Matthew Loves Ball being shut down by YouTube
The best CFB extended highlights channel on YouTube, an incredible resource for us all, is being shut down by YouTube "due to copyright strikes received and accumulated recently," presumably by the greedy capitalists at Fox Sports. He is starting a new YouTube channel to continue his work, which you can find here.
Onward for the proletarian highlights revolution!
RIP š pic.twitter.com/eVTLypRnpj
ā PSC Highlights (@psc_highlights) November 28, 2023
November 28th, 2023 at 10:03 AM ^
Since MattLB's note didn't embed above, here it is:
November 28th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^
Username seems prescient
November 28th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^
Everybody can agree this is a BS move.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:08 AM ^
If fox is gonna make us sit through 4 hour games, they owe us excellent highlight reels for the people. Fuck them. And for no reason at all, fuck Tony Petiti
November 28th, 2023 at 10:19 AM ^
Hey come on thereās reasons
November 28th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
This is what I don't understand. It's not like people choose to not watch games live because they want to wait for the ad free highlights 12-24 hours later. What are these networks gaining by doing this?
November 28th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
They do re-air some of the games the next day/later that week, often condensed, so they do reap some ongoing economic value for the telecasts. But mostly itās a āwe paid for it and itās ours and you canāt have itā mentality.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:07 PM ^
If it's just about money Fox still gets revenue when they copyright claim the highlight videos, and turn on monetization on them. My guess is that they are mad that fans aren't flocking to FOXsports youtube page in the tens of millions.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^
That's right...we were driving for 14 hours on Saturday. Ran into significant snow the last 100 miles. Made it to within a mile of our place-neighbor pulled us home with his tractor.
I figured FOX or somebody was pulling something here.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:31 AM ^
They want people to watch their own highlights on youtube, which suck
November 28th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
Also in things I don't understand: why do the networks all of a sudden care about this? Per MattLB's note above, he's been doing this for 5 years. He is certainly not the only purveyor of this type of content. Curious why they decided to start pulling the plug on these channel now. Wonder if it is just Fox or are other networks doing the same?
November 28th, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^
I actually chose to miss many games a year, and watch on his station. I missed the OSU game, and went right for MLB the next day after some radio silence. I would say that my case proves that Fox is making a good financial decision here, except I do not live in the USA and I have no way to legally watch these games and give Fox any money in doing so.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:10 AM ^
Man, this is bullshit. Companies don't realize that all these channels do is increase viewership for the sport, not take anything away from them. Not to mention its contested legal territory to suggest that they can't do this on YouTube in the first place. Not to mention, Fox and ESPN suck at making highlight videos, often eliding huge or interesting plays.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:34 AM ^
Companies don't realize that all these channels do is increase viewership for the sport, not take anything away from them.
That's not quite accurate. For example, the NBA is going through negotiating its media rights right now, and a big concern is the younger generation does not watch games on TNT or ESPN -- they watch highlight packages on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. There is a real challenge to make these media deals worth it, for all involved, if people are just "consuming" content via clips from third-parties.
Now, instead of fighting that, you may have noticed (I certainly have) the Fox, ESPN, etc are increasingly posting their own extensive highlight packages on YouTube, etc. It used to be just 2-3 minutes, now they are 10-12 minutes. They then sell ads against these packages and get money that way. But these packages are often not as good, extensive (or fun) as other packages put together, so it kind of sucks..
Now if they were *really* smart, they'd partner with some of these people like Matthew Loves Ball, let the guy do his thing, and take 90% of the revenue from ads, collaborate with Matthew on gear sales, etc. But they don't seem to be going in that direction (or at least Fox is currently not).
(Speaking of ads: I could not complete my comment / see what I was typing for a minute at a time because a huge "BITSIGHT: SEC COMPLIANCE" ads blocks my screen. So ads & monetizing are problems all over)
November 28th, 2023 at 11:54 AM ^
There is a way on Youtube that the content owner can collect the ad revenue instead of pulling the footage.
Fox/BTN could have just taken the money and left this guy alone. TBH, if Tiny Tony had a brain, he would hire him to do the BTN in 60 cuts.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:12 PM ^
90% of the revenue from ads? They were getting 100% of the revenue, and all they had to do was check a box on each video with their property on it. That's the thing. They aren't really smart. They went from a faucet of money each week to a trickle.
November 28th, 2023 at 12:12 PM ^
I guess "contested" is in the eyes of the beholder, but cutting up a 20-minute highlight video, providing minimal, if any, analysis or original work, and monetizing the result is a pretty clear violation of the Copyright Act. And one of the primary tenets of US copyright law is that enforcement is the responsibility of the rightsholder -- and also that selective enforcement is not allowed. If they do not enforce their copyright vigorously, they risk having the content deemed public domain by a future judge when they do try to enforce it.
Also, I believe this particular channel was one of those that used the FOX audio as well as the video. The licensing terms are different -- the audio is definitely owned by FOX, whereas, IIRC, the video is owned by the home team and provided under a nonexclusive license. That's why whenever ESPN or CBS or whomever has a highlight from another network, you'll usually hear the home radio call -- they can access both the video and radio audio through their license agreement with the home team.
(The NFL is different, as the NFL specifically claims ownership of everything in their agreements, and they have the leverage to pull it off. That's why NFL Red Zone is a thing).
November 28th, 2023 at 1:13 PM ^
the uploaders wasn't the ones monetizing the highlight videos. The sports media companies that owned the copyright were the ones monetizing the videos. It's literally how Youtube has worked for a decade.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
Figure Iāll leave this here for those who donāt know. If you google search college football vods and then click on the first link (NFL-video) you can watch the Michigan-OSU game in its entirety, without commercials, in 4K. Iāve already rewatched the game at-least 5-6 times.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:16 AM ^
Upvote this man!
Thank you, sir. I appreciate that the Big Ten Networkās 60 minute replays generally have every play, but sometimes itās nice to just put the full broadcast on in the background while working.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^
I'm the same way. There are certain parts of the game where I want to go back and listen to the commentary, hear the crowd, or just listen to Gus Johnson almost have an aneurysm anytime a big play happens.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^
This works. Thanks!
November 28th, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^
Thank-you. When will the man get around to taking this away too?
November 28th, 2023 at 10:17 AM ^
What the fuck are these networks afraid of?
Baseball was mad about giving games away for free on the radio. It created fans and increased attendance.
NFL finally gave up the blackouts for non-sellouts.
And honestly, I'm such a sicko, I would pay a few dollars to access old games on-demand, and yet they don't even offer that. They are dumb and evil.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:18 AM ^
Why is he creating a new channel, when they're just going to shut this one down too? He needs to find a different platform, preferably one hosted in a country that doesn't give a fuck about our insane copyright laws.
Fuck Google. You used to be cool and now you suck.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:26 AM ^
Nothing Google can do about it. Fox has the rights and can legitimately claim copyright on it. If Google didn't honor it, they'd get sued and lose. Google isn't some shady site that can take chances like that.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:45 AM ^
Fuck Google was more of a general comment. They used to be the best search engine by far and now it's crap.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:02 AM ^
I can get on board with that one, though part of it is just the state of the Internet with spam sites and consolidation of everything under a few umbrellas.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
I have no love for the US copyright system but "another platform in another country that doesn't care about US copyright" is a limited list and have a variety of issues that wouldn't be remotely fun to deal with for him or his users.
What sucks in general is that these networks pay billions of dollars for these games and they aren't inclined to give up access to those investments easily. There should be a loosening of the restrictions around these types of compilations, and maybe there will be. As Matt noted, he has a premium subscription tier so he's making money of these highlights so maybe Fox, ESPN, etc. would let him keep the page up by paying some licensing fee. Now, that might be too onerous for how much revenue he actually generates but it would be worth trying to figure out because everyone involved would benefit.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^
I can't recall which channel it was--maybe I saw this in the WD highlight thread--but someone's channel was having a similar issue even though they weren't making money off the channel.
I suppose in that situation, it's YT that's making the money off the copyrighted material, in which case it would mean YT would have to pay the networks. And while that seems fine to me, YT apparently doesn't care.
I honestly don't understand why there isn't a solution happening here. Shutting down the channels cuts off any chance at increasing revenue for YT and the networks. Is this really driving that much more traffic to their own channels where they put 90-second highlights? I find that hard to believe.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
Sam had to go to a no sponsor model for All-22 he was using with DG and Al. That is the one I remember.
November 28th, 2023 at 12:01 PM ^
I mean, YT lets creators monetize their channels after a certain amount of time and viewership, so I wasn't saying it was just via the subscription. They sell ads, etc. that stream before the videos. And if I'm Fox I'm not dying to let Youtube sell ads off my content even if it has been spliced up. And I'm sure Fox would like to charge a lot more to YT than YT wants to pay, especially since this is user-provided videos so it's not like YT has as much control and insights into what's shown.
I don't know what the solution is here and shutting down channels seems inefficient but that's likely going to have to be resolved between YT and the rights holders.
November 28th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^
Probably to upload highlight videos of games not broadcasted by fox sports. As no one else really gives an eff.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:21 AM ^
Yeah, I noticed he wasn't posting highlights recently and assumed that was the case. Sucks because Fox and others put out skimpy highlight clips themselves.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
Fox should hire him, pay him $$ to run a channel of their clips at his choosing. (I don't watch him or old clips but it seems like there's a market for them, and sounds like Fox does a bad job of giving the people what they want).
November 28th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
Stupid Fox. You couldnāt have waited until AFTER the Ohio State game and the B1G Championship game to start acting like a POS?
Put the big games back on ABC. At least then weāll be spared some commercial breaks and listening to Gus Johnson drool over āWorld Famous.ā
November 28th, 2023 at 10:36 AM ^
Gus tries so hard to hide his Michigan fandom that he is over the top with his Buckeye rhetoric. The world famous line makes me want to puke.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^
Saying it once or twice is, eh whatever, it's fine. But he definitely goes overboard with it. It's like he always has to make every single play out to be "that moment" that needs no other context for what's happening. It just doesn't work that way and gets grating.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:04 AM ^
This. He is the antithesis of somebody like Keith Jackson. Jackson understood that every game was like a self-contained novel, telling a story with ebbs and flows. He seemed to never stop talking but always said very little at one time. I like Gus Johnson but I am less fond of him every year now that he keeps turning the Gus-meter up to out-do himself.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
ABC is owned by the house of mouse IIRC and their sports division was swallowed up by ESPN.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^
There are many confusing things in life that I am willing to accept and move on from. People having even an ounce of disdain for Gus Johnson is not one of them.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^
FWIW Gus named his dog "Bo" because he's a die-hard Michigan fan.
November 28th, 2023 at 12:54 PM ^
Here's why Gus Johnson calls them the "World Famous Ohio State University." IMHO it's a pretty good reason and I'm good with it.
LINK to the Sporting News Article about this. Plus an excerpt below.
There certainly could be some people outside the United States who consider the Buckeyes' football program to be world famous, but that's not why Johnson has deemed them internationally significant. In fact, it has nothing to do with football at all.
It is because of Jesse Owens.
Johnson spoke at Ohio State's campus on Nov. 10, two days before the team's game against Indiana, during which he spoke about his terming of the Buckeyes as "world famous." He said that when Owens ran in the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, claiming four gold medals, that he put Ohio State on the international map.
"The whole world knew about Jesse and Ohio State," Johnson said. "So that's why when you see me call the game nowadays and you may hear me say, 'the world famous Ohio State University. The world famous Ohio State University.' That is an ode to him. And it's something that we can never forget."
November 28th, 2023 at 10:28 AM ^
Aside, I've wondered how many people were involved with production on that YouTube channel. I thought they did a nice job. Also, OP's name checks out very well here. :)
November 28th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^
I'm pretty sure it's just one guy doing it, which is simply amazing.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:35 AM ^
Get off YouTube. Try to use YouTube as little as possible as it is a shell of its former glory. The content creators has made YouTube what it is not the networks.
YouTube should be removing Fox from its site if anything especially if it is intent on charging a subscription for commercial free content.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:38 AM ^
I'm surprised it took them that long.
November 28th, 2023 at 10:40 AM ^
well, clearly he needs to work with Conor Stallions. Conor can provide footage of the games (from handhelds, all 22, including signs!), and this guy can do his magic from there.
#toosoon?
November 28th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^
Does anyone have the google drive link for the highlights with the ohio radio announcers? I want to drink their tears.
November 28th, 2023 at 11:06 AM ^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01K_8ruzQew
This is the radio highlights without video.