MBB AP & Coaches Polls Feb-15
UM #3
OSU #4
Illinois #5
Iowa #11
Wisconsin #21
UM #3
OSU #4
Illinois #5
Iowa #14
Wisconsin #21
February 15th, 2021 at 1:39 PM ^
Wisconsin not falling in the rankings after a loss at home to Michigan shows a lot of respect for the quality loss that it was for the dirty Badgers!
February 15th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^
Badgers are just skunks with different make-up and smaller anal glands.
February 15th, 2021 at 11:46 PM ^
Not sure I want to hear what you think of Wolverines.
February 15th, 2021 at 1:47 PM ^
NCAA Net Rankings through Feb-14
UM #3
Illinois #4
OSU #7
Iowa #8
Wisconsin #18
Purdue #27
Rutgers #30
Maryland #36
Penn St #39
Indiana #51
Minnesota #53
KenPom Rankings through Feb-14
UM #3
Iowa #4
Illinois #5
OSU #7
Wisconsin #13
Purdue #22
Rutgers #26
Indiana #29
Maryland #35
Penn St #37
Minnesota #40
February 15th, 2021 at 2:04 PM ^
Something is missing on that list but can't figure out. Oh well. Guess it can't be that important.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:29 PM ^
"I get paid a lot of money. . . to lose several games by 30+ points"
February 15th, 2021 at 2:04 PM ^
Good Lord. 11 tourney quality teams. That is just insane.
February 15th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^
and B1G might not get all 11 in!
February 15th, 2021 at 3:25 PM ^
No way IU and Minny are in at this point. Remember, they don't take the top 68 teams in NET rankings. There are around 30 conference auto-bids and at least half of them are not in the top 68. That means only the top 30 to 35 at large teams get in.
February 15th, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^
Check your math. Even with 30 conference title bids that leaves 38 at large. I would bet at least 5 of those are in the the top 40, which would free up room for Minny. I do doubt they will send 11 from one conference though.
February 15th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^
I like Kenpom, but if his formula has a 7-10 (4-9) PSU team that just lost at home to Nebraska considered tourney-caliber, I don't know. PSU's "strength" is not getting blown out when they lose.
KP also has an 8-8 Duke team #34. Maybe there needs to be some kind of Covid adjustment to the formula this season?
February 15th, 2021 at 10:00 PM ^
Kenpom is a predictive measure. If the ranking means Penn St. likely beats most other conferences middle-to-top teams then they likely belong in the 30s. They just struggle with some of the best teams in the country and yea, not getting blown out maybe isn't a great thing to write home about but it is an interesting notion.
February 15th, 2021 at 11:34 PM ^
They just struggle with some of the best teams in the country
PSU just lost to MSU and Nebraska this week. They're not a good team.
February 15th, 2021 at 2:06 PM ^
Thank you for posting these.
FWIW I might it mildly amusing that each week during basketball season there is always a post created for the rankings nobody uses for seeding in the tourney (AP, Coaches) immediately after they are published but nobody ever creates a thread to discuss the two that are actually used (Net Rankings and KenPom).
February 15th, 2021 at 4:02 PM ^
What's even more amusing is that this board will then argue about the results of the two polls that don't matter and don't mean anything.
February 15th, 2021 at 4:42 PM ^
Exactly - and that's what makes me laugh.
It's like if my 86 year old Aunt Edna decided for some reason to publish her "top 10 best ice cream flavors" each Monday afternoon and someone here heard about it so every Monday we had a thread where we could argue if Strawberry should remain in the top 10 and the absolute unfairness of Butter Pecan being left out...AGAIN!!!!
February 15th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
I agree Net and KP are more relevant, and we all appreciate you just signed up for this. Can't wait til next Monday.
Thanks! ?
February 15th, 2021 at 3:23 PM ^
So NET rankings have Illinois over OSU...ok, I can deal with that.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:30 PM ^
Fuck Ohio
February 15th, 2021 at 2:10 PM ^
7 Big12 teams in the coaches poll is too many. That conference is becoming the new SEC of overrated teams. We have 11 teams in the top 53 in both of Kenpom and Net and they have 7 yet all of their 7 are in the top 25?
February 15th, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^
Kansas especially has NO business being ranked. Purely based on history.
February 15th, 2021 at 2:42 PM ^
Exactly. They were and are way overrated. I’ve actually watched them several times and I don’t think they are very good. Oklahoma St is getting the conference boost as well. We constantly get teams ranked around 23-25 and one loss, even to a really good top 25 team and they get unranked.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:31 PM ^
Kansas might be overrated (and poorly coached) but Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, WVU and TTU are all VERY good teams.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:40 PM ^
And I have no problem with any of those 5 teams, it’s the other 2 I don’t think need to be ranked. If they do, the Bigten needs at least 3 more in the top 25.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^
Hilarious that the ACC could end up with only 2 teams in the tourney. Louisville and Va Tech at 33 and 34 are going to be very close to the bubble. UVA and FSU are the only 2 in for sure.
It wasn't too many years ago that the ACC was arguably the best conf.
Also, barring a conference tourney upset, the PAC12 will only have 2 teams.
February 15th, 2021 at 4:14 PM ^
Va Tech should be a shoe-in for the tourney with an overall record of 14-4 and being 3rd in the ACC. They are 7-4 in Q1 and Q2 games with marquee wins over Villanova and UVA. They technically have no bad losses according to the NET rankings, zero Q3 or Q4 losses, though I would argue their loss to Pitt was pretty bad. At this point they are pushing the 5- or 6-seed line.
February 15th, 2021 at 7:48 PM ^
Penn State beat them by 20-I believe at VT.
Otherwise, those high-flying Big 12 and SEC teams look a lot prettier than they are good. The solid play of the middle of the B1G will routinely throttle those pretty boys at the top of those two conferences. Those team may be making some progress in this regard yet they remain what they are-very athletic teams who don't know how to play the game very well.
February 15th, 2021 at 10:12 PM ^
Yes, but a drop against Penn State is a Q2 loss; that is not a relatively 'ugly' loss. That loss was also early on in the season, as was their win over 'Nova. However, they've won lots of games in a good Bball conference, beaten a top-10 team in UVA, and have other Q1 wins in conference. Va Tech is a definite NCAA tournament team atm.
February 15th, 2021 at 3:10 PM ^
What were the betting odds that duke and Michigan state were going to be in the championship game......of the nit!
February 15th, 2021 at 4:17 PM ^
I don’t think state is going to make it into that tournament
February 15th, 2021 at 4:20 PM ^
There's no way I put money on this year's MSU team advancing in the NIT.
February 15th, 2021 at 6:07 PM ^
Will there even BE an NIT???
February 15th, 2021 at 6:16 PM ^
Yes there is a NIT. All teams will bubble in NY for it
February 15th, 2021 at 3:19 PM ^
HAIL!
February 15th, 2021 at 6:16 PM ^
In the aftermath of the Pause, I'm not unhappy our schedule is back loaded. The upcoming games should fully prepare the team for anything the NCAA tournament has to offer. Let's get the juggernaut back up to speed!
February 15th, 2021 at 8:14 PM ^
Unfortunately that is not how things generally play out. I do not see things boding well for Michigan if the conference insists upon cramming all the postponed games into a make-up schedule-especially if the also insist upon playing the conference tourney. That is how college kids get mentally and physically fatigued and underperform-or worse yet, get injured.
February 15th, 2021 at 6:28 PM ^
What would Gonzaga's record be every year if they played in the B1G?
February 15th, 2021 at 7:53 PM ^
I think they need to join the PAC 12 in basketball. Hell, they would dominate that as well but at least they would play a few teams that were decent to fairly good.
February 15th, 2021 at 8:24 PM ^
Huge game coming up on Sunday. If Michigan wins, they have a case to move into the top 2.
February 15th, 2021 at 9:57 PM ^
Have to beat Rutgers first
February 16th, 2021 at 7:35 AM ^
No chance unless one of Gonzaga or Baylor lose.
February 16th, 2021 at 8:16 AM ^
Baylor is really strong but I'd like to see their record with more than an Illinois win. They need to face a great long defense like a team I'm familiar with.
February 16th, 2021 at 10:24 AM ^
I'm on the 'every conference is overated except the B1G' train. I don't know how you can rank teams on a nationwide basis when there has been virtually no inter-conference play for 2 months. Do I think Baylor and Gonzaga are good? Sure, but they would have losses if they played Northwestern's schedule. To paints an extreme example, MSU would look pretty good if they played high school teams. Not only is the B1G (by far) the best conference in the nation, they may be one of the best conferences in the history of the sport.
When it comes time to fill out a NCAA pool, I am leaning on B1G teams.