Moving on-the bowl
Saturday sucked. We have much work to do. However I seem to be in the minority of people who really care about our bowl game. I’ve seen a lot of comments about the bowl doesn’t matter. I think it matters a lot. When we dismantled Florida in the first year I was probably at my peak excitement level. I thought we were positioned to be launching towards elite and would not look back. After the bitter loss to OSU, we came out flat against Florida State to end the year with a thud. 1-3 in the last 4 games. Same thing last year. Last year was awful with the qb situation, but we all thought a month to prepare Peters would give us an easy win against a mediocre South Carolina team to finish 9-4. Didn’t happen.
This team has to make the bowl game their Super Bowl. We crapped the bed vs OSU and now they need to decide if they are going to roll over or make a statement. To me it will show a lot about Harbaugh and our future. Beat Washington in the Rose Bowl or Florida in the Peach to finish 11-2. We’ve only won 11 games a handful of times in the past few decades. I just think there is a lot to play for in that game still.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^
I'll always watch Michigan football, but my expectations for this year's bowl game will be based on who stays and plays and who leaves early. If we get a mass exodus (Gary, Bush, Shea, etc) , I won't have high hopes on the outcome. Although, motivated returning players might focus the team.
Anyway, would Dylan be back and healthy for a bowl game?
November 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
Man I would love it if McCaffrey is able to play in the bowl game. I know Harbaugh said he's probably out for the year, but maybe he was mostly referring to regular season? I believe I also read somewhere (maybe here) that unfortunately McCaffrey did need surgery, and that that would add to the return timeline. Anyway, anyone have any updates on our heir apparent? Jan 1st would put Dylan at 8 weeks or so post-injury.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:45 PM ^
Agree. They were inexcusably flat for SC last year, and it was the first time I really questioned Harbaugh. I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I would be more unhappy to drop the bowl game than I was with Saturday. Or--to put this more accurately--I can accept Saturday, but another unprepared and outclassed loss really does make me question what Harbaugh is up to. And if anyone thinks the Finebaums of this world are baying now, look forward to endless offseason speculation about Harbaugh and his success if we drop the bowl, too.
Drop the bowl and this season won't feel that much different from last year anyway. Because it's pretty clear now that the B1G has been down this year.
I'm not one of the people who thinks Harbaugh has to win every game; I believe OSU has substantial advantages that we may not often match. But uninspired games coupled with a boring offense could begin to lose the school its audience. Given how much hope he started with that would be a tragedy. Wouldn't give him much trajectory for a return to the NFL anyway.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:47 PM ^
Considering Michigan's bowl record since Jan.1, 1970 is a sparkling 17-25, it's more likely than not that "moving on the bowl" will be an accurate description of how we'll play—another disjointed, disinterested effort like last season's embarrassing crapfest loss to the Gamecocks.
November 26th, 2018 at 9:18 PM ^
I'm surprised it's not worse than that.
Considering we did not win one through the entire '70s, I can't even think of 17 bowl wins from 1980 until now.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^
I’ve never seen a more uninspired Michigan team than the one that played last year’s bowl game.
A whole month to prepare for the game and to fall so flat on your face to end the season.
This bowl game is big. 1-3 in bowls wouldn’t be so hot paired up with 2-7 against our rivals.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^
I've followed pretty much every Michigan game for the last 20 years. That Outback Bowl was the most horrendous choke job, in terms of turning a likely win into an embarrassing loss, that I have ever seen from this program.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
Agreed. That USC game was a wet fart worthy of much derision. The fact that Michigan was the only B1G loss that bowl season doesn’t get brought up as much as you would think.
Harbaugh has improved this program immensely, but he’s definitely given his haters a bunch of fuel.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:59 PM ^
Good grief guys, Michigan lined up with it #2,3,5, 7,and 9th best o-linemen with two playing out of positioin and with only two days to prepare. Once USC figured out our offensive limitations it got real difficult. A loss is a loss but it is nothing to be embarassed about. One less turnover and we win with our third string QB.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^
Nice try apologist. That doesn't let our defense off the hook. They allowed a 16 point 2nd half lead to evaporate.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
Off-topic: have ads becomes completely out of control for anyone else on mobile? It's basically an ad every 2-3 posts for me. This shit is ridiculous.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^
"It's basically an ad every 2-3 posts for me. This shit is ridiculous."
Yep. Which is why I've basically stopped bothering to go to the site on my phone. It's not worth it.
November 26th, 2018 at 7:30 PM ^
Not an advertisement: try out the Brave browser in the Google play store. Has a built in ad blocker, I think it works really well.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
I'll watch. Will be interested to see how the team responds. Of course, always opens up the possibility we see a redux of the 08 capital one bowl and all collectively scream "where was that?" on the offensive side of the ball.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:50 PM ^
I agree with the OP. A bowl win over a quality opponent would erase some of Saturday's taste in everyone's mouths. It would be a win in a "big game." And it would set Michigan up well to open next season probably in or near the top ten.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
"It would be a win in a big game". Refresh my memory on the last time that happened. Maybe our definition of a big game are two different things. UM won some must win games to have a shot in their biggest game of the season and we see what happened there.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:55 PM ^
"Win the game"
Big Mitch
November 26th, 2018 at 4:55 PM ^
I just hope we don't play Florida or UCF. If it's Florida, it just feels really stale because we would've been matched up with them for the third time in four years. With UCF, that is a game where we have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Winning streak or not, that is still a G5 team with lesser talent and now a backup QB. Lose to them and you'd never hear the end of it. Beat them and it's "congratulations, you beat a G5 team, who cares?"
LSU would be interesting, and the defense I'm sure would welcome a chance to go against a very vanilla offense. That being said, I'd love to see this team in the Rose Bowl against, I presume, Washington. Chris Petersen is a great coach to go against, and come on, it's the frickin' Rose Bowl. If you're not going to the CFP, the Rose Bowl is the next best thing.
Although I don't think it will happen, playing Georgia would be very interesting. Most have them slotted in the Sugar Bowl against Oklahoma.
November 26th, 2018 at 4:58 PM ^
When was the last time post bowl UM finished in the top 7ish? Over 20 years?
It’s important. They will get a good bowl against a good team with a chance to polish last Saturday’s turd, finish in maybe the top 5 to end the year and on a high note in a premier game.
Only 1 team wins the NC and only 4 get to the playoff so the bowls are still important. Less than we’d like but I think it does matter this year, specifically even more.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^
We can beat Florida or LSU, but we would likely get creamed by Washington or especially Washington St.
This is because neither Florida nor LSU are going to spread us out and throw a lot. Both of the Pac 12 teams will follow OSU's exact game plan, and likely have similar results.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:01 PM ^
I would prefer not to play Washington or Utah. We've already seen Utah twice in the last 5 years and we have the home and home with Washington in 20/21. Part of the fun of bowl season is seeing unique matchups that don't happen often.
I hope we get LSU. We've never played them before which is pretty surprising given the number of SEC and Big Ten bowl tie ins.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:08 PM ^
It'd be nice to get some revenge on Utah
Start the Revenge tour back up again!!
Too soon?
November 26th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^
I honestly don't care how this team plays in the bowl game. I think from where this team came from last year is reason to be happy with the season already. I know they obviously want to win but unless it's the Rose Bowl or another big one, is it worth gettin upset about if you lose.?This team is turning a corner and just needs to keep getting better and better every day to have a hell of a run next year. The schedule is in their favor next year and there are a ton of returning starters on offense and Don Brown will have defense playing well too. This years bowl preparation is just a part of getting a damn good team ready for 2019. These young men need to attack this offseason now with a focus and determination that's on another level from last year. They need to find it mentally and embrace it. It can be achieved because you know it's done all the time when these guys get to the NFL. Their training and physical abilities are taken to another level.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^
We'll all find out Sunday, right?
November 26th, 2018 at 5:14 PM ^
Will watch regardless of the bowl...
While the Rose Bowl doesn't mean what it used to, it's still a great, great venue - and Washington is no gimme, especially since we don't know which NFL departees will choose not to play. I will watch the parade and all the New Year's Day bowl games. If we play well in one of them I will be happier but not content with our coaching decisions in big games.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:29 PM ^
One week ago many of us were talking that we deserved to play ND, Clemson and Alabama. Losing a non CFP bowl game would suck big time. We need to end with a win.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:22 PM ^
Any bowl game is worth watching. Any Michigan football (and college football) is better than none. The off season is long.
I would hope/expect that the players would want one more chance for meaningful snaps as week as a chance to remove the foul taste of last week from their palletes.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^
Im vacationing in New Orleans over New year's. Give me some sugar please
November 26th, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^
I think the bowl game could be very awkward and not our best team. How many key players will opt out because they can't risk injury prior to the NFL combine?
November 26th, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^
"When we dismantled Florida in the first year I was probably at my peak excitement level. I thought we were positioned to be launching towards elite and would not look back."
And how'd that work out?
November 26th, 2018 at 9:24 PM ^
He looked back.
Then he turned to stone.
And yet he can still defend a crossing pattern better than half of Michigan's secondary.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:36 PM ^
Georgia will be in the Sugar Bowl at worst.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:42 PM ^
November 26th, 2018 at 5:52 PM ^
Michigan versus Cajun Hoke (LSU) or bust!
We've never played those kittens so, yeah. It's time.
But six bucks and Steve Spurrier's right nut says we're playing Floriduh instead.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:53 PM ^
I don't know that I'll care too much about the bowl game, but I sure hope they decide to this year.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
A bowl win would be another tangible sign of a step forward. This program does not have many 11 win seasons. And Rose Bowl wins have been, to put it mildly, dear.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:02 PM ^
If a bowl win is a "tangible sign of a step forward" I guess a win over OSU is a giant leap for mankind. Saturday was a giant leap backwards
November 26th, 2018 at 6:39 PM ^
A win over OSU would be a seismic shift.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
I agree with you: I love bowl games.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:56 PM ^
Anybody but Oklahoma. That team would do terrible things to us. Don't need to be fucked while we're still down.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:03 PM ^
True! They would put up 62 before halftime.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:03 PM ^
+1 to that. I can't imagine what their offense would do to us. I mean, they've done it to everyone else already, but we don't have the firepower and red zone efficiency to get into a shootout with them. Murray would go crazy Tecmo Bowl on us.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:19 PM ^
Michigan will do terrible things to their defense.
Michigan at least has a hope for a stop.
November 26th, 2018 at 7:06 PM ^
This game made me totally re-evaluate my conception of the Big 12. Oklahoma probably has a below average defense, but our defensive metrics would be so much worse if we played in that conference. Oklahoma, WV, Texas, TTech, and OKST would all put up 30+ on us.
I think the score against OU would be similar to The Game, at best.
November 26th, 2018 at 8:11 PM ^
This is why Bob Stoops talked so much trash a few years ago to the SEC. The SEC is built on defense. The big 12 is built on offense. The elite big 12 offenses can put up huge numbers on SEC defenses and Stoops knew it. Defense used to win championships, but if you’ve got an offense like Oklahoma you always have a shot. Nick Saban realized this and that is why he brought in Lane Kiffin.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^
I’d love to play Oklahoma. Then we’d see why playing walk-ons in a huge game is dumb for a second time - for everyone still denying it.
November 26th, 2018 at 5:58 PM ^
Whether it’s Utah or Washington in the Rose Bowl, or UCF, Florida or LSU in the Peach Bowl, or Washington State, Washington or LSU in the Fiesta Bowl, or Utah in the Holiday Bowl, I’ll probably watch.
Keep in mind that if UCF beats Memphis in the American Conference championship game AND the CFP Committe doesn't rank LSU, Wahington State and Florida ahead of Michigan tomorrow, then UCF would be the only HIGHER-RANKED team that Michigan will play.
November 26th, 2018 at 6:01 PM ^
I will watch who ever we play... NO MATTER WHAT, GOOOOOOO BLUE!
November 26th, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^
I don't care about a rose bowl that we backed into and used to be for conference champs, or playing Florida again, or any bowl for that matter if it means half the starters sitting out
November 26th, 2018 at 6:20 PM ^
If I had to rank them:
Georgia would be first choice. A chance to redeem ourselves and play against the SECs second best team which would tell us where we are and help recruiting. A win here would make a statement.
Then probably Texas. Another interesting matchup against a team that's possibly on the rise and we go up against in recruiting.
Then LSU. SECs third best team.
Rematch OSU. Means they aren't in the playoff and we get another shot to exorcise demons.
Washington. Matchup against the pac12 champ, but this means OSU is in the playoff.
Oklahoma. This again means OSU is in the playoff.
Wash St. Okay sure I guess.
UCF. Would be very lame but hopefully we could beat them and prevent the UCF undefeated for the 3rd straight year next year.
Florida. Just boring and Harbaugh has already beat them twice in 4 years.