OT: Kevin Love to Cavs

Submitted by Pit2047 on
The Wolves and Cavs have agreed in principle to trade Kevin Love for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennet and a protected 2015 first rounder per Yahoo! Sports. The Cavs are definitely the favorites to win the East in my mind and may be the favorite overall. On the other hand, the is now a young, raw but crazy athletic back court in Minnesota with Zach Lavine, Wiggins and GRIII (Lob City East??). Everyone knew this would happen but I thought maybe the Cavs would figure a way to keep Wiggins. Deal can't officially go through until 8/23 because Wiggins signed his deal and per CBA rules once you sign you can't be traded for another 30 days.

Gucci Mane

August 7th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

Bad move by Cleveland. If they waiting for this offseason they would have been able to keep all those assets and still sign Love or another superstar. I am now a Lebron hater ( I rooted for Miami but I refuse to root for anything ohio) so I'm glad they did it this way. Wiggins will be a top 10 player in 4 years.

JClay

August 7th, 2014 at 10:30 AM ^

I agree about Wiggins being a star. Worst case scenario, that kid is a defensive stopper who you could put on the other team's best 1-4 player instead of LeBron and allowed LeBron to use less energy and extend his career. I really feel like in 3-4 years, they're going to wish they had Wiggins.

MGoChippewa

August 7th, 2014 at 6:23 PM ^

Go ahead and name five better. KD, CP3 and LeBron are obvious, I'd argue anybody else you say is more talented than him. Curry? Also doesn't play D. Kobe? Old, injured. Westbrook? Can't shoot, turnover prone. Harden/Dwight? Nah. Melo? Great scorer, does nothing else. Anthony Davis isn't there yet, but looks like he will be. Rose? Been three years since he really played. I stand by Love being a top 5 player.

1 percent

August 8th, 2014 at 3:18 AM ^

No they wouldn't have. They wouldn't have had the cap space to sign him without giving up the exact same assets they gave up.

It probably would have taken given up Haywood, Wiggins or Waiters, Bennett in the offseason. The only real pro is seeing whihc player you like better of Waiters/Wiggins

JClay

August 7th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

I'm probably in the minority, but if there was anyway Cleveland could've swung this trade for Love without giving up Kyrie, Wiggins, or Thompson (EDIT: or LeBron, obv), LeBron would've surpassed Jordan in titles.

Nolongerusingaccount

August 7th, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^

Lebron may pass Jordan in titles simply because he jumps ship when he sees adversity and then tries to stack the deck.  He's a phenomenal talent and will be considered a top five player of all time when it's all said and done.  I would put him below Jordan (who was pyschopathic as a player).  Lebron is also below Kobe (who I absolutely hate) in terms of overall career, but he'll pass Kobe in the future.

Nolongerusingaccount

August 7th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^

He would have never left Miami if he felt the window hadn't closed. With its complementary pieces, Cleveland is much better situated for future titles with Lebron than Miami was (he basically gave up at halftime in his Finals game). There was a reason why he didn't mention the previous two No. 1's in his letter. He's the smartest player in the league, and he knew Miami's time was up as it was constructed.

nerv

August 7th, 2014 at 12:08 PM ^

Are you a Wolves fan? Have you seen the other offers they were receiving for Love?  They werent even close to the return that this Cavs deal brings. Not even remotely sure what you would be waiting on, the Warriors to give up Klay Thompson? With Love Minnesota is competing for a 7th or 8th seed and the right to get blasted in a 1st round series.

Now Minnesota has a really talented young core of players. This actually gives them a solid future outlook with multiple kids with the potential to become really good players. I would take that 10 times out of 10 compared to competing for a low playoff seed.

Which is also a reason being a Pistons fan is so frustrating -- the way they seem to strive for mediocrity.

JClay

August 7th, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^

Golden State's package was less impressive than Waiters, Bennett + 2 1s, imho.

Minnesota wasn't letting Love leave for nothing. It may have been at the trade deadline instead off the off-season, but he wasn't finishing that contract there no matter how paltry the offers were.

Nolongerusingaccount

August 7th, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

Maybe it's because we are on a recruiting web site that people feel this way, but unless he's a sure thing, I would rather take guaranteed all stars if I were the GM. Wiggins has serious bust potential. I wouldn't risk my job over someone who looked just average against summer league competition, and yes, I actually watched some of the games. The athleticism is there but not much else.

umumum

August 7th, 2014 at 6:10 PM ^

one would always take the lesser but known quality over the potential upside.  I appreciate it is always a judgment call but sometimes the upside is worth risk.  And yea, I don't think Thompson is a guaranteed All-Star--if I thought otherwise, I might feel differently about the comparison.  And Wiggins will be a better defender than Thompson from day 1.

And I didn't miss your patronizing "recruiting web site" shot.

LSAClassOf2000

August 7th, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^

Here's NBC's piece on the subject - (LINK)

Per Adrian Wojnarowski - "Cleveland is making the deal with Minnesota with a firm agreement Love will opt out of his contract in 2015 and re-sign with the Cavaliers on a five-year, $120 million-plus contract extension, league sources told Yahoo Sports."

The value of a max contract, per the article, will not be officially known until we actually know the salary cap figures for the 2015-16 season, but per projections, it is about $108 million.

 

ChiCityWolverine

August 7th, 2014 at 10:36 AM ^

Cavs are the East favorite now, but I still see big flaws in this team in year 1. They will play no defense at all (no rim protector) and lack any kind of depth on the wing.

The more they make LeBron do in the regular season, the tougher it'll be on him later. Nobody else (except a couple bit role players) has ANY playoff experience and that matters a lot in the NBA.

AR-15

August 7th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

Plus Verajo and Irving are quite injury prone.  Anderson has averaged about 35 games a year for the past 4 season.  Add about 20-25 playoff games and it doesnt look too promising.  And Kyrie has had his share of breaks and surgeries and hasnt played in a big game in the NBA and not really in college either.  We shall see but the east is weak enough for them to make the finals 

AR-15

August 7th, 2014 at 11:23 AM ^

I like the idea of their complimentary players, but none of their young guys have played a meaningful game.  Tristian Thompson is young, so is Waiters and he's sort of a headcase.  They have a talented group of players but they are largely unproven and I think that playing with Lebron will help them.  Adding NBA champs Ray Allen, Shawn Marion and Mike Miller will help the young guys too but they still need to play some important games first.  I think it will play out like Miami's first year with the big 3 where they make the finals but fall short then are ready to win some championships after that.  

jcouz

August 7th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

How are Love, Irving, and LeBron along with the rest of the Cavs not at least as good as this past year's Heat team with Overrated Bosh, LeBron, injured Wade and a bunch of bullshit? They may not win the championship but how are they not the easy favorite in the East?

HarBooYa

August 7th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

After George injury, Bulls are only ones close. Will come down to health of D Rose and how good Irving really is. The Bobcats, bullets and raptors will remain young and interesting but I don't think they make cf this year. Nets will be interesting with Lopez back but they don't have enough just like Knicks and hawks. The rat have no chance.

Would love to see Cavs v thunder and have MCGary breakout in finals.

AR-15

August 7th, 2014 at 2:18 PM ^

Yes, you are right that they are the favorite in the east, but that's bc it's not very competitive.  There's only one other team they have to be concerned about, but the Bulls could be very good and most of them have played together for a few seasons.   At least for the first season, I think the Bulls will be better than Cleveland if Rose is healthy

 

drewz05

August 7th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^

I think the pick had to be "protected" because they had already traded away their 2016 pick to get rid of Jack, which means that they can't trade their unprotected 2015 pick unless they have another guaranteed 2015 first round pick, which they don't.  They had to add some level of "protection" that deals with the consequences of not being able to trade their 2015 pick.

bronxblue

August 7th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

That's a good trade for Minny.  Love is a great offensive player with mediocre defensive game.  I know people keep looking at the stats with him and they are impressive, but who on that team other than LeBron and Varejao are even average defenders?  I mean, Kyrie could be a good defender but hasn't shown it, and maybe Waiters if he can get his head out of his butt.  But that team isn't going to slow people down with Love at the 4/5, and they've basically traded away any good young players who could turn into solid defenders down the line.

I know LeBron wants to win now, but the Cavs look like a regular season team that will win 50+ games and then flame out in the playoffs when they can't stop good offenses.

DMill2782

August 7th, 2014 at 11:37 AM ^

look out for my Pacers this year! With our starting line up, it's not unreasonable to think that we could average 82-85 PPG this year. Who can top that?!

1 percent

August 8th, 2014 at 3:31 AM ^

How do you figure?

 

They essentially swapped Bennett for Kevin Love. All they gave up was Wiggins. I mean, if you figure Love isn't worth Wiggins potential then I can see that and they still have 2 first round picks in next years draft.