[Patrick Barron]

Big Ten Suspends Harbaugh Through OSU, Michigan to Seek Restraining Order Comment Count

Seth November 10th, 2023 at 4:48 PM

They waited until 3:50 PM (ESPN got a 30-minute advance), on the court holiday, on the Friday before the thus-far biggest game of the season. But the Big Ten is indeed going through with its plan to suspend Harbaugh, at least from the sideline, through the Ohio State game.

The Big Ten's servers are getting slammed right now but former student president Michael Proppe posted Tony Petitti's response to Twitter.

The letter includes some surprisingly recursive arguments:

  • It is unsafe for the players: "if you know what play your opponent is running, then you also know where your opponents' players will be on the field."
  • Signs are permanent: "Numerous coaches have informed me that signs and signals cannot be quickly or easily changed, and I find those statements credible."
  • It's okay if they have your signs though: "The Conference has not received any information that any other members schools engaged in impermissible advance in-person scouting."
  • Who needs evidence? "We impose this disciplinary action even though the Conference has not yet received any information indicating that Head Football Coach Harbaugh was aware of the impermissible nature of the sign-stealing scheme.

The "will be allowed to coach during the week" rider is interesting. Ohio State used this method to sorta-suspend Urban Meyer for enabling his staffer's spousal abuse in 2018, and Michigan did the same earlier this year for Harbaugh enabling his staffers' meal expense abuse. It's possible the Big Ten hoped Michigan would see this for a fig leaf and accept the punishment.

They will not:

Michigan will file a temporary restraining order in the next few hours, and almost certainly has a judge lined up to take it. The petty timing of this action might be enough on its own to win the injunction. Harbaugh is currently traveling to Penn State.

Comments

stephenrjking

November 10th, 2023 at 7:23 PM ^

These are fair questions.

Allegations suggest that Stalions broke rules. That crosses a line that is different from conventional sign-stealing. I can accept that should it be proven, and crucially Michigan has plainly said that they can accept that, too.

It is not something you suspend Harbaugh for. Not even remotely close. And absolutely not until things have actually been adjudicated.

This is like a kid getting suspended from school for a month for leaving an open can of soda that spills on a school bus floor. Yes, shouldn’t do that. No, it’s not proportional.

 

xgojim

November 10th, 2023 at 5:20 PM ^

I was 28 years old in 1973 so very much around at that time.  These two situations aren't real comparable but similar, I suppose, in the appearance of the B1G v. Michigan.   Of course, in 1973, Michigan actually received support from some of the other institutions though the majority voted against.  But it caused the season to end prematurely since the Rose Bowl was the single post-season game.  Unlike this time, there was no way to remedy the result. 

This year, the season continues, no matter the situation, and there is a good chance for a good post-season, playoffs or not.  But the future repercussions of this action are so much greater this time than 1973.  This will likely set some kind of NCAA/B1G precedent that will be applied in other situations.  At that time, the team prepared for 1974 without the extra BS happening now.  No court action.  No talk of bolting the B1G. With all the changes in college football over the past few years, this may just be part of the continuing "progress."

Yeoman

November 10th, 2023 at 5:30 PM ^

The "rule" they ignored in '73 was unwritten, and there was an argument to be made that they should send the team they thought would be more competitive (sort of the opposite of what they seem to be doing now).

This is worse. Far, far more petty and unjustifiable. So much worse that unlike '73 it's remediable in the courts. Which I suppose made '73 worse, in its effects.

'73 was a decision. This is a mob.

growler4

November 10th, 2023 at 6:04 PM ^

Other than the victory over Ohio State 2 years ago, that was my most memorable game.

This seems worse to me, as it's an unfair rush to judgment towards an individual. In 1973, the vote went against us due to Dennis Franklin's injury. That wasn't right, but the argument could be made that the conference was attempting to send the representative with the best chance to win the Rose Bowl.

This current decision is harder to rationalize. At least wait for a full investigation to be conducted.

TBlue

November 10th, 2023 at 6:23 PM ^

Stephen, 1973 was horrible.  Bo never got over it.  That was a snub of horrific proportions indeed.  A slap in the face from many other Big Ten members (including Sparty).
What is happening now is beyond a horrible snub.  It is a direct attack at our school, our team, our head coach, and the integrity of our athletic department.  All while having nothing to do with due process.  

HChiti76

November 11th, 2023 at 1:19 AM ^

I was a sophomore at Michigan in 1973. The 10-10 tie was my first M OSU game. Tonight, I am the angriest I’ve been over anything related to M sports since the infamous AD vote in 1973.

They are very different, though. Even though we vociferously disagreed with the vote, it was completely within the rules. The Big 10 had a no repeat rule from 1949-1972 re: The Rose Bowl. So, even if you won the outright Big 10 championship, you couldn’t go to the Rose Bowl if you went the year before. 

The Pac 8 had no such rule. They sent their conference champion every year. After the Big 10 dominated the Rose Bowl throughout the 1950’s & early 1960’s, the Pac 8 began to dominate and the Big 10 didn’t like that. 

Favored Michigan was upset in the 1970 & 1972 Rose Bowls. Likewise, favored Ohio State was upset in the 1971 Rose Bowl. USC totally destroyed OSU in the 1973 Rose Bowl, but that wasn’t a surprise. The #1 12-0 1972 Trojans are considered by many to be the greatest college football team of all time. 

After M & OSU tied in 1973, under the old repeat rule, M would have gone to the Rose Bowl. M also had the overall best record, since, OSU, in an effort to deemphasize football (more about this later), played one less game. They were 9-0-1 & M was 10-0-1. 

But there was no tiebreaker formula. Since they tied in the Big 10 standings, it went to a vote of the athletic directors. They voted 6-4 to send Ohio State to the Rose Bowl, including the infamous OSU vote by MSU AD Burt Smith (yes, we still remember that asshole’s name). 

The alleged rationale was that our star QB Dennis Franklin had allegedly broke his collarbone in the OSU game and would not be able to play in the Rose Bowl and therefore, OSU gave the Big 10 a better chance of winning, which they did in convincing fashion. Turned out the reasoning was faulty, since Franklin recovered and could have played in the Rose Bowl. 

So, there are two big differences in these 1973 & 2023 Big 10 screwings of M. One was clearly within the rules, while this one is not. So, in that sense, what is going on now is worse.

However, the result of 1973 was much worse, because that vote ended Michigan’s season. That group of exemplary players were to finish 30-2-1 from 1972-4 and never go to a bowl game. A grave injustice. 

This year, as unjust as the process has been, with the B1G not following their own rules, Michigan can still move forward and play potentially six more games and win the B1G and national championship. 
 

 

J. Redux

November 10th, 2023 at 6:15 PM ^

The -7 wasn’t a consensus line. It was a line from one book on Saturday night and it was gone by Sunday evening. The consensus line all week has been -5.5.

Vegas would love for the money to be even on both sides, but since they can’t know the future, that’s not actually possible. They do the best they can, but moving the line due to public money almost never happens, because it opens them up to large bets from the sharps.

stephenrjking

November 10th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^

BTW, I’m mad at the B1G too, but the correct response isn’t to leave. Michigan won’t benefit from leaving.

The response is to beat them in court. And beat them on the field.

I’m worried about how this will affect the team on the field. It matters what is happening to Harbaugh. But man do I want them to win and win big. 

CWood2

November 10th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^

A Conference affiliation is supposed to support and shield against injustice like this.  The fact that they are the ones leading the way is the most insane thing I've ever watched unfold in any sport.  Michigan absolutely has to look into every avenue to leave the Conference as soon as it possibly can.  It has just been proven to us that they are actually against us, and egregiously so.  

Long-term, this may actually be a win for the University, as I have never seen us this unified and galvanized. Make no mistake, this is a gut punch for right now, but we still have a chance to respond and respond strongly (on and off the field).  

But this is irrevocable damage.  There is no coming back from this in my view. 

stephenrjking

November 10th, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^

So “leave the B1G” talk is loud right now, and I’m open to being wrong here, and so I’ll try and respond here to explain myself and perhaps grant some good opposing points.

The trust issue here is indeed significant. A lot of Rubicons have now been crossed, and one of them is that the conference has had a temper tantrum and tried to damage Michigan and Harbaugh in a way that can only be interpreted as jealousy or spite. This is Michigan’s best team in decades, but the B1G basically got carried away in a media outrage cycle we see people get carried away with occasionally, smelled blood, and have attempted to decapitate us. Further, I genuinely believe that this is being attempted in part because opponents believe they can rid themselves of Harbaugh permanently by driving him away from college football. This is an attempt to improve on-field.

So, yes, Michigan’s trust in the conference is permanent, seriously injured.

But there’s also an element of cutting off the nose to spite the face here. Who benefits from Michigan jumping to a different conference? Not Michigan financially. And, crucially, a major benefitting party would be that conference’s television partner.

You know, ESPN. Whose nonstop coverage played a significant part in making this an outrage dogpile in the first place.

I’m sorry, but ESPN should not be allowed to gin up an outrage like this and then profit from it.

I am open to the possibility that there might be some super-league option. If one were offered I’d probably say take it. But right now Michigan’s choice is an inferior conference whose revenue would result in Michigan getting worse and less significant, or an equal conference whose major funded is a co-conspirator in an attempt to wreck our program.

I’ll pass for the moment. 

gbdub

November 10th, 2023 at 8:01 PM ^

“the B1G basically got carried away in a media outrage cycle we see people get carried away with occasionally”

False. The outrage cycle was self-generated and driven by rival coaches. The fact that Pettiti leaked this to Pete Thamel 30 minutes before Michigan got it is the final proof: he is deliberately stoking the outrage cycle. 

1VaBlue1

November 10th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^

I understand what you're saying, and also don't believe that leaving is the short term answer.  However, leaving must be a viable option that begins serious investigation now.  There is no way Michigan can trust that it's conference partners will engage equally and fairly.  Nor that the conference administration will act fairly on its behalf in disputes.  It cannot be counted on that game officiating will remain impartial.  And these concerns are for ALL sports, not just football.  The Conference has set this relationship on fire, and the Conference runs all sports.

The Conference cannot be trusted.  Leaving must be a viable option, and I believe that serious thought needs to be put into it.

bighouseinmate

November 10th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^

This action today by the b1g has made it crystal clear that neither the conference admin, not the membership, will treat UM fairly. And the fear is that this will trickle over into other sports, namely men’s bball, and especially if Michigan football ends up beating this conference circus and winning the whole thing. The conference and other schools will be looking for payback any way they can get it. So, at the very least make it publicly known that Michigan is looking around at alternatives. As an added screw you, make sure the incoming schools understand completely what they will be up against.

EGD

November 10th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^

I disagree. There are 14 schools in the Big Ten now, and next year there will be 18 schools. Michigan has one vote. If the other 13 or 17 or even just a majority of them decide they want to screw you over, they can do so and have just proven they will do so given the slightest opportunity. At least a majority of those other schools have shown their desire to improve their chances of winning football games will not yield to any principle of honor, respect, or comity. The league is a nauseating snakepit and there is no reason whatsoever to remain a part of it beyond "we've always been a member." That's not a good enough reason. Michigan should leave the Big Ten at the earliest opportunity.

milhouse

November 10th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^

How does M lose? We all know this is heading to super conferences away. This just speeds up the process and likely screws OSU and MSU in the process. M, ND, and USC form the nucleus. We pull in UCLA, W, and O. We add Cal and Stanford, if needed. That core should bring a bigger contract per team than the new B1G contract.

Hail-Storm

November 10th, 2023 at 5:45 PM ^

I think PSU comes with us to the new ACC. They have always said they don’t feel like a natural fit to the BiG. I’d love to have the Pac10 schools and leave OSU spreading their costs amongst the following teams:

rutgers

northwestern

indiana

illinois

wisconsin

minnesota

MSU

maryland

iowa

nebraska

purdue

good luck getting a good tv contract with that line up. You think the BiG west is pulling in eyeballs? At that point, OSU leaves for the SEC and the rest go play big 12 teams

Hail-Storm

November 10th, 2023 at 6:17 PM ^

Yeah, I put PSU in there, not because I particularly like them, but they would be a natural fit for the ACC and it would duck over OSU more because they would have a shit conference to spread their money to. I would leave Rutgers and Maryland there too. The arguments are all stupid. Michigan hasn’t played anyone (6 games against BIG teams) but is being told the sign stealing has given an unfair advantage, but Michigan would have run through that group the same either way. Michigan shows other teams had our signs and they were shared by coaches. The big ten says it’s not a big deal because it is easy to get signs, so Michigan had no real advantage, except they did and it was the worst thing ever. I want to hurt the teams that have tried to hurt us the most. Leave the conference as a shit place and let all these teams have fun going into football history the worst decision ever. 

Hail-Storm

November 10th, 2023 at 6:35 PM ^

New conferences:

SEC: current additions plus OSU

PAAC: Pacific / Atlantic Coastal Conference will be ACC teams, Michigan, ND, PSU, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal.

Big conference: 11 Big 10 teams and the Big 12 teams plus Oregon and Washington state. No blue bloods,

I’m guessing there will be a push by SEC and PAAC to run their own football league and championship 

I’m guessing Maryland and Rutgers go to big east.