Perkis-Size Me

November 1st, 2015 at 12:20 AM ^

I got to tell you man, I watched the replay a few times, and it did not look like targeting to me. None of the defenders led with their helmet. Was just unfortunate that Rudock's head got in the way. I didn't see anything malicious in the play.

But that's me.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

J.

November 1st, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^

Regarding the play that resulted in Jake's inury:  I have no idea if it was targeting, because I can't figure out what targeting is.  But it certainly seemed like a late hit to the quarterback, so I expected Michigan to get the 15 yards and automatic first down.  I suppose it depends on whether or not he had started his slide, and that slide looked awkward at best.  Usually officials tend to give the runner the benefit of the doubt, though.  It also seemed like a hit to the head of a quarterback, which is normally called a personal foul anyway.  Strange no-call.

bcnihao

November 1st, 2015 at 12:35 AM ^

People here are mentioning a requirement of contact with the crown of the helmet.  That's rule 9-1-3:  "No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul."

But targeting can also occur under rule 9-1-4, which says, "No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul."  Notice that this rule does NOT require that the offender make contact with the crown of his helmet to commit targeting.

Yeoman

November 1st, 2015 at 8:25 AM ^

Once a sliding player is on the ground, he's defenseless. Rudock wasn't on the ground.

I think the takeaway from this should be the same as from the Gunnar Kiel incident a few weeks ago. If you're going to slide in college you'd better do so early enough that you're on the ground before they can hit you. Otherwise you'd better run through the hit like a ball carrier, because according to the college rules that's what you are. Quarterbacks get no special protection unless they're throwing the ball (except when they're on defense after a turnover).

UMForLife

November 1st, 2015 at 9:25 AM ^

So, when someone is sliding down, he is not defenseless? I truly don't know if that is not considered defenseless. It would surprise me if it is not. Too bad the defensive player could not stop his momentum, but that is not what the rule is says. They should amend the rule then.

allintime23

November 1st, 2015 at 7:16 AM ^

We cry about shitty calls and this my friend was a real shitty call. Why was the game stopped and looked at after the clock ran out??? Why didn't that happen two weeks ago? When peppers was called offsides for lining up in the neutral zone he was in the exact same spot someone else lined up in two weeks ago. I'm not crying, I'm mad and I I have a right to be.

UofM626

November 1st, 2015 at 1:10 AM ^

W the the other poster. How that's not called targeting when the other game we were called for crap. I know it's football but call a Spade a Spade!

Not impressed w the secondary as I wasnt impressed early in the year either. They look lost at times again!!

TheCool

November 1st, 2015 at 1:06 AM ^

They don't look lost. They only have trouble with terrible (Leidner) or planned (Cook) back shoulder/under throws. Those are tough covers for any defensive player, even the greatest in part because they take advantage of being in perfect coverage.

jsquigg

November 1st, 2015 at 1:11 AM ^

The NCAA needs full time officials.  There also needs to be more transparency in who officiates, especially after the MSU clown show.  And astoundingly, the review officials are worse than anyone.  Sometimes I think my eyes deceive me because the obvious isn't obvious anymore.....

mvp

November 1st, 2015 at 1:33 AM ^

So for all the "corruption" theorists out there, I submit Hanlon's Razor -- Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.  I don't think they're out to get us.

Here's my question, though: If a targeting personal foul is a reviewable play which can be overturned by the booth, why aren't *possible* targets plays that the booth can call down for a stoppage of play (like all other reviewable plays)?

Not sure anything would be different for us since the incompetence is only magnified when you get to the replay officials, but still, In the absence of a call, there's no possibility for a booth review to happen.

Shouldn't the refs then always err on the side of throwing the flag and allowing the play to be reviewed?  The official was RIGHT THERE.

This highlights two of the big differences between the pros and college.  In the pros, the refs performance is reviewed every week.  In addition, if something like a bogus targeting penalty is called, the league can overturn any suspension.

 

late night BTB

November 1st, 2015 at 7:32 AM ^

I cant be the only one who puckers whenever the officials rule on anything.
I personally thought the 4th down MN reception merited a review longer than 10 seconds while the goal line stand review shouldve been about 10 seconds instead of 3 minutes.
That review killed the passion and spontaneity of the moment, just so some old dudes could confirm what everyone knew.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

late night BTB

November 1st, 2015 at 7:45 AM ^

This is going to sound bad in our current PC, everyone is equal but also unique at the same time, climate, but ill say it.
We need better officials. Younger ones that have better eyesight, stamina, and familiarity with the new game. Football has changed a lot in the last 20 years. 50+ year old guys cant keep up with how its played now. Its not 3 yards a cloud of dust and throw on 3rd down when you must.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

MGoLaw16

November 1st, 2015 at 9:22 AM ^

Older refs seem like they would be better, based on their years of experience. And there's no reason to think their eyes are worse, they can wear corrective lenses. I'm in my mid-twenties and I'm nearly blind without them. Stamina doesn't seem to be the problem, since they're not so much out of place, just missing the calls. Do you really think middle aged men can't learn the new rules just as well as young guys, especially when it is their job?

I'm all for complaining about the refs this year, they have been horrible, and we have been on the receiving end of that more than a few times. But let's not make age the issue unnecessarily. We can just call it what it is, incompetence.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

late night BTB

November 1st, 2015 at 8:16 AM ^

After seeing the duke miami finish, our games, the okstate targeting, im convinced officiating has never been worse.
Refs are standing 5 feet away with an unobstructed view and still miss the call.
They are also old, overweight, and probably have poor eyesight.
A complete overhaul is needed.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

mGrowOld

November 1st, 2015 at 8:30 AM ^

If you truly want officiating to improve the answer is pretty simple. Make them accountable for their performance. There should be a review of each game and a public disclosure of the score of the officials and their names. Those scores would accumulate week by week until it was VERY clear who was and was not competent and or biased.

Mark Cuban did something similar to that a few years ago in the NBA and the league went ape-shit crazy cuz he showed just how bad and how biased some officials were to the home or visiting team.

Without accountability you will never see significant improvement IMO. Too easy to be shitty at your job and get away with it.

McSomething

November 1st, 2015 at 9:45 AM ^

I have been wanting this for years. If players and coaches have to go in front of the media immediately following a game, why not the officials? Protecting the sanctity of the game my ass, hold these fuckers responsible for a change. And maybe, just maybe, officiating wouldn't be such a constant clusterfuck of a joke.

Steve333

November 1st, 2015 at 8:32 AM ^

The I remember correctly, not only was it not targeting, but no flag was thrown. The refs threw a flag on a sack of Leidner in an awful hurry, but fortunately picked it up. Crazy.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

ford_428cj

November 1st, 2015 at 8:33 AM ^

The one where Ruddock got hurt didn't look like targeting imo. The hit to the chin he took earlier could have been called for sure. 

JTGoBlue

November 1st, 2015 at 8:41 AM ^

It looked helmet to helmet to me, and his helmet came off from it. The fact that a flag wasn't thrown on a play where the QB slides and is hit and his helmet comes off in inexcusable. Maybe reversed after review, but no flag at all? After what we saw last week?



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

DOBlue48

November 1st, 2015 at 9:54 AM ^

Nailed it JTGB!  How a flag was not thrown is beyond my ability to comprehend what these guys are watching.  I remain unsure if there should have been a penalty given the late slide, but if that play did not appear to be leading with the helmet, helmet-to helmet contact, hitting a player giving himself up or targeting to anyone in black & white stripes then I have to question either their competency, or their integrity.

93Grad

November 1st, 2015 at 9:07 AM ^

Officiating is terrible in college football under normal situations and then you give them a stupid rule that is almost impossible call consistently and this is what you get.



Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad

Maize n' Blue Grad

November 1st, 2015 at 9:12 AM ^

I think it was a good no call. Jake's slide was really late, like REALLY late. He could have and should have slid a couple steps sooner. By the time he tried to slide he was already being contacted by the first defender and the second defender had no way to change his angle of attack. Let's just be happy that Wilton was able to come in and provide a little stability at that back-up spot.

Romeowolv

November 1st, 2015 at 9:56 AM ^

I very much disagree about the Rudock slide play.  I dont think that should have been targeting at all.

 

The earlier play on the sideline where they did play minnesota for late hit but not targeting was an obvious targeting.

DOBlue48

November 1st, 2015 at 10:36 AM ^

I can't get my head around the 15 yard fair catch interference call WHEN, AND ONLY WHEN, there is no contact made.  When there is contact, 15 yards is absolutely warranted as punt returners are probably the most defenseless players out there.  But the penalty does not match the infraction without contact.

This rule had a significant impact on the game last night when Thomas was standing too close to the reciever. The refs held a con-fab and dropped a flag out of their pocket like a stray coin.  15 yards later Minny was in business.

This, to me, is similar to marching off 15 yards for off sides, or delay of game. 

MICHandCHIPS

November 1st, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^

This reminds me of a little sister pointing a finger an inch from my face going "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you!"

You gotta give the guy some room to catch the ball, man. I agree with the call. It was unfortunate because the first guy called for a fair catch, so Thomas was avoiding him, then the second guy did and he couldn't stop from being in his bubble.

DOBlue48

November 2nd, 2015 at 9:33 AM ^

By the rules the call made on Thomas was correct.  I just have a serious problem with the penalty that is assessed.  5 yards, fine.  15 yards for said offense is absurd.  I did make it perfectly clear that punt returners need to be protected from being hit.  A contact foul in that case is 15, no problem.

To use your cute little analogy:  I am pretty sure your little sister would get a lesser punishment for just bugging the shit out of you versus trucking your ass into next week.  That is all.

Procumbo

November 1st, 2015 at 10:44 AM ^

I thought the play that took Rudock out was ambiguous. It wasn't a clear-cut case of targeting, but I've seen targeting called for much less this year. Had they called it, the announcers would say, "Well, tough call, but they're always gonna protect the quarterback there..."

The bottom line is there doesn't seem to be any clear standard on how it's called and the stakes are very high - it can lead to a player being ejected.

treetown

November 1st, 2015 at 11:09 AM ^

The game changes.

Once when the ball went out of bound that was where it was put back into play - there were no hash marks.

Once there was no forward pass. There was no mandatory 7 offensive players on the line of scrimmage.

Referring needs to evolve. There is always a backup referee. He should be upstairs and have ALL of the available feeds. I'm not arguing about this or any other specific play but the basic notion that a bunch of middle aged guys/gals (however nice, dedicated and knowledgeable) on the field can possible see everything that is going on is far fetched. S/He needs to be able to step in and clarify calls.

Football is facing the biggest crisis since the time when Teddy Roosevelt had to step in. Head injuries and concussions will sap the popularity at lower levels - look at how many unfortunate deaths there were this year in high school ball.

I know that it runs the risk of more fouls and slowing the flow of the game but if the aim is injury prevention (helmet to helmet) this is what it will take.

 

 

BlueSpiceIn SEC.hell

November 1st, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^

Is the fact that this is the second year in a row where Minnesota has targeted and hit our players in obvious targeting and only 1, ONE, flag was thrown in the three occurences that were obvious and worse, targeting was NEVER called.

Procumbo

November 2nd, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

It seems to me that the first tackler could also be called for a penalty here. He launches himself and leads with the helmet. I thought you weren't allowed to do that?

M-Dog2020

November 3rd, 2015 at 9:49 PM ^

To me, this is a call that given the calm of reviewing the video reply becomes obvious (most times). A split second call to determine the ejection fate of a player is not fair to the game refs. Kick the call upstairs (even based upon a challenge) and train the review teams to get it right. That is my solution. But just to let this go to the point of risking player health and a potential really shitty no call is egregious.