OT: RIP Scott Hall aka The Bad Guy Razor Ramon
HEY YO!! It may be a late post but since we have a thread on The Bachelor finale, I thought I'd post about the passing of a wrestling revolutionary. Scott Hall passed today after suffering 3 heart attacks as a result of complications from a hip surgery after a fall.
https://www.wwe.com/article/wwe-remembers-wwe-hall-of-famer-scott-hall
https://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-says-goodbye-to-the-bad-guy-with-a-touching-tribute-to-scott-hall
I'm sure that even that most anti-wrestling of you know what the nWo was and their affect on pop culture in the late 90's and Scott Hall planted the1st seed. Even through all of his personal trials &tribulations ended his career prematurely, Scott Hall came out the other side a better man. "Bad times don't last, but Bad Guys do!"
https://www.wwe.com/videos/wwe-says-goodbye-to-the-bad-guy-with-a-touching-tribute-to-scott-hall
RIP RAZOR!!!!
The dreaded no edits on OP's got me. Here is couple of other links I wanted to include not a repeat of the tribute video. Apologies from the OP.
"I'm sure that even that most anti-wrestling of you know what the nWo was and their affect on pop culture in the late 90's"
I have no fucking clue who or what "nWo" was, or what its/their effect on pop culture was.
Not the biggest fan of fake wrestling, but I had some awesome drunk-hook-up PPV wrestling parties. nWo was the rage then & Scott Hall was a big deal, but now I'm in my 50's those days are long gone.
IMO this is a better topic than the Bachelor finale post, not that either are all that great. Now get off my lawn whippersnappers.
Thanks for the support, I think?? How does this stack up to all of the other RIP post we get on this message board? Certainly not above William Hurt's RIP post. If Scott Hall had worn a Michigan shirt to the ring, would it be more acceptable?
No problem, my friends and I used to stay up all night play WCW vs nWo on the N64 it was bad-ass. The good o'l days!
Right, like the Steiner brothers. They wore Michigan shirts sometimes and they were born in Michigan so that would have been a huge post. Kind of like the great posts of which cable company should I get?? That one seems to pop up on this board every month. Very riveting conversation. Should I get YouTube TV or my local cable company or should I get Sling?? I can’t do any research of my own so I will ask the board for the 50th time. Love when that topic pops up every month. Wrestling was huge in the 80’s and 90’s. Everyone knows wrestling is fake but Scott Hall’s life story is pretty interesting. He had addiction issues and overcame them only to die from complications from a blood clot going to his heart after hip surgery. I understand that wrestling isn’t for everyone but this topic is far more interesting than which cable provider I should get or how do I avoid a trail cam so I can see into my neighbors windows and play with myself while they shower.
"drunk-hook-up PPV wrestling parties."
No judgement here, but I'm confused. Does hook-up mean like hooking up coaxial cable or does it mean sex? If the latter, who are you hooking up with at a PPV wrestling party?
I normally leave a thread when the snarky replies start but I am game for them on this one. You must have been coolest guy ever to not know about the nWo in the mid to late 90's. They were on the cover of TV Guide, on the front page of the sports section of USA Today, on The Tonight Show, and had features on ESPN. I'll grant you that most of those instances I mentioned involved Hulk Hogan and not Scott Hall. If you want to learn more about Scott Hall, that's what the links are for. But to say "I have no fucking clue who or what "nWo" was, or what its/their effect on pop culture was" must mean you are way too cool for me or at least too cool for you to even comment on my thread. Or are you just being the grammar police because I couldn't edit affect into effect? Either way, you're being kind of a dick on this one Don.
Dont worry about him. Its the coolest new fad to tell people how much of a fuck you dont give. That being said eff that bachelor post. All in good fun. Lets hold a toothpick to the sky and salute Razor. I only watched wrestling for one summer as a young adult but it was a blast. Mankind, Steve Austin, Bad Hogan, so many fun ones.
March 15th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^
Uh, I had no idea who the guy was either. Doesn't make me edgy, cool, or any "kind of a dick", just indicates that I am someone focusing elsewhere.
I probably saw Hulk Hogan on the magazines in check out lines at stores but he was so far out of my areas of concern or interests that he never registered in my thoughts. Only "stories" I ever got involved him and his wife. Why? They stayed at a small resort with us (wife and I) - once. Wives yakked it up a bit.
Only wrestling of which I was ever aware featured guys like Killer Kowalski and Antonino Roccca. My grandmother used to like watching them.
Anyway, sorry your dude died. Didn't know him, his organization, his victories or defeats.
Peace ...
March 15th, 2022 at 11:38 AM ^
You must have been coolest guy ever to not know about the nWo in the mid to late 90's...must mean you are way too cool for me or at least too cool for you to even comment on my thread.
Nobody who knows me would ever call me cool, or anything close to it.
I thought pro wrestling was a silly fake joke back in the early '60s in Detroit when I occasionally watched Dick the Bruiser, Leaping Larry Chene, Bobo Brazil, and Haystack Calhoun on "Motor City Wrestling" on TV. Most of the kids I knew were convinced it was all real, unscripted, athletic competition as legit as baseball and football. I went down to Cobo Arena in the late '60s with a friend who was a huge wrestling fan to watch Bobo Brazil and saw demented old ladies at ringside trying to climb into the ring to take a swing at Bobo. Everybody in the crowd around me was bug-eyed screaming and yelling like they were watching Michigan vs Ohio State.
As for my comment? Be honest—when you make unsupportable assertions like this:
"I'm sure that even that most anti-wrestling of you know what the nWo was and their affect on pop culture in the late 90's"
you knew damn well that somebody was going to dispute it. In this thread I'll be the heel.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:27 PM ^
Translation:
I'm bored so I'm going to argue for the sake of arguing.
"most"
So, you and @highbeta are just out of the age range to have enjoyed wrestling in the late 90's? Had pop culture already pass you by the same way that pop culture has passed me by today? Is that what the 2 of you are trying to convey? You obviously know a little something about wrestling to describe yourself as a heel.
My age? Regardless of my age, wrestling *never* was a sport for me.
I was a huge boxing fan. Started watching as a boy. Eventually lost interest as the "theatre" of boxing become more important than the in-ring skills. Mike Tyson kinda ended it all for me. The on-screen wrestling that I occasionally saw was too scripted, too undisciplined, etc. Yeah, I get that they're people, fun personnas - but I just never liked any of it.
Pop culture? I was a Woodstock guy. I am not sure what "pop culture" means... LOL.
Whatever works for you is fine for you. It doesn't have to work for me.
nWo was a very obnoxious alliance within professional wrestling. Believe it or not, you have seen their effect on pop culture. During the sideline nonsense with Wisconsin, one of their trainers (or something) did a "suck it" gesture copied from a wrestling alliance that was an even more obnoxious knockoff of nWo from a different professional wrestling promotion.
TMYK.
Wow Don so edgy
Thanks to having a son in middle school during the nineties, wrestling became must-watch TV in my home. I paid for lots of pay-per-view events in those days and chauffered my son and one of his friends to some wrestling events in the New York area. So, even in my seventies, I know who Scott Hall/Razor Ramon was and I remember the nWo.
My son’s passion for TV wrestling made me recall my younger days when wrestling on TV was broadcast in black-and-white from places like Cobo Hall in Detroit, Sunnyside Arena in Queens, NY and Madison Square Garden, promoted by Vince McMahon Sr.’s World Wide Wrestling Federation and featuring wrestlers like Bruno Sammartino, Antonino Rocca and his tag team partner Miguel Pérez, Nature Boy Buddy Rogers, Handsome Johnny Barend, Verne Gagne, Bobo Brazil, Gorilla Monsoon, Haystacks Calhoun, Dick the Bruiser, Édouard Carpentier, Sweet Daddy Siki and Skull Murphy.
Since my son embarked on his path to becoming a "Double Wolverine" this century, the only wrestling I've watched on TV has been the NCAA and the Olympics variety, but I have great memories of sitting with my son as we watched all those WWE broadcasts in the nineties and the early part of the 2000s.
Jesus christ, lighten up Francis.
March 15th, 2022 at 10:20 AM ^
So why fucking post to tell us this? Is it going to make our day better?
March 15th, 2022 at 11:49 AM ^
Old people like Don suck
March 15th, 2022 at 12:02 PM ^
Nah, sometimes they're just honestly telling you that they don't share some things with the "less mature crowd" ;-)
March 15th, 2022 at 12:04 PM ^
Amen. Go dial in to the Michigan Radio show, Don.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:10 PM ^
That's when Hulk Hogan turned into a bad guy as he joined forecast with "bad guys" of Diesel and Razor Ramon. I was outraged (LOL) that the Hulkster would do such a thing as he betrayed all of his fans but it boosted ratings and wave what was then the WWF.
new World order? (I'm with you Don.)
This man lived hard. The E:60 episode a few years ago was eye opening. RIP Razor.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:42 PM ^
Is it bad that I thought he was already dead?
March 15th, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^
No, it's not. He was very very close to it for quite some time, wheelchair bound, etc. Thankfully he managed to get clean and turn his later years around. It is rather miraculous he survived his rock bottom, but I'm glad he did, and had some good years on the other side of it.
“Don’t turn your back on the Wolf Pack”
RIP Hall. NWO is nostalgia. I loved wrestling as a kid and the wolf pack made it what it was back in the day.
One of the biggest compliments you can pay to a wrestler is the emotion they bring out of you.
When I was a teenager, I would get visibly upset when Hall, Nash, Hogan, and the rest of the nWo took over the broadcast booth on WCW Nitro.
The nWo was the single best stable to ever grace wrestling, and I HIGHLY doubt there will be another group like them. Scott was absolutely iconic.
He definitely had his demons after wrestling; I watched a special on him and all the work he had to do to get back to a somewhat normal life.
Dude is a legend.
March 15th, 2022 at 12:14 PM ^
No doubt that fact that Hulk Hogan turning into a bad guy was upsetting at that time. I sure worked and got my emotions upside down. It was such a clever thing for the WWF to do at that time.
Always sad to hear someone has passed, but... I lost interest in professional wrestling back in the days of Hulk Hogan vs Sgt. Slaughter.
"you step in the ring with Razor Ramon, it's strictly business, chico. I not going to scar your heart, oh no. I going to scar your soul."
RIP, El Jefe.
Just noticed the new avatar. Well done, HP.
March 15th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^
Out of necessity, Elon Musk is trying to track him down.
Here's where he started in what then was still called the WWF.
The ultimate "bad guy" in wrestling. From the toothpick, to "hey yo", to the whole Scarface persona, and then being part of one of the most notable wrestling storylines in the history of fake sports, he was such an icon. RIP Bad Guy.
Dude..........this is a pic of "Fake" Razor Ramon, Richard Bognar. Booooooooooooooooo
Oh. Whoops! You definitely got me there.
Well, I was always more of an Undertaker fan anyways.
March 15th, 2022 at 10:52 AM ^
LOL!!! Well played. Gave you your point back for this!
One of the best minds the business has ever seen. Also, His Summerslam ladder match against Shawn Michaels was one of the greatest matches in the history of pro wrestling. The dude was incredible!
I know he's been in a bad shape for a while but still a loss too early for the wrestling community.
RIP Bad Guy. I had a lot of fun watching wrestling with buddies back in the day. Grew up in the 80's and 90's from Hogan and Andre to Flair and the Horseman to Taker, Austin, and NWO Hall and Nash... Some buddies got me back into it in the mid 90's as a young adult and we got the ppv's and wrestling became fun again with NWO.
The Fake Wrestling Comments always crack me up as it's entertainment and always has been. Those guys aren't doing their job with body slams, drop kicks and what not, that is the athletic side. They are doing their job when you start rooting and have an interest in a story line and you suspend your belief to watch for the outcome. Which is absolutely no different than when you watch anything else on a screen that isn't sports.
Fully agree.
When people bag on wrestling and then tell me they are off to watch a TV show, I always ask them, "how's that any different?" It's scripted entertainment.
And it is incredibly, incredibly physically demanding. Those dudes put their bodies through hell. My current idol (lol) Jim Cornette equates a hard body slam to getting into a minor car accident. It's just like football players who smash into each other non-stop; those rings basically have zero give. It's a tough, tough profession.
I'll preface this by saying that I'm not a wrestling hater. I was big into wrestling for a few years when I was a kid, and I don't begrudge anyone that likes it. But my interest dwindled due to stale storylines, abrupt turns, angles dropped and treated as if they never happened, etc., and the final nail in the coffin was the realization that it was all fake anyway. So I can speak from experience on many of the reasons people who don't like wrestling feel that way.
When people bag on wrestling and then tell me they are off to watch a TV show, I always ask them, "how's that any different?" It's scripted entertainment.
I agree to a large extent, but I would add that just like most forms of scripted entertainment (tv shows, movie and book series, comics, etc.) that go on long enough, the storylines get stale. Wrestling was no different than any number of tv shows I watched and then eventually fell away from (Simpsons, Family Guy, Scrubs, etc.), the storylines eventually got boring. So it seems that for most people, their wrestling fandom (if they ever had any) comes with an expiration date. And that's if the storylines hooked you in the first place. I was incredibly lucky to be a fan in the nWo era, which I would agree with other posters was the best angle in wrestling history. But the angles that came after couldn't hold a torch to that, and I'm not sure if I would have liked them much better even if I came later. I.e. it's not just that they were stale, but they were bad angles. I can suspend my disbelief more than most, there are plenty of movies I like that most people think are trash, etc., and even I couldn't get behind those storylines.
As an aside, I remember a thread here years and years ago defending the plot of a superhero movie with the justification that the plot came directly from a story arc from the comics. And I thought to myself, I don't care if it came from the comics or not, it doesn't change the fact that it's IMO a bad, stale storyline.
Another issue with the "it's just scripted entertainment" argument is that by and large, sports are the domain of the unscripted. Yes, there have been sports based shows, like Friday Night Lights, Coach, etc., but in those shows the games occupied a relatively small portion of the episodes, with outside stuff taking up the majority. There have been some movies with more game action, but by and large those are one-offs. I doubt many people would watch a series where the majority of the episodes were scripted football, basketball, etc. games. Why watch a scripted game when you can watch the real thing? So I do think that hurts interest, the realization that wrestling is fake, because it's part of a class of things (sports) that you expect to be unscripted.
Such as mature and reasoned response to why someone might not find wrestling/something/anything interesting anymore. I don't think the fact that it is scripted is the reason for any decline as WWE posted record profits last year. IMO wrestling's biggest problem is that very few of the wrestlers want to be true heels and/or today's woke culture doesn't allow those wrestlers to push the boundaries to get heat from the crowd. Imagine the blowback if a wrestling company introduced a heel Russian character the way they would have in the 80's. The uproar would be crazy, even from the fans themselves.
The problem with lifelong fans such as myself is that we can have a sort of Stockholm Syndrome situation where we either hope it someday gets better or nostalgia won't let us leave entirely. Hell, those are the reasons I'll be in Dallas for Wrestlemania weekend for the environment it creates even though I am undecided on going to the show itself.
I noticed that a lot of people get upset because comedy videos on the internet are staged. I wonder what kind of magical world these people live in where contrived series of events constantly lead to hilarious circumstances or where everyone has lightning fast wit and impeccable comedic timing.
March 15th, 2022 at 11:34 AM ^
Why just yesterday, I stepped over a puddle to prevent my new shoes from getting wet and landed in a large pothole. Like usual, all of my neighbors were out walking their dogs at the same time and they all laughed and one said, "Watch out for that first step, it's a doozy." I laughed, and went on my way. Later on when I told my wife and kids at the dinner table, they all laughed and said, " another example of Dad being Dad". Then we played Jenga and I got the kids ready for bed.
Pretty typical day really. You're saying this is unique?
Ned? Ned Ryerson? "Needlenose Ned"? "Ned the Head"? Case Western High? You did the whistling bellybutton trick at the high school talent show? You got the shingles real bad, almost didn’t graduate? Is that you? Am I right? Or am I right, right, right, right?
March 15th, 2022 at 11:53 AM ^
To me big time wrestling was a direct conflict with boxing back in the day, Boxing was in it heyday at the same time with historic title fights seemingly every month (Boxing sucks now). These wrestlers were great athletes and entertainers and pushed the limits, but my PPV money was on Hagler vs Hearns, not Hulk vs SGT. Slaughter. In hindsight I was wrong to compare the two, but I was 20 years old...so live and learn I guess.