Mike and Mike discuss coaching change this morning - according to them, there will be one
On Mike and Mike this morning, the two of them, along with Cris Carter, briefly discussed the stake incident, and the follow-up apology. They then went on to say Hoke clearly will not be around next season, and discussed the pros and cons of firing him mid-season instead of after the Ohio State game. Cris Carter described it as "waiting until after the beat down by Ohio State" to do it, or something to that effect. I actually didn't even attribute that to homerism, but as a statistically probable fact. In any event, it's very hard at this point, with this much negative press about non-football stuff coupled with our onfield performance, to think that Hoke will still have the big office in Schembechler Hall next season.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
i'm envious of your optimism. It blows my mind how you think we'll win out, but hey, that's why you'll probably live a long and happy life.
We might win one more game. We are terrible.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^
it's possible they win out. it is certainly not likely. I think people are publicly supporting Hoke as they feel it is in the current best interest of the program. I don't see how they could support him behind closed doors. Maybe a month ago he still had some support but I think that is all gone now.I mean ask yourselfs, if Hoke comes back next year do you really see a great turnaround? Can you really see this program being dominant under Hoke? I think the writing is on the wall.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:09 PM ^
but I think you should perpare yourself for the fact that UM will lose and lose big in Columbus. If for any other reason except its nicer to be pleasantly surprised.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^
There is a greater probability, I suspect, of losing out than winning out, the way things have deteriorated. I certainly hope not, but we have witnessed some dreadfull football this year. Bright spot, however: we are 1-1 all-time against App State now.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^
In fact, by the numbers below, our chances of losing out are greater than our chances of becoming bowl eligible.
Win Probability Outlook for Remaining Games
| Proj Spread | Opponent | Win Likelihood | Sagarin Rank | Sagarin Rating |
| -- | Mich | -- | 71 | 68.25 |
| ----------- | -------- | -------------- | ------------ | -------------- |
| 4.1 | IU | 60.9% | 74 | 67.39 |
| -6.9 | @NW | 32.3% | 56 | 71.84 |
| -3.4 | MD | 41.1% | 41 | 74.91 |
| -21.2 | @OSU | 7.9% | 16 | 86.15 |
Probability Distribution of Final Regular Season Record
| Reg Season Record | Likelihood |
| ----------------- | ---------- |
| 3-9 | 14.4% |
| 4-8 | 40.5% |
| 5-7 | 34.4% |
| 6-6 | 10.1% |
| 7-5 | 0.6% |
Sources:
• Proj Spreads via Sagarin http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
• Normal Distribution functions using
Sigma(ActualMargin-ProjSpread)
calibrated to minimize sum of squares vs
Link -- Chance of Winning vs Spread
• Resulting Sigma(ActualMargin-ProjSpread) = 15
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
Well do you consider Rutgers, Utah or Minnesota to be teams that "look that great"?
October 27th, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^
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October 27th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
In other news, the weather dude on TV says that the temperature will probably drop in December.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
I still dont think we can write off completely the possibility that Hoke comes back next year. Until Brandon is taken out (and that's not a 100% sure thing by any means) then Hoke is pretty safe for all the reasons Brian points out on the front page.
The team likes Hoke, as blindingly incompetent as he is, and is still playing hard for him. So I could see us winning next week, maybe winning at Northwestern and then again against Maryland. Get beat by OSU and we're 6-6 heading into the crappy bowl and a win there puts us at 7-6 or exactly where we were last year.
Hoke still does have supporters with influence within the AD so until he's fired I cant rule out he's gonna be back next year - as horrible of an idea as that may appear.
God help us.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
I appreciate the gloomy viewpoint (as I myself am more times than not, a glass half-empty kind of fellow) - the scenario you laid is just not going to happen.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:17 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 2:54 PM ^
You said this before MSU, and I thought it was reasonable. Making this argument now is assinine. Let the facts determime your argument, not your argument lead you to some rediculous prediction of what future facts be.
October 27th, 2014 at 6:38 PM ^
I have not considered walking away from my tickets, but Hoke coming back would at least get me to consider it. Primarily because it would squash all hope that the Athletic Department knows what they are doing. They have to be able to recognize a bad coach when he is right under their noses.
I initially neg'd you but my concern is that there may be some truth to Hoke having support in the Athletic Department. I keep hearing he still has some supporters.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
Granted
October 27th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
When it finally happened, it was right to fire him. If the entire community had given him the support he deserved from the outset (instead of having big factions working to undermine him from the outset), and if the department had given him the money needed for assistants, the time when it was right to fire him probably never would have come. The difference between him and Hoke is that RR is a good coach, as shown by what he is doing at Arizona (e.g., up 31-0 by early in the 2nd quarter last Saturday, at 6-1 and 3 missed field goals away from 7-0).
October 27th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
EVERYTHING!
October 27th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^
Wasn't the Ohio State game last year supposed to be a severe beatdown? And also the year before? I do not expect a win against Ohio State, but I do know that Brady Hoke has Meyer's number. With a more talented / better executing team, we would be on a three game winning streak vs the Buckeyes. I see no reason to believe there is a beatdown coming in Columbus. I expect another tight, down to the wire game, and yes I say that even after the beatdown last Saturday.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:23 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^
Princess Bride thing, but too depressed to bother.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^
When I read that comment... Hoke has Meyer's number about as much as Carr had Tressels number, which is to say, not at all.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^
To summarize my clarification in another reply, I mean by the Hoke has Meyer's number that the team played by far their best game of the year against Ohio State. They got squashed by MSU and looked bad against some decent teams, but came a 2 point conversion from beating an undefeated top 5 team which was just about in the national title picture. Hoke gameplanned very very well for the game ... with the exception of the play call on the 2 point conversion. Why not utilize your mobile QB?
October 27th, 2014 at 6:20 PM ^
There is no justification for that statement!
October 27th, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^
What I mean by that is last year the team couldn't muster anything against a decent Nebraska team, lucked out against an awful Northwestern team, looked terrible against a bad Iowa team, yet against an undefeated, possible national championship caliber team, we went toe to toe and were one 2 point conversion away from winning. I still highy question the actual play that was called for the conversion ... why not use Gardner's legs on the play and give him some more options?
October 27th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^
Gardner played most of the 2nd half on a broken foot. By the end of the game he was about as mobile as Brady Hoke.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^
The coaches fucked away the 2012 game, straight up.
They're kind of responsible for last year as well, like the defense giving up ALL the points and the shitty 2-point conversion play call.
In other words, they come up with a decent game plan, then find a way to fuck up.
October 27th, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^
Last year, we had the Dr. Jekyl, Mr Hyde offense that had gone off versus ND and IU. This year, we're just Mr Hyde.
In 2012, we had lost to Alabama in the fashion of everyone else, lost to unbeaten ND by only 7 on six turnovers, and to Nebraska due to Denard going down as we were about to take the lead and having to go w/ Bellomy. I was expecting to win that game.
October 27th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^
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October 27th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^
Things are only going to get worse, because some are hinting at a big decommitment coming soon.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^
October 27th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^
It's Garrett Taylor.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^
I was thinking about posting this question as its own thread, but is it insane to think they could bring Brady back as a DL coach for recruiting purposes and such if new coach were okay with it?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^
but the guy is in his 50's. he's been a head coach at other schools. I doubt serioualy that he has any desire to go back to being a DL coach. despite how he is viewed around here he could easily get a job at another D1 program. i think it's more likely that he "retires" than takes a demotion.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^
but it will never happen.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:39 PM ^
We get some return on our $4M; he won't undermine the new head coach; he's back to where he's effective; and we get the benefit of his recruiting prowess. I'm all for it.
October 27th, 2014 at 7:58 PM ^
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October 27th, 2014 at 1:48 PM ^
Absolutey not. Just imagine how awkward that would be for fans, players and coaches involved... Brady got his dream job, turned out to be really bad at his job, and now needs to go for good.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^
Sheesh, I don't know who gives me more crap: you guys or my teenage daughter. The upside of you guys is I don't I have to actually see you rolling your eyes at me. (insert vaguely crazy looking smiley face emoticon here - which I'd do except apparently I'm too old to know how to do it on the keyboard).
October 27th, 2014 at 1:59 PM ^
Cheese with that whine?
Just teasing, Wendyk5.
October 27th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
My tastes run towards some of the classic American cheeses - Velveeta and Cheez Whiz come to mind.
October 27th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^
Where were you and MGoBrewMom when I was still looking for dates?
October 27th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^
That's why they are paid the big bucks by ESPN, to comment on things that are so obvious the chances of it blowing up in their faces is nil.
I also loved their segments about how Jameis Winston has some trouble with rules, we'll have a new POTUS in 2016, and the SEC has a lot of ranked teams because they are good at football.
October 27th, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^
I mean-- hes The MAN of OCs. You cant Fire him after 1-yr . . .
Although-- I spose if Hoke WERE to Fire Nuss after 1-yr, then This Board would say
WAIT-- you cant do that. I mean-- LOOK at the Nuss-O . . . and all it did !! Errrr, well maybe we shouldnt look at The Nuss-O . . .
October 27th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
What language is this?
October 27th, 2014 at 7:56 PM ^
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October 27th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
Hoke doesn't get to fire Nuss. Hoke made the choice, and for better or worse, has to live with it.
As always, the new coach gets to pick his own staff.