sdogg1m

April 23rd, 2015 at 3:47 PM ^

Doesn't matter who the governor is or what party, no university leader should automatically assume that the state's coffers will be open to them. As much as we throw around the term "state school," our states have little involvement in universities except to grant them money in order to supplement tuition costs.

The problem that universities have is many of their programs and degrees do not pay well enough for the student to pay off their debt in a small period of time. Potential students are now wising up to this fact. I don't want anyone to have a 100k student loan on top of living expenses all the while fighting to earn a job that pays 40-50k. I would advise any student, if your loan can't be paid back in five years then don't borrow the money. Once you are in your late 20s and early 30s you start to take on other debt.

Most of us would agree that tuition costs have been grossly inflated for quite some time. Eventually the bubble will burst which is how I perceive the issue. I think this is only the start of that bubble bursting.

MGoBender

April 23rd, 2015 at 7:43 PM ^

Uh oh, I took on 75k in student loans, make less than 50k, am 4 years out from college and just got a mortgage.  And I still have 50k in student loans.

I guess I'm fucked for life.

Students loans, like any other debt, can be a great investment if you aren't stupid and you work hard.  I may be paying my student loans off for a total of 10-15 years, but I'm the first in my family to get a bachelor's degree (and master's), my job doesn't pay a ton but I love it, I live in one of my favorite towns in the world, and I just bought a condo.  Life ain't bad despite taking out 75k in loans to have a job that will never come close to 100k per year.

Financial advice to college students: Just don't feel the need to keep up with the joneses and you'll be fine.

Yostbound and Down

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:11 AM ^

Interesting that they may try to coordinate this for all the public universities in the state. I wouldn't have thought LSU particularly cared about UL-Lafayette or UL-Monroe's stability.

The Mad Hatter

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^

That move seems designed to put pressure on the legislature to come up with a funding solution.  A state's entire university system essentially declaring bankruptcy would cause massive political fallout.  Statewide and nationally.

Nice university system ya got there.  Be a real shame if something happened to it.

Evil Empire

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:24 AM ^

LSU's president's name is F. King Alexander?  Do U C what I see when looking at that name?

Apparently his first name is Fieldon.

His mom was from Paint Lick, Kentucky. 

I could go on.

sundaybluedysunday

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:26 AM ^

Man, Bobby Jindal has completely run that state into the ground.

Please note that this is a comment on performance, much like I would say that a football player had a bad game, not a comment on his affiliations.

OccaM

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

You really have to ask that question? 

Isn't it obvious? No Indian expects white people to ever pronounce their name properly. So no fucking shit they're gonna use nicknames if they plan on having political careers in this country. 

Then you got the conversions to Christianity to make it seem like we're more "American" to appease the public. smh. 

OccaM

April 23rd, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^

I was referring more to Bobby Jindal. I know plenty of Indians who give their kids American names or change/shorten their names to assimilate when they get to America in the case of Haley. (not saying that is the reason, but wouldn't be surprised, Nikki & Bobby are used as Indian nicknames every once in awhile too) 

Personally, I find it dumb and think one should be proud of their name and heritage, but I can see why people choose random American nicknames after going through K-College here myself. 

People are stupid and I won't give white America the benefit of the doubt. Just look at HarbaughtoMichigan's comment regarding a middle name. You got ignoramuses everywhere.

Better to just have an American name than having political rivals/xenophobes call you a Muslim terrorist all day even when you may be from a completely different religion/country.

But I digress.. 

The Mad Hatter

April 23rd, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^

same side here.  My first name is American, but no one can pronounce my last name, and that's after it was Americanized.

I guess my point was if they were in a different part of the country, or dare I say, looking for the votes from a different political party, they woudn't have to use the nicknames.

In SE Michigan, we know that everyone named Sam is really Samir.  Same thing with Moe.

Powderd Toast

April 23rd, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^

LSU's bankruptcy will cause them to cut their football program. All "student" athletes will be immediately sucked up by the caring football coaches of the other SEC schools. A jobless Les Miles will then be hired by michigan as head of the stadium grounds crew.

/s

The Mad Hatter

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

Interesting.  I'm eligible for Polish citizenship as a 1st generation American.  A lot of countries are like that.  If one parent was born there, their kids can get citizenship as adults if they want it.  And with the EU being in effect, citizenship to one is as good as any other.

/Germany isn't really an option for folks with a family tree (or lack thereof) like mine.

htownwolverine

April 23rd, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^

Yes they just passed a law last year for free college education for citizens and non citizens who can pass th German languages fluency test. My cabbie in Frankfurt was telling me about it as now his kids can go to college for free.

mgoblue0970

April 23rd, 2015 at 4:08 PM ^

I did part of my MBA in France and noticed many of the free colleges in the EU aren't generally looked upon favorably.  Kinda like our U of Phoenixes stateside.  Those who are serious about college generally go to tuition based colleges.  Those who aren't serious about growing up squeeze four more years out of  free education to fuck around.  

Socialism isn't all it's cracked up to be. 

One of my last days in France the school I was at had ambulances all over campus.  I asked one of the staff what was going on.  It was interview day.  Kids had password their written admission exams and had to give an oral examination to a board.  I guess it's so stressful they have paramedics on standby.  10,000 kids apply -- 600 get accepted.

 

 

HarbaughToMichigan

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^

In some ways, GOOD.  Universities have come to think of themselves as some sort of nanny-state day cares for "maturing" students.  Give us classrooms and teachers and let the rest work it out.  Let the priate sector take care of the over-priced gyms, over-priced cafeterias, over-priced dorms, healthcare, over-priced "counseling", etc.  WHAT CAUSES TUITION TO BE $20,000!?

UMxWolverines

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^

Chicken and egg thing. States cut funding so universities have to raise tuition to cover expenses. But to attract students the universities spend money on all that useless crap again increasing tuition. And with student loans available easily they can charge that much and idiots will still pay it. People don't know what they're getting into but the government still makes a profit even though a large number of people default on them.

OccaM

April 23rd, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^

My generation is going to have a fun time when the student loan bubble pops. Yay! 

We can blame the devaluing of trade schools in this country for that. Instead of becoming useful blue collar business owners, we got a surplus of liberal arts majors with no jobs and massive debt coming out of college these days. 

But hey at least they followed their dreams right? 

UMxWolverines

April 23rd, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^

If I had known more at the time I might have opted to go the trade school route. The way high schools and adults push college on kids like it'S the only way you're going to get a job is the absolute wrong thing to do. Most of them are basing it on the way they did it when its not even close to the same world anymore. My boss said his tuition at U of M was something like $1,500 per semester and that was the mid 70s. I am going to end up with only about $20,000 in student loans which is not bad. Still working full time all summer and part time during school year only pays for about one semester for me. It shouldn't be that way.

BlueMan80

April 23rd, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^

I read the other day that nationally unemployment of people with college degrees is down to 2.8% or something like that.  Below 3%.  That's good.  I agree that getting the right degree and taking the right path for you is important too, but there is real value in the degree when it comes to employment.  People need to assess the cost vs. pay for the job field they'd like to be in.

mgoblue0970

April 23rd, 2015 at 3:59 PM ^

But that's the problem. 

I know tons of smart and get things done people who don't have a 4 year degree and tons of people with 4 year degrees who are loads that should have been swallowed. 

What you and @mackbru write about regarding a degree helps you with getting a job is correct.  What some us are saying the carte blanche notion that 4 year degree = hire-able is completely wrong!

mackbru

April 23rd, 2015 at 2:58 PM ^

True. There are plenty of trades that don't require degrees. But there's wide consensus that college degrees are very important when it comes to finding quality white collar jobs. Without a degree, the odds of advancement are much slimmer. And many professions are totally off limits.



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OccaM

April 23rd, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

Then you have to differentiate the useful 4-year college degrees from the not so useful ones. 

Engineering, hard science, finance, pre-law (maybe if you're T14 quality) will be useful... vs. say... Philosophy (there are only so many well paying philosophy departments in America) 

panthera leo fututio

April 23rd, 2015 at 7:16 PM ^

This point tends to get carried too far. No reasonable idea of usefulness would reduce to immediate and specific vocational preparation. Case in point: the training that a good student receives in a good philosophy department (cultivating, namely, the ability to think precisely and to manage complex ideas) can be of enormous value, both in a variety of employment contexts and in the general practice of citizenship.