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Brian

11/17/2014 – Michigan 77, Bucknell 53 – 2-0

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then he served Bucknell pancakes [Eric Upchurch]

That was rather impressive. The Bison are not a SWAC pushover. Historically they're one of the best teams in the Patriot League, and while they fell off a bit last year they were still good enough to put scares into Stanford and St. John's and beat Penn State by ten.

Michigan blew 'em off the court, opening up a 48-19 halftime lead and coasting from there.

We never think of the Kenpom. Speaking of the coasting: it got sloppy in the second half, with Michigan settling for a ton of long twos off the dribble with 25 seconds on the shot clock. These went clang, as dictated by Karma, and the blistering hot start petered out into a less than blistering 1.15 points per possession.

Broken record time: I don't mind open jumpers taken in rhythm, especially after you've gotten past a guy on a closeout and know you've got space to elevate without being harassed. I really do not like low-efficiency long twos that come without exploring your possession for better shots. There's a reason you can get those whenever you want. It's hard to yell at guys when you're hammering the opposition, but hopefully that's one of them coaching points that can be deployed.

THE CALVES THAT ATE THE AMERICAN WEST. So… remember that time someone asked why Max Bielfeldt keeps taking threes and Beilein responded that he was an assassin in practice? I guess that's accurate. On a night where one of the Big Three was struggling with his shot and Michigan got little production out of the four spot, Bielfeldt laid waste to the Bison. He hit all three of his attempts behind the arc and scoring 18 on 10 shot equivalents. Max was a one-man Manifest Destiny out there.

Does this mean something going forward? Maybe. Bielfeldt is still way undersized for the 5 spot in the Big Ten, and in this game there were a couple of post buckets by the spectacularly-named Nana Fouland that Bielfeldt could barely contest.

But maybe the four would work? If Bielfeldt is a credible threat in the corner and the matchup doesn't seriously expose him defensively that could be an option, Kenny Kaminski style. Bielfeldt is a decent matchup against Brandon Dawson types who aren't going to blaze by him to the basket, and Michigan's not getting much production out of that spot.

I still don't think you can build a Big Ten defense around a 6'7" post.

[After THE JUMP: rebounding strategy, HULK SMASH, Irvin "not bad" face.]

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[Upchurch]

You box out, we rebound. A weird rebounding night. Michigan was spectacular on the defensive end, allowing just four OREBs. The guys vacuuming up Bucknell misses were, in order: Walton, LeVert, Irvin, and Albrecht. Those guys had a total of 20 DREBs(!) out of 26 total. The only frontcourt guy to get more than one was Ricky Doyle with two, both of those in the last couple minutes.

This continues a theme from the Hillsdale game, in which Caris approached a triple double and the two posts combined for two DREBs in another excellent performance. Now that I'm looking for it, Michigan's defensive rebound strategy appears to put enormous priority on the bigs finding and boxing out their opposite numbers. When the ball goes up, Michigan's guys on the block take extended looks at their guys and put a body on him, barely thinking about where the carom might go. The smalls go get the ball uncontested afterwards.

Working well so far. Most teams are sending at least three guys back to prevent transition these days, so neutralizing the guys who aren't promises to be effective against all comers.

You can't check this. I'm not sure how you even get a hand in Irvin's face if he's elevating like this at 6'7":

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[Upchurch]

Irvin came off a curl screen for an early bucket at the elbow, causing a friend to say that reminded him of GRIII; I was thinking Rip Hamilton, except real big. And he's got range Rip didn't have until late in his career. He's kicked off the year 7/11 from 12. That's…

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[Upchurch]

He's added some straight-line drives, usually off closeouts, to his arsenal. So far so good when it comes to Irvin being "three AND" something else. I was a little worried he'd flatline like GRIII did; that does not seem to be the case.

Also improved: Walton. Walton seems totally up for being man 1B this year. The confidence he showed in flashes last year—late against MSU, the winning dive to the basket against Nebraska—is now displayed almost constantly. He gets where he wants to go; he knows when it's not there; he is creating his own shot instead of feeding off others, and he's still a sniper. We're not at the conclusion-drawing stage just yet but it feels like he's going to have a performance in Brooklyn that grabs nationwide attention.

Year two Beilein point guards man, I'm telling you.

And year three. Spike was unfortunate to have a number of shots rim out, but I'm encouraged that he's figured out a few ways to get it up against the trees—usually on reverses that use the rim as protection. He also displayed an improved ability to get into the lane and create shots, as he did on one Steve Nash-like assist to Bielfeldt on which he drew two defenders and threw it over his head to a wide open guy.

Six assists, no turnovers, his requisite very sneaky steal—that's just who he is. He is a guy who does donuts in the opposition's lane.

He is a tremendous, tremendous luxury. He had 29 minutes in this game. Did you even notice? I did not notice. That's how you know you have a great option off the bench—you do not pine for starter X to return when he's in the game.

Posts. I continue to believe that Doyle will emerge as the season goes along. His conditioning will improve, his grasp of Beilein's concepts will follow, and eventually he's going to be doing things other available posts will not be capable of—mostly hoovering up rebounds at a McGary-like rate. His late HULK SMASH offensive rebound is the kind of thing I'm thinking of.

I'm hoping Sanderson can give him a bit more vertical as he goes along here; guys with his frame are pretty rare freshmen.

Chatmanwatch. I only detected one play on which Chatman got lost for an easy opponent bucket, and that was in the lax second half. So that's improvement. There was also a section midway through where Chatman's length and pesky defense got a couple of turnovers and a couple additional deflections. If he can refine that that'll be a nice upgrade on defense.

The shooting remained rough, though: 1/5, with a couple of those bricks. Early yet, so Michigan should continue trying to get the guy on track. If things continue like this it might be time to go to more of a platoon there.

Hello Mr. Hass. A shout for Bucknell's Chris Hass, the guy who briefly went NBA Jam in the second half, finishing 5/8 from three on the night. Hass is from Petoskey and had a healthy cheering section. Look for him on MSU's roster next year after MSU strikes out on every high schooler they go after.

Other games in this Classic. Oregon was tied with Detroit at halftime, then ran away with a 48-point second half. Star guard Joseph Young was a spectacular 1/12 from three—don't expect that to repeat, as he's a career 40% shooter.

Villanova crushed a dire Maryland Eastern Shore.

Viewage tonight. Potential opponent VCU takes on Toledo at 6 on ESPNU; OSU plays Marquette at 7:30 on ESPN2; MSU plays Duke at 7 on ESPN.

Comments

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 18th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

Regarding Chatman, if his D turns out to be a real thing, like if his on ball D is legit against legit opponents, and he gets the rotations down, do you really platoon him of he's not scoring? Hasn't it been discussed here that the one thing UM is missing is a legit defender? Like even if he's just a role player because his scoring is erratic, if his D is legit, wouldn't you consider keeping him out there a lot? Reminds me of the Craft discussion last year; where most would take a player like him to start at UM even without the offense just to get some of that D.


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DCAlum

November 18th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^

I think we were actually scheming a bit differently on defense...rather than switching 1-4 on the perimeter like we did against Hillsdale, Chatman was hedging like a 5 and then getting back to his guy. We were switching (some) 1-3 and 4-5 rather than just 1-4.

 

Not sure if this was based on personnel or as a reaction to Chatman's previous issues, but as you mentioned, Chatman did much better this game.

Nitro

November 18th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

Irvin taking a defended jumper early in the shot clock appears to be a high-percentage shot -- he's just that good of a shooter.  But the problem is, it seems to be a little infectious with the rest of the team right now.  Not a big problem, we were rushing/forcing some things and looking a bit sloppy on offense at this time last season too.

Irvin's development from last year to this year though!  He looks so much quicker and more athletic.  One thing I noticed last season was that he went from a poor defender to a pretty good defender by the end of the year.  With his added athleticism, he could become lockdown.  Last year I thought he had potential to be a lot like Glen Rice, but now he's looking like Glen Rice 2.0.

michclub19

November 18th, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^

As for Chatman's offensive struggles, it still looks to me like he has a lot of learning Beilein's offense left to do.  I think that's what's contributing to his shooting problems more than anything else.  Especially when he was with the starters, it seemed the veterans were running the offense at one speed and Kam was just trying to get to the right place.  This is totally understandable given the compexity of the offense, I just bring it up because it may be a slow start, but once the light goes on in a few months he may explode offensively.

Also as a few has mentioned, his length and quickness helps on the defensive side to keep up with experienced D1 players.

Ivan Karamazov

November 18th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

The same can be said re:offensive struggles for DJ Wilson in the limited minutes he got. He, like Chatman, seemed focused on doing the right thing within the context of the offense, which tends to slow down your natural playmaking ability.

For example there were a couple times it looked like Bucknell was overplaying the dribble handoff when the bigs came to the top of the key. A more experienced player in Beilein's offense (Jmo or Mitch) would forgo the handoff to drive to space and either create a shot or force a rotation leaving an open shooter.

carlos spicywiener

November 18th, 2014 at 12:41 PM ^

Hopefully we get back one of Irvin or Walton next fall. One of the myriad freshman guards must step up and assume the #2 spot in the scoring hiearchy.

Another year of Donnal and Doyle minding the paint, and the frontcourt should be pretty good in 2015.

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^

is looking like it'll be incredibly weak. Mudiay (China) is a top-3 talent, Tyus Jones (Duke) is a borderline lottery pick and then there isn't really another lock to go in the 1st round. If Walton can put up something like 15 and 5 with good efficiency, he might get enough recognition to at least explore entering the draft.  Obviously that's all a long way off, but I think this year's weak PG class could be a factor if he does have a recognizable season.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 18th, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

Last year was the exception, but as far as I remember, it's always "this year is a weak draft" for whatever position.  It didn't work out well for Morris for a 'weak draft', and it worked out great for Burke to stay after a 'weak' PG draft after Burke's freshman year.  Frankly, Walton will have to battle his size in scout's eyes, and the only reason Burke went as high as he did with his size was because he had a legit POY campaign.  So if Walton has that kind of season, great, because UM is looking at another Final Four.  But I'll err on the side of caution that says Walton isn't the Nationl POY, and he will probably need another year at least to show he's the 'alpha dog' with higher usage for teams to seriously consider spending a high draft pick on him. 

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^

generally hear that from, but this year's PG class really is weak.  It's a big man heavy draft this year; very short on SGs and PGs.  Staying the extra year after a weak PG class (2012) worked for Burke because A) he showed more development and B) the year after (2013) was historically one of the worst draft classes of all-time.

reanimator

November 18th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

A lot of Chatman's offensive struggles are just a product of not knowing the system and trying to make home run plays. He needs to stop forcing drives, let Walton and LeVert create for him some and when he learns how to use ballscreens and run PnR? look out.

I don't see the Doyle hype as somehow above Donnal or Wilson. He is the worst defensive option at the 5. He has mass and is a big target out of PnR. 

Shop Smart Sho…

November 18th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

I take it that Doyle over Donnal is going to be the basketball equivalent of Jake Ryan is not a MLB this year?

I'm not sure what it is you're hearing out of practices to give you this idea, because Doyle looks like he can't go for more than 3 or 4 minutes at a time without needing a breather.  Combine that with an inability to keep a 6'9" 227lb FR from Bucknell knocking him off the low post, and I honestly don't get the obsession.  

He looks like a guy in dire need of a redshirt and 6 straight months in the gym.

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

advocate Doyle 100% over Donnal, but I think Doyle deserves his share of minutes. He has more bulk than Wilson and more athleticism than Donnal.  Each freshman big has their strengths and weaknesses, and I don't think one is more established than either of the others.  Saying that Doyle needs a RS is a huge stretch.

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^

is different than speed.  Are we watching the same guy?  He was getting up and down the floor really well last night and finished well above the rim on his open dunk.  Haven't seen anything similar from Donnal to this point, and it's not like he's the next coming of Brent Petway.

reanimator

November 18th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

Then we have to disagree. 

 

Donnal runs the floor well and is significantly more mobile than Doyle. I wouldn't say Doyle " finished well above the rim", either.

Doyle has mass (though he has no strength in his lower body), he sets good screen and is solid in PnR. He moves slow, struggles posting up and is bad at D (PnR, Positional and Help Side/ Rim Protection)

Shop Smart Sho…

November 18th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^

I just don't understand why it would be helpful for 4 guys to rotate through one position, especially when 2 of them are true freshmen who obviously aren't 1 and done athletic marvels.

Obviously Donnal is going to play because he's used his red shirt.

Bielfeldt is going to play.

That leaves Willson and Doyle.  Wilson seems to be more of a stretch-4 long term, especially with Doyle and Donnal on the roster.  Wilson needs to add weight and power, while Doyle needs to lose bad weight, add good weight, and add power.  If you have to choose from those two guys to slap a red shirt on, it seems Doyle makes more sense, just because of how much work his body needs.

This team isn't going to be a legit final 4 contender this year, and no one expected it.  So why not let one of the young guys get a year of off court work in?  It also spaces Donnal and Doyle out a bit more, and I think we've all learned that unless a guy is a draft flight risk, that 4th and 5th year is awesome for the program.

UMQuadz05

November 18th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

"When the ball goes up, Michigan's guys on the block take extended looks at their guys and put a body on him, barely thinking about where the carom might go. The smalls go get the ball uncontested afterwards."

NBA fans know this as the devastatingly effective Jason Kidd/Jason Collins move.  If it's good enough to get a 6 ft 4 guy with no nops triple doubles, it's good enough for me. 

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

rebounding is supposed to be taught. Any good basketball coach runs a drill where the goal is for the defensive team to ensure that the ball hits the floor off the rim because everybody cleared their man off with a good box out.

UMaD

November 18th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^

underappreciated GR3 and Zack Novak have been doing this for years.  GR3 was criticized for his rebounding numbers.  Novak was not because...well, he's Zack Novak - look at him... but I always thought it was a poor criticism.  Beilein's 4s NEVER have good rebounding numbers because their job is to just keep the opposing PF (who is inevitably larger) out of the pictue. 

It's been the 5's job generally to be the guy that gets the boards.  That's the piece that might be different this year, with our guys being less experienced and generally less skilled/talented/strong, maybe their chore list has been culled relative to Morgan/Horford/McGary.

But I don't think so.  Trey, Manny, THJ -- we've always had above-the-norm rebounding from some perimeter player.  This is just Beilein system.

So...GR3 - he was very good.  Thanks.

Drbogue

November 18th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

My god were the BTN announcers horrible. Seth was the worst with his "Maximus" garbage. I was hoping for Dakich, but alas, two idiots worse than Dicky V.

My Name is LEGIONS

November 18th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

a few ignorant questions....

1.... why will msu miss out on their high schoolers?  

2.... if chatman is not a scorer, why then was he so highly regarded?

3....why does it feel like spike has been very underrated?

MGoChippewa

November 18th, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^

1 - That's just been the pattern over the last few years.  It's been two years since Izzo locked down a 5* recruit.  That being said, their 2015 class isn't too shabby, at least in terms of what the recruiting sites say.  

2 - I think Chatman is a scorer and will be a scorer, it's just going to take some patience.  I've seen flashes of his skill level in the first two games.  He knows how to get a good look off the bounce, he just needs to convert.

3 - Spike has been underrated, don't know why.  Racism? /s

BlastDouble

November 18th, 2014 at 8:26 PM ^

"Look for him on MSU's roster next year after MSU strikes out on every high schooler they go after."

Kinda like Duncan? We haven't exactly been pulling in our first options in recruiting, or second for that matter, or so it seems recently.