MileHighWolverine

November 28th, 2014 at 9:20 PM ^

The MAC is a harder to place to win? Harder than what? Certainly not BiG 10, PAC 12 or even BIg East .... Otherwise we would all be talking about MAC schools as MNC schools and their coaches would be paid a lot more than any other conference which they are not. You love to play semantic games while adding nothing to the discussion.....the question is who is the bigger idiot? You for posting idiotic drivel or me for falling for it over and over again? I'm afraid it's me.....I'm going to bed.....but unfortunately I'm not drunk.

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kscurrie2

November 28th, 2014 at 7:20 PM ^

You mean his MAC stops? Go look up his record year to year.. Take away his 11 win richrod team. If you can call that a winner, fans like u are the reason why we are in this situation. Ask yourself honestly.. If a coach with no Michigan ties had the same record as hoke, would u hire him to coach Michigan and give him unlimited resources?

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SalvatoreQuattro

November 28th, 2014 at 7:30 PM ^

I only ask because the statement of  "fans like u are the reason why we are in this situation" is a uniquely moronic statement to make. Clearly you either are an imbecile or an inanimate object.

Fans have nothing to do with why UM is in the place it is. 

I support all UM's coaches until they show  me that they cannot do the job.

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rbgoblue

November 28th, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^

Loyalty to your program does not mean blindly believing them to be without fault.  They rail roaded the a coach who has now been successful at two other programs, competing with significantly fewer resources (and at Arizona, in a much more competitive conference).  They made it destined to fail at Michigan because he was an outsider and didn't "fit in" with the old guard.  We had one of the top 5-10 coaches in college football today and we couldn't get out of our own way.  Guess what, Bo didn't come here as a "Michigan Man" either.

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kscurrie2

November 28th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^

Answer the original question asked.. Would you hire him with that record if he had no Michigan ties? Plus I did.. I have a bs and a doctorate from Michigan, so watch who you are calling an imbecile. Not saying I'm better than you at all, so don't go there. Just saying, not an imbicile. How about a person with a different opinion.

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newtopos

November 28th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

Actually, each of the first four yeas, his BSU team's record was worse than each of the three years immediately preceding his tenure.  Hoke had one very good season at BSU and one at SDSU (in eight years as a head coach).  He also had a sub-.500 career record, and no track record of success as a coordinator. 

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rbgoblue

November 28th, 2014 at 7:11 PM ^

Would have been interestingness to see Rich Rods success with the level of institutional support Hoke was granted after he walked to Michigan. This place has force fed itself a myth that the head coach is required to have a prior connection to the program. What other school could be so short sighted. Alabama found themselves in this rut trying to replace Bear Bryant until they hired an outsider and got behind Saban. We know how that worked out.


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Mich OC

November 28th, 2014 at 7:27 PM ^

The AD issued a public letter of support for Brady Hoke in his third season, declaring how he would be the coach at michigan for a long time and comparing him to Saban. RichRod had 0 AD support in his final season, and the silence from the AD was deafening

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McSomething

November 28th, 2014 at 7:52 PM ^

Compare the 2008 roster to the one in 2011. Tell me which one was set to struggle big, and which was set to win big. RichRod was given a team with nothing on it and asked to win with a system none of the the players were ready to play in. Hoke inherited a team ready to start winning and has done less each successive year.

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Woodson2

November 29th, 2014 at 7:13 AM ^

Hoke only went 11-2 on the back of Rich Rod's players and a soft schedule. RR would have lit the Big Ten up in his 4th year I guarantee that. As players mature, they get better and better as we saw his players do. Even under an incompetent coaching staff.

Could you imagine how good Denard and Roundtree and Toussaint would have been in years 3 and 4 under a great head coach? Unbelievable how bad U of M screwed up.

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rbgoblue

November 28th, 2014 at 7:31 PM ^

No doubt. But the level of support Hoke was given through the Athletic Department before he had even coaches a game was far different from the support granted to the "outsider" Rich Rod who was undercut by the loyalists of the previous coaching regime before he even took a team through the tunnel of the big house.


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SalvatoreQuattro

November 28th, 2014 at 7:54 PM ^

He was mistreated here. I don't dispute that. I also don't dispute that he is a far superior coach to Hoke.

But what I dispute here is the notion that he was good fit here. He wasn't for a variety of reasons--some of which where of his own doing. He failed here as did Hoke. 

Arguing over two failures is an indictment of where UM is at as a program. We can thank quite a few people for that.

 

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Woodson2

November 29th, 2014 at 7:33 AM ^

There is no such thing as a proper fit when it comes to an elite coach. Either you let an elite coach build a program in their image or you don't hire the guy. RR would have been a great fit if given another year because he would have won and continued to win after that. Fit is some silly idea that gives an excuse to the administration for terminating a great football coach too soon. It also excuses the behavior of fans who just simply didn't recognize coaching greatness when it was right in their face. They will say he didn't fit but they would be wrong. Great coaches coach well and get good players to buy into their systems wherever they coach. RR was well on his way to winning big and some short sighted Michgan people didn't see it. That's ok, they were wrong but admit it. The media admits the error of their ways and will slowly recognize RR as the great coach that he is. Will Michigan fans admit their errors? Probably not, it's not easy to admit when you are dead wrong.

I want a winning coach, not some percieved ideal of what a Michigan coach should be. I just want the best coach possible and RR is one of the top 5 best coaches in the world. Michigan wanted to become modernized and more of a spread team when he was hired. He did not fail, he didn't have time to install his program. I don't at all see his time here as a failure. In fact I credit his wizardry with a Sugar Bowl title. The players he brought in were special kids to win despite inept coaching.

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