said, it's logical when I mention that life got considerably easier for PSU in the second half once Clifford began taking deep shots and hitting them. The box lightened up, and they began to target the DE's more directly and pick up a few chunk gains on the ground: 

Don't play the game Wisconsin wants you to play. 

 

See this man? USE HIM [Bryan Fuller]

What does this mean for Michigan?

The problem is that Michigan is probably going to at least attempt to play Wisconsin's game to start. Because Wisconsin wants to stuff you on the ground and Michigan wants to pave you on the ground. Someone is going to win that matchup. The question will be adjustments. Maybe Michigan finds a way to open holes even against a stacked box, but I'm hesitant to believe that. Whether or not Harbaugh and Gattis will let McNamara off the leash and allow him to target Cornelius Johnson or Daylen Baldwin down the field is my biggest question. Do that and you can get in a groove and it allows you to do some of the things you want to do on the ground. I would be very much in favor of dialing up a deep shot on the first series, to put it out there. 

Obviously, the other thing to reiterate is that this is a huge test for Michigan's OL. They got through the first three weeks with flashing colors and faced a choppier test last week against Rutgers. Now comes the big one: can they do anything against this front seven? Can they pick up the tricky blitzes? We're not asking for domination, fighting to a draw may be enough. The game will be a slog, but it could be helped by throwing it down the field. 

Comments

Hab

October 1st, 2021 at 9:07 AM ^

Cyan on Cade... wow.  That feels harsh given that he's played exactly one bad half of football yet still has been productive.  He hasn't turned it over once.  I get it that we want to see more production, but that's not what he's being called to do.  I also get that criticism is gaining traction regarding his ability to read a defense, but when he does make the right read, which he apparently was able to do outside of the second half of the Rutger game, he's on the money.  It almost feels like the cyan that people want to put on the coaching is being put on Cade as a proxy here. 

MGoBlue96

October 1st, 2021 at 9:55 AM ^

Agreed, I don't know if Cade is indeed the guy long term but it sure as heck seems like we do not have enough data points to determine what exactly h toe is yet. Cyan should be reserved for guys who have established themselves as a clear cut problem for their team with adequate data points to determine that.

Retnep

October 1st, 2021 at 10:21 AM ^

Joe Milton threw the ball 51 times....against Michigan State. Cade has thrown the ball 54 times all season. While he hasn't turned the ball over and hasn't been sacked, the coaching staff doesn't appear to trust him to throw the ball and when the game was on the line last week, he was not effective throwing the ball.

unWavering

October 1st, 2021 at 10:40 AM ^

I really don't think it's about trust.

I think it's that the coaches want to use the most effective and way to move the ball on a down to down basis. With the running game we have, that means running it frequently.

If we had this level of running offense last year I don't think we'd have had Milton chucking it 50 times a game either.

JHumich

October 1st, 2021 at 11:30 AM ^

Sorry, but the "it's just been play selection" argument is just poor.

He has obviously crumbled whenever the pressure has increased. Bad reads. Bad throws. Timidity.  Back-foot quarterbacking. There may or may not be coaching trust to throw, but based upon what we've actually seen, the coaches really couldn't be blamed if they don't. 

What there continues to be is trust that he will run the plays without turning the ball over. This by itself is not enough for what a program like Michigan should be getting from its quarterback position.

On the whole, he's a liability thus far, and the cyan is deserved. If those of you who feel like it's unfair are correct, then all he has to do is play his way out of the little blue circle.

JHumich

October 1st, 2021 at 12:33 PM ^

Not at all. It applies to the entire Washington UTL game, after which it was observed by people in and around the program that he was rattled. 

He had a bunch of poor throws and timid plays, and either the couple of apparent reads weren't even real, or he made them incorrectly.

What you have is pure internet-board narrative that doesn't line up with the actual data that we have. 

There is real data, and that data shows that Cade is a liability at this point.

I hope he does better, but he has in fact done actually badly in a way that is observably worse when we need him more.

Hab

October 1st, 2021 at 12:57 PM ^

There is real data, and that data shows that Cade is a liability at this point.

You're conflating "data" with your conclusion.  As indicated elsewhere, looking at all of the data would also reveal that Cade's been able to move the ball down the field, make proper reads, make difficult, accurate throws, and do what is necessary to win football games.  He hasn't had to lead a come-back winning drive because the team has not trailed this year--all while he's been in the driver's seat of the offense.  There is real data here that doesn't warrant a cyan.  You might look at some of the data and conclude that he's a liability, but I don't see how you can make that conclusion, honestly, where he hasn't turned the ball over one time. 

You make a more persuasive argument that he should have been pulled in the Rutgers game, but that's not the issue here.

GBBlue

October 1st, 2021 at 2:13 PM ^

"Actual data" is cited above. It's also helpful to put data in context. How do Cade's statistics compare with others Big Ten players who hold the same position? Well, if we look, he compares pretty well, albeit on a small sample size. The feelings-ball issue is yours, it just so happens you *feel* Cade is bad, despite the numbers. Apparently, that's "data." 

Of course, Cade's had bad stretches. Is there a quarterback out there who hasn't?

So the cyan is not justified, at least right now. And if it is justified right now, whatever standards are being used to support the cyan should have resulted in Mertz receiving a cyan of such vibrancy as to be blinding. But he got a pass, and that's really hard to defend.

unWavering

October 1st, 2021 at 11:55 AM ^

Here's the problem with you and other and other mgobloggers. You look at everything related to Michigan football with the most negative possible lens, and then do the opposite for everyone else, and therefore you have zero objectivity.

A cyan for Cade? Fine, then you need a deep red or some shit for Mertz. Instead, he's listed as 'fine' and that makes sense? You're honestly going to tell me you'd rather have Mertz throwing the ball for Michigan than Cade? Yeah, I didn't think so. 

Try for once to he objective and fair and you'll see that the sky is not actually falling.

slomjh2

October 1st, 2021 at 4:31 PM ^

The only half Cade has been bad in is after he took the roughing the passer/targeting hit. He went from 8 for 10 to 1 for 6. I don’t think Rutgers is even capable of improving their pass defense that significantly. Either he either lost confidence, was afraid of getting hit again, or was hurt. We will see this Saturday he should have gotten over a minor concussion, but if he lost confidence or is fearful in the pocket it will show. I hope JJ is ready in case.

bronxblue

October 1st, 2021 at 10:47 AM ^

Sure, and that was an awful decision but necessary because the offense couldn't do anything consistently.  And if we go back to 2020, McNamara threw 36 times against Rutgers because they needed him to as well.

The fact UM isn't throwing the ball a ton doesn't necessarily mean they don't have faith in the QB; they certainly didn't mind having him throw a 11 times in the first half as they raced out to a 20-3 lead.

Hab

October 1st, 2021 at 11:11 AM ^

At best, you could criticize us for trying to throw in the max coverage they were playing all game rather than just running the ball even more, but then you'd be arguing that we should be running the ball more.  That would make lots of people around here hypocrites, not that that would stop anything.

joeismyname

October 1st, 2021 at 1:03 PM ^

I think the biggest thing about Cade is that he’s still a bit of a mystery as to what he will do with more attempts, his small sample size this year is making everyone think he might suck (at least what I’m hearing in a few podcasts). I still see 10 YPA, no turnovers, and 4-0 and am encouraged by that as a fan, and it’s hard to come down on him too hard for 5 bad throws in one half, but I certainly hope he and the coaches are working to improve those several bad throws and that doesn’t become a trend over several games. 
 

My bigger concerns after mulling over the Rutgers 2nd half is that the coaches butthole is still too clinched to unleash Cade a little more against stiff competition (especially after a few failed attempts in one drive) and that the receivers are going to become a little demoralized since they are getting very few chances to make plays. Hopefully the coaches put more faith in Cade and receivers to make some plays in tighter windows that push the ball downfield and create more points and wins against Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State, MSU and hopefully OSU. Also, let’s see a couple designed runs for Henning each game, starting tomorrow I hope, although their may be a contentment tomorrow playing for a 14-10 win (although as a fan I hope they truly play for more). 
 

However, I still see Harbaugh in NFL mode where he approaches each game against stiff competition as a chess match which is often a good thing, but hopefully he overcomes SOME of his old ways and takes a few risks that create wins, instead of stalemates where we don’t get the last laugh. I’m not in the camp that wants to throw baby Harbaugh out with the bath water, he is still a great coach who has had a few real clunkers in the last 7 years (2018 OSU,2019 Wisconsin, 2019 OSU to an extent, and 2020 MSU being the ones that really stand out), and also a few times with just shit luck (2015 MSU, 2016 and 17 OSU, 2016 FSU, 2017 MSU, most of the 2017 season really, and then drawing Alabama in the citrus bowl where we did compete well for over 4 quarters). Hopefully he has the humility to adapt over this year in a few ways, but certainly not hand over his identity of the team or as a coach. 
 

Lastly, I could be wrong here, but I don’t see us getting blown out in any games against good teams including Ohio State, which I know isn’t saying a lot, but would certainly be an improvement on how we’ve looked in a few big games since Thanksgiving weekend of 2018. 
 

And that’s my overly long rabbit trail post that started out as merely a deeper look at Cade. 

tkgoblue

October 1st, 2021 at 10:45 AM ^

That Cyan is pretty ridiculous. That’s reserved for “trouble spot”. When exactly has Cade gotten this team into trouble yet? Maybe he deserves it later on, but he certainly hasn’t done anything to get that bad of a rap yet. Maybe Seth should just focus on basketball if he get that upset over an incomplete pass.

dragonchild

October 1st, 2021 at 11:50 AM ^

I don't think the cyan is about his passing, per se.  The word there's been "ask again later".  It's his rushing.  Michigan runs out of a pistol/shotgun spread yet McNamara is downright terrible at the zone read.

If we're gonna be consistent, though, he should probably get a half cyan.

If we're gonna be accurate, though, the cyan should be on the OC.  It's 2021 and Michigan still can't coach the zone read.

GBBlue

October 1st, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^

Or you just junk the zone read. It's not the magic elixir it was half a generation ago. It's a play. We don't run it well. The preponderance of the evidence is we don't do the "read" part of the play at all, which is its whole point. Just don't use it, and free up the play (and the practice time) for something else.

LeCheezus

October 1st, 2021 at 12:25 PM ^

I won't argue that hard against a cyan for Cade, the past few years Seth has been quite good about updating the chart on a weekly basis throughout the season, and he certainly feels like a trouble spot right now with 2 out of last 3 games pretty shaky. However, if he has one then Mertz 100% should also have one cause the dude has 6 picks through 3 games- one game of which was EMU and one was against an ND defense that got torched against FSU.

JonnyHintz

October 1st, 2021 at 4:28 PM ^

I feel like a large part of the cyan is the failure to keep on run reads. Which is a major hindrance to the offense as a whole and doesn’t show up in his “production” and gets added on to the reading the defense issues people have. 

Jonesy

October 1st, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

Right, the way to beat Wisconsin seems to be to play action and throw it deep, throw to setup the run, stack the box on defense, and play press man coverage. So naturally we're going to pound the rock up the middle and play back on defense because we never gameplan for obvious weaknesses or take easy yards.

MGoBlue96

October 1st, 2021 at 9:27 AM ^

So essentially the things UM has not shown consistently or been unwilling to do at times is the only way to really exploit this defense, wonderful. Only silver lining as noted is Cade has actually been accurate on deep balls in a limited sample size when given the chance. Hope the coaches give him the opportunity to take some shots cause if they don't feels like the type of game that will require a herculian effort by the defense just to have a shot. On the flipside if they can connect on a couple shots and the defense plays well they might be able to win by 7+.

Ferg0dsakes

October 1st, 2021 at 9:30 AM ^

I believe Wisco pitched a shutout vs the Fighting Emus (didn't watch, just looking at box score).  QB2 Wolf was in for garbage time and threw a 14pt-swing 98yd pic6.

The Homie J

October 1st, 2021 at 11:07 AM ^

Harbaugh's done it before.  When Shea was struggling in 2019, he put in McCaffrey (who almost immediately got targeted and knocked out for several weeks).  He also played Peters on the road vs Wisconsin in Peters' 3rd start of the year.  Harbaugh's not afraid to use his 2nd QB in tough situations.  Also, for those who think this weekend is a guaranteed loss, look back that 2017 game.  That version of Wisconsin with Jonathon Taylor and Hornibrook was 10-0, and we were starting Peters and were quite frankly, not up to Wisconsin's level, yet we were only down 1 score in the 3rd quarter on the road versus a much better version of Wisconsin than this year's edition, and honestly might have at least kept it within 1 score if Peters didn't get hurt in the 3rd quarter.  We still only lost 24-10.  So doom and gloomers should keep that in mind.

Tex_Ind_Blue

October 1st, 2021 at 9:34 AM ^

Does the coach's tendency to not "practice" certain formations/plays during a game hurt their chances of executing it during a game at a later date? How much effort does it take to bring out new wrinkles every weekend or "on demand"? 

 

dragonchild

October 1st, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^

I think you have it backwards.  If they don't run the plays in practice, they can't run them in the games.  Even adding a wrinkle isn't as simple as it sounds, because defenses are all about trying to confuse the offense.  You need different routes to attack different coverages, and the blocks change depending on where the defense lines up.

I think the benefit of game experience is mostly mental.  You can't simulate the excitement and pressure.  Execution, though, is all about how efficiently the coaches and players use practice time.

You can't coach every possibility, so accurate scouting is of paramount importance.  For example, live reps against Rutgers' Stunt 4-3 won't help a damn in terms of preparing for Wisconsin's conventional 3-4.  If anything, the more you put a play on tape, the more opportunities you give opponents to reverse-engineer it.  Which is why playbooks generally consist of "stop us if you dare" established plays (a base, a counter, and a counter to the counter, i.e., rock-paper-scissors) and "trick" plays.  The former are well-rehearsed against as many looks as possible; the latter don't need as much refinement but are often dropped once they're scouted.

This is what mystifies me about Michigan's insanely risky strategy of running right into Rutgers' stacked boxes.  It doesn't help for future prep and almost lost them the game; that's been discussed to death.  But really, what did they spend all week practicing?  It wasn't the zone read, and they seemed baffled by the same defense they faced last year.  FFFF straight-up re-used Seth's diagram!

Mgoczar

October 1st, 2021 at 9:37 AM ^

Here's a simple question:

 

When the F will Michigan have 6th/7th year everything in the secondary? Seems like every other team has "veteran" guys. 

MGoChippewa

October 1st, 2021 at 12:00 PM ^

On one hand, it's nice to have experienced guys.  On the other, they're still around because they aren't clear cut NFL talents.  I'd rather have a 3rd year Dax Hill or a 4th year Jourdan Lewis than a guy in his 6th year.  Not like we're starting a bunch of freshmen anyways.  Hawkins is in his 5th year, Gemon Green and Vincent Gray are in their 4th year in the program and Dax is in his 3rd.  Only true underclassman regularly seeing the field in the secondary is RJ Moten.