Covid Report! Covid Report!
dance break!
I've been throwing these in UVs but might as well break it out into its own thing as rumors fly willy-nilly about when the Big Ten might start, who is at fault for the Big Ten not starting, and whether or not Urban Meyer is into QAnon now. It's a little bit like a coaching search, except instead of try to scry what one group of decision-makers is doing there are upwards of a dozen different groups, a few of which are covered by people with potatoes for brains.
Then you have an independent wing of rumor-mongers with potatoes for brains.
Ok and a few more guarantees that didn't necessarily come true (YET). And a meeting on September 1st that didn't happen. And guaranteeing November 21 as the start date. But also October 10th. pic.twitter.com/4aELf9w2On
— HuskGuys (@HuskGuys) September 8, 2020
So instead of attempting to sift through this for what might be true this post is largely going to serve as a debunking item.
[After THE JUMP: everything is baffling]
Dan Patrick not as optimistic
The latest from Dan Patrick, who was one of the originators of the "they'll start October 10th" rumor:
“The Big Ten is still up in the air,” Patrick said. “If you were not with us in the first hour, I gave you an update from my source that there’s still a pushback from the medical community in the Big Ten to not play. I was told they simply don’t have enough teams to play.
“I was told that the Michigan teams — not gonna play. Illinois teams — that’s Illinois and Northwestern — are not gonna play. Maryland’s not gonna play. And Rutgers probably won’t play. That doesn’t leave you with much if you’re able to pull this off.
”And now, I’m told that the medical community within the Big Ten is trying to push to November now. It was Oct. 10, that was the target date so that they could get in a 10-game schedule and qualify for the postseason. I don’t think that’s gonna happen.”
Pushing it to November allows football to operate without students for a period of time and gives rapid testing get more established.
That's not to say that I'm taking that entirely at face value. If football does return, Michigan will play. Michigan is in fact one of the less cautious schools in the Big Ten when it comes to coronavirus. Their dorms are 70% full, move-in precautions were unenforced, resident advisors are furious, grad students are striking, the Faculty Senate is preparing a no-confidence vote, and dorm spread is already underway.
If the Big Ten does decide to resume in the midst of Michigan charging headlong into an iceberg it'll be impossible to argue that football shouldn't also careen around blindly. The University's primary goal these days appears to be soliciting donations, and opting out of football is likely to cause a riot.
Mycocarditis number wrong
The PSU doctor who said 30-35% of covid infectees developed myocarditis was incorrect. The rate is lower than that, but I didn't see a firm number. Because no one really knows anything. Some people think this is a reason to do things; some people think this is a reason not to do things.
Pac-12 return to play approach
They think November is the earliest that a point-of-contact test will be widespread enough to play:
Scott said that it did not believe rapid tests like these would be available until late November when it decided to postpone the 2020 season in mid-August, one week before football training camp was set to begin. The Pac-12 hopes to begin playing sports around Jan. 1, 2021.
When the tests are fully online, the Pac-12 will be able to determine if point-of-care testing "prior to practice or competition can decrease or eliminate risk of infection." That alone would significantly reduce the threat of the coronavirus. Those testing positive could be promptly separated and quarantined slowing the spread.
The Pac-12 keeps saying things that make them seem like they're reasonable people making reasonable decisions. Something the Big 10 could look into maybe. They're currently getting dunked on by Larry Scott, the guy who built a hovering castle in downtown San Francisco and split the Pac-12 network into a fractal mass of billions of tiny networks only one organism is allowed to view.
Seems untenable
Either this kind of precaution gets dumped during football season or "team has no longsnappers" is going to feel like a Swedish massage:
Pruitt later added that 31 offensive players did not practice.
— David Ubben (@davidubben) September 5, 2020
Again, majority of these are due to required quarantine after contact tracing. Some because of injury. Tennessee has "seven or eight" active COVID-19 cases on its roster.
If you assume a ~105 man roster with walk-ons, that means this could happen every week of the season if a team gets spectacularly unlucky.
Mark Schlissel's not talking
Speaking to reporters while participating in a parent-led protest on the Big Ten’s postponement of football season, Harbaugh was asked six times in seven minutes about University president Mark Schlissel. He did his best not to publicly criticize a man who’s technically his boss, but the subtext wasn’t hard to see, even without the benefit of Harbaugh’s facial expressions.
His conversations with Schlissel?
“I have had none,” he said.
Does that upset him?
“You think maybe I’ve got some inside information or something. I really don’t,” he said.
This is par for the course for the Big Ten in regards the public. It is incredible that Schlissel hasn't talked to the head football coach at any point when football is the one thing that got canceled. So you've got the head football coach attending a protest against a decision the university president made.
Schlissel's managed to make almost every major group of stakeholders furious at him. I don't think he's going to be around much longer. Once the school hits the iceberg this is going to be the smoking gun:
An advisory committee convened by the University of Michigan’s president, Mark S. Schlissel, composed of several distinguished professors and campus leaders, delivered a 35-page report exploring the ethics of potential campus-return policies and proposing a framework for ethical decision-making.
But in a later letter to Schlissel, dated July 31, the Covid-19 Ethics and Privacy Committee sought “to underscore, with urgency, our concern that current plans for Fall 2020 will not meet the reasonable standard for safety recommended by our report, that good alternatives exist, and that it is not too late to pursue them.”
It is hard to interpret the university administration's actions as anything other than a foolhardy attempt to pretend things can continue on as they have been.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^
Schlissel just landed the MGoBlog kiss of death. The clock has started...
September 8th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
And only just now have I realized that I have been mentally pronouncing his name as Schissel this whole time. Mark, I hardly knew ye.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^
The engineer who became a blogger. The blogger who became a gladiator. The gladiator who defied a president.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:32 PM ^
Haha, well done sir. I legit, LOL'd and I rarely ever actually do that while reading funny stuff.
September 8th, 2020 at 6:15 PM ^
WD: do ya'll remember the time I got Michigan's athletic director fired?
Brian: hold my beer
September 8th, 2020 at 6:49 PM ^
You sir, have won the internet!
+1
September 8th, 2020 at 8:00 PM ^
Logged in just to upvote this fine gem of a post.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:26 PM ^
NFG is right on the money. If you are the topic on the front page article of MGoBlog regarding a potential dismissal/firing ..... just pack it up, tombstone already has the writing on it.
weird, weird times
September 8th, 2020 at 7:52 PM ^
Agreed. Brian may as well have put a picture of oranges on the front page to signal someone's about to get whacked.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
This is really a touchy thing, real grease ball shit. Before Brian can touch a made guy, he has to have a good reason. He needs to have a sitdown, and he better get an okay, or he'll be the one who gets whacked.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
Yikes!
Having the kids in the dorms has seemed untenable to me for months.
My son is a sophomore in an apartment building - and he's a video gamer - so his life is not much different than it was during his freshman year.
But our friends who have freshmen up at Michigan report a lot of boredom and frustration.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^
My freshman niece at UofM is so bored she went to North Campus! (Apparently, for boba. Is that still a thing?)
I got a picture of her and her friends from my brother. All 14 kids who made the trip were wearing masks.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:16 PM ^
What are President Search Bits expected to be like? Clearly not as wildly enthralling as Coaching Search Bits right?
September 8th, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^
Listening to grown ass men (and women) cry about not getting to watch a sport is the COVID entertainment I never knew I needed.
I’m disappointed the season is cancelled. I really am. But it’s time to move on folks.
September 8th, 2020 at 7:42 PM ^
None sense! We will have Big 12, ACC and SEC football to watch. I would prefer to watch Michigan football but I think they pulled the cancel plug way too early. Should have went on a week by week bases. Even if you had to keep canceling every week into late October or November.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:34 PM ^
Every option, other than the one you got, always sounds good.
Could you imagine what this board would be like if week after week we thought we were going to see Michigan play and then found out nope, just kidding, not this week. There are more than a few posters I would truly be worried about their physical and mental health if that happened. It’s better to know the sad reality and deal with it than string along false hope week after week after week.
September 9th, 2020 at 10:31 AM ^
well, the team is still practicing, am i right?
September 9th, 2020 at 3:15 PM ^
It’s better to know the sad reality and deal with it than string along false hope week after week after week.
I agree! My wife asked this morning if I was missing it... I never thought I'd say it, but <insert "this is fine" gif>
I 100% know that football is NOT coming back this fall, regardless of any rumors to the contrary. In this case, #hopehurts
September 8th, 2020 at 4:24 PM ^
I asked the question on the previous front page article that touched on the PSU study. Regarding where the information came from to get the 30-35% number if universities weren't sharing data because I didn't see it in the article. It seems odd that he got that information, second hand, from an ongoing study and still decided to reference it.
That being said, regardless of what you think the new albeit unknown numbers mean for football, it is encouraging that not as many young men and women are coming out on the other side of COVID with myocarditis.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:28 PM ^
So how is this interpreted as anything besides Mark Schlissel is shitting the bed in all possible areas?
September 8th, 2020 at 4:35 PM ^
It's pretty mind boggling that he's reportedly on the cautious side of football, the insanely reckless side of returning to campus for students and seemingly MIA through all of this.
Shitting the bed indeed. That seems like an understatement.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
The MIA isn't good. But, from reading around it seems like 75% of University Presidents have been MIA as regards explaining their decisions. It's unfortunately more the norm than the exception.
September 8th, 2020 at 6:25 PM ^
It will take them forever to fire him, hence the MIA strategy while he keeps collecting checks. Hell, it took Boeing 8 months to fire their CEO after the Max was grounded and everyone knew he was a dead man walking the whole time.
September 9th, 2020 at 10:33 AM ^
yet, he is probably all about transparency for others' decision making processes.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:42 PM ^
What makes it worse is the lack of communication. The Pac-12 isn't saying anything all that informative relative to sports or campus life other than "we're working on testing." But the fact that they've come out and communicated at least gives them the chance to sound like they're engaged, informed, on top of this, etc.
Even some carefully crafted media statements would offer him the ability to stay ahead of this PR nightmare that's developing.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^
Well according to half the posters on here Schlissel is just "carrying out the mission of the university"
September 8th, 2020 at 8:40 PM ^
The superintendent of my local school district was put on administrative leave last night because his response to everything has been seat of his pants. Crisis shows you who people are. Schlissel’s going bye bye.
September 8th, 2020 at 11:49 PM ^
Schlissel is incompetent and should be removed from his position !
September 8th, 2020 at 4:29 PM ^
Schlissel somehow simultaneously claiming we are "having a public-health informed semester" while refusing the idea of an entirely-online semester and not making a case for dipping into the endowment truly shows all he really cares about: Money. Then somehow turning around and refusing a football season as a way to save face about this? His decisions have been horrific thusfar and I'd be surprised if he stayed much longer
September 8th, 2020 at 8:25 PM ^
The revenue maximizing move would be to play football and have 25 K paying fans (on a donation preference basis). I don’t think that is what motivates Schliss here. In fact it’s contra. He is making these decisions despite the financial toll.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:58 PM ^
You really think they make more money with football admissions than they do with tuition for 30k+ students? I find that super hard to believe. They definitely see football/sports as a net loss when you take into account the ridiculous amount of money they spend on athletics. I'm fairly certain Schlissel is using the no sports part as a PR stunt to seem like he cares about students when in reality he has consistently acted throughout the pandemic to maximize profits for the university and has seemingly never considered dipping into the endowment fund (if a global pandemic is not enough of an emergency to override rules about the endowment, I truly don't know what is)
September 9th, 2020 at 2:25 AM ^
The big dollars on the tuition side are OOS fees, which they get anyway, even if it’s all remote. Schlissel is trying to pave some middle path on the dorms, the “campus experience,” etc. I bet this is what the Regents decided on.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:36 PM ^
I would like to announce that I am opting out. Please respect my decision.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:35 PM ^
Great, now we're losing the Transfer Portal. The hits just keep on comin.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:40 PM ^
It seems odd to me that the university would be more aggressive about returning to campus life by conservative relative to sports. Feels very inconsistent - whether they were basing their approach on medical advice or financial concerns. Confusing.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:43 PM ^
Weiser can gtfo with Schlissel as well, can't believe the university allowed someone with those kinds of conflicts to sit on the BoR.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:21 PM ^
I was unaware that the university had the power to overturn state elections
September 9th, 2020 at 11:12 AM ^
This is a massive conflict and major ethical issue. If he doesn't recuse himself from things like this then the university has a serious problem on its hands. I assume the university has removed board members in the past for unethical behavior and I imagine there is some recourse for doing so in this situation. There are a lot of positions in government decided by elections, that doesn't mean the individuals in those positions can never be removed for unethical or illegal behavior. Just because you're in an elected position doesn't mean you can never be held accountable for your actions.
The university should investigate this. If it's as bad as it looks, they should vote to remove him. We shouldn't have to wait for an election.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:44 PM ^
Wait- so is it OK to criticize, or disagree with Schlissel, now? I had been been led to believe that was verboten? Or since I don't have a degree in immunology, do I still need to keep quiet?
September 8th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^
Yes, you need to shut up because there are so many people more intelligent than you and they will tell you what you need to believe. How dumb can you be?
September 8th, 2020 at 9:38 PM ^
/s would've saved you some MGoPoints. Just trying to help.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^
Bingo.......so many people have drank the kool aid because Schlissel is well educated in this area. That's great and all, but education doesn't always translate into being a good leader. It is certainly beginning to look like his leadership skills are highly questionable
September 8th, 2020 at 5:37 PM ^
"... education doesn't always translate into being a good leader."
That's true. Unfortunately some people will conclude that less education correlates with good leadership, then we wind up with a giant baby running the show. Not a hypothetical .....
September 8th, 2020 at 10:48 PM ^
exactly! which is ironic when
- this is a blog whose second motto might as well be "people are just in charge of things for no reason" and
- "IMMUNOLOGY DEGREE!" x 6.02x10^23 times. Like it's some magic incantation that can protect the campus from COVID. Did...did it ever occur to people that he's been in administration (or as profs call it, 'the dark side') for 12+ years? It's not like he's actively out there on the front line keeping up with current developments. You know, like an actual professor.
September 9th, 2020 at 11:17 AM ^
The saddest and most frustrating thing to me about this board is easily encapsulated in the Schlissel situation. He has a background in immunology, and that is great. Seems like that would be important right about now. However, he is not the only one in the world with that background. When looking around at the opinions of immunologists regarding football being safe to play, the overwhelming majority said in a vacuum that it should be safe, however, the players would have to interact with students on campus. It was common knowledge that if the students were on campus, outbreaks would happen in the immunology world. The people on this board have been yelling at everyone for months about listening to the experts, but then immediately deferred to just one expert when defending what Michigan was doing. If you point out the experts who said it was safe to play football even with students on campus, they insulted and belittled you for cherry picking science and data when the majority was against it. Now, the majority was against students on campus, but our expert was going forward anyway. Must defend this expert at all costs. Anyone who pointed this out was down voted and mocked, as is the new tradition around here.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:58 PM ^
Schlissel appears to have taken a moderate, data-driven approach, ensuring that flame-throwers on both sides of the political divide will disagree with him.
https://campusblueprint.umich.edu/dashboard/
As of writing this, 15 students are in isolation for a positive test result and 48 are quarantined due to exposure or awaiting test results. That's 10.5% of the UM isolation housing occupancy. What would the numbers look like if the kids had stayed home? In which situation (dorms vs. at-home) are more susceptible populations put at risk (teachers vs. parents?) I think it's too early to tell, but that's not going to stop folks from calling for his head, from both sides. It's sad, really.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
"Schlissel appears to have taken a moderate, data-driven approach". The problem here is that sometimes that can't be your course of action. There is no moderate approach to allowing kids on campus, or whether you are in favor of football being played or not. These are basically yes or no questions.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:55 PM ^
There's almost always a moderate approach. i.e. limit dorm capacity, have some but not all classes online, play sports a few months later, etc.
70% dorm capacity seems high if that's the number tho.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:19 PM ^
Yeah, I have been unimpressed by Schlissel in terms of his communications (e.g., his interview with the Daily) and his work with stakeholders (e.g., talk to Harbaugh -- a good leader recognizes who key employees are and makes 100% sure they feel heard), but this dashboard shows that Michigan is doing quite well. This is not what I expected, but unless someone has shocking evidence the numbers are being fudged, it's really impressive so far. Credit to the students and staff who are following best practices (without a lot of support, apparently) and making it happen.
Now maybe the numbers will sky-rocket next week, post-Labor Day, but tons of people (including me) thought there would be a huge uptick post-move in week, and that was two weeks ago. It didn't happen, so I'm not assuming anything.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^
I agree. I'm not sure there should be in-person classes, but I don't see any bad 'dorm spread' yet. Tho overall testing numbers aren't exactly robust, i.e. I assume you only get tested if you have symptoms at this present stage.
Note that Harbaugh and Schlissel have been texting, so there is communication.
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