The Snowflake Thread: Coaching

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This will be this evening's thread to discuss issues with the coaching and any issues you may have with the staff in general. 

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bluewoody

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:50 PM ^

Two weeks for that? Ohio will beat us by 142 points. Utter incompetence today. Do we have a ruining back? The lines are a bunch of pussies. I pray for all our lost souls

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graybeaver

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 PM ^

This was not Borges's fault. If any coordinator is to blame it is Mattison. MSU has a mediocre offense and they moved the ball when they needed to. I'm worried about the head coach at Michigan.

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TexasMaizeNBlue

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^

Classic Hoke on the sideline. Clapping his hands to rah-rah his team when they are getting mudstomped with 2 mins to go, without wearing a headset, while wearing a short sleeve shirt during a cold, rainy day. Effing moron.

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buddhafrog

November 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 PM ^

Japanese solution when leadership has failed.

Kill oneself with a sword in the gut.

That's what I would have the coaches do.  Line up at midfield and symbolicly, with imaginary swords, gut themselves.  That would be awesome and we'd then talk about something else that was less stressful than the same old snowflakes we've been bitching about all year BUT KNOW FOR A FACT will not change.

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Franz Schubert

November 2nd, 2013 at 7:29 PM ^

Not looking like a fool. Put on some cold weather/rain gear like every other coach. Is it supposed to make him look tough? The lack of a headset is embarrasing and Michigan has become a laughingstock to most not insulated in your echo-chamber.

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Reader71

November 2nd, 2013 at 10:10 PM ^

Well, if it makes you feel better, I hope he does what you want. I just don't think the HCs appearance to outsiders is very important. The way he coaches technique and scheme and the way he handles players is more important. The way he manages the clock is more important. His tactical approach is more important. His recruiting is more important. His speeches to alumni groups are more important. Almost everything he does is more important than looking the way you want him to look on the sidelines.

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TheSacko221

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^

Stop going for the home run every play. O-line isn't an issue it is the lack of creativity and short routes. Al calls play action with no run threat. He is predictable. Al is the computer in NCAA. He sucks

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Reader71

November 2nd, 2013 at 10:16 PM ^

Its sad though. I started coming here to read pretty damn good analysis, particularly o. The spread offense and 3-3-5 defense, neither of which I knew much about. It was great. The comments were always way better than most forums as well. What happened man? The blog itself never recovered from losing the Coach Rod argument. Brian hated Hoke before he ever saw him coach a game, and has spent every week since saying, "He's good, but..." I like talking football, man. I love a good debate. Debates on here made me appreciate the spread a lot more than I previously had. I'm really appreciative of good stuff. There's just not much of it anymore. There are only so many ways to say, "I'm smarter than the coaches."

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Yeoman

November 2nd, 2013 at 11:58 PM ^

It wasn't just the RR argument. Go back and read the first article on Hoke, when his name came up the first time around, during the search after Carr's retirement.

Hoke represents the single thing that was most disliked around here about Carr. It went under the name of "cronyism": hiring people he knew and was comfortable working with, like Mike DeBord. Discussion of hiring decisions here tends to focus on objective metrics: wins, yards, points. The idea that you could get useful information out of interviews and references was...suspicious, I guess is a good word. And it was the testimony of countless former players and colleagues, not his objective performance, that was the reason Hoke was considered (well, maybe that's too strong a word but you know what I mean) the first time and hired the second time.

In '08 Michigan football was finally free of all that (remember the Wolverine Liberation Army?) and there was much rejoicing on the blog.

And then it wasn't.

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Reader71

November 3rd, 2013 at 1:20 PM ^

Absolutely. But to assume that cronyism will ever die in coaching is the height of idiocy. Your job is on the line. You want to go to war with guys you don't know? Also, do you guys know how many assistants Carr went through? Three defensive coordinators, three (DeBord twice, so really 4) offensive coordinators, adding Loeffler as the passing game specialist to go with Malone as the running game guy. He had a ton of different position coaches, often getting the outgoing guys NFL gigs. Meanwhile, Coach Rod is still with the same crew. He even got Casteel back. That's cronyism. And I'm not even against it in principle, although some decisions are just indefensible. In the end, this blog just wants change. Change is better because obviously. But we should still have reasonable expectations. I hate both of our losses and some of our wins. But this team is about what I expected, knowing this line would stink.

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Yeoman

November 3rd, 2013 at 2:19 PM ^

I'm not one of "those guys"--I'm just describing what was the common thinking on the blog. What they called "cronyism" I called "loyalty". I like it, within limits.

And change is change. Sometimes it's good change, sometimes it's bad change, sometimes it's irrelevant change for the sake of change. I'm in favor of the first kind because change for the better is better because obviously. But blowing things up just so you look like you're doing something is bad management. You figure out what's wrong and you try to fix it; you don't just fire the first guy that happens into your office.

Mostly, I get the impression that the vast majority here, and certainly those on the front page of the blog, haven't ever had any management experience and don't really know what it involves. It's like it's a game of Football Manager, where you're selecting a set of numerical attributes instead of hiring a human being. The idea that the resounding support for Hoke from former players and colleagues was at best irrelevant and at worst a sign of continued cronyism was silly.

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Victors21

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 PM ^

I have been positive and patient with the coaches but enough is enough. Michigan is more talented but what a waste of 2 weeks coaching. Fire funk and Borges.

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AMazinBlue

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:54 PM ^

We gave up too many yards and too many easy plays to MSU.  Cook had all day to throw.  If he was accurate it would have been 50-6.

The oline is terrible, coaching a big reason.  Borges couldn't call a play that would work because the players can't execute.  THAT IS ALL ON THE COACHES.  Hoke can't motivate.  He is too passive we need someone who can teach passion and anger to these guys.  Dantonio gets MSU to HATE michigan on this saturday every year and we can't respond. 

THIS TEAM is SOFT.

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SteelBrad

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:54 PM ^

One thing for sure. MGoBlog please send me to a press conference. The moment I ask a question that is answered with a smart ass reply I will light in to the coach's ass. You all have just given up or not even asked difficult questions.

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NelzQ

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^

I hope that Hoke is smart enough to evaluate this situation correctly and make the necessary adjustments. That is all that I can say right now because I choose to remain positive.

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enlightenedbum

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^

We're worse than last year.  Again.  So that's a concern.

Borges and Funk have to go.  Have we done anything in three years against a good defense that wasn't purely dependent on our QB making an amazing play?

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alwaystrueblue

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^

My son and i each put a score prediction in an envelope an hour before the game. Whoever was closest gets $100 from the other.

 

His prediction....Michigan 31 MSU 13

 

Mine.....MSU 28 Michigan 9.

 

I told him we would not score a TD today and likely will have some really sad offensive numbers when its all done.

As i have said since the UCONN game, this is a very average to below average football team and has no real play-makers on defense and the WORST offensive line i have seen in almost 50 years of watching them.

Hoke has to go.  He is not a big time college football head coach. 

I said it when he was hired, i say it now.

If anyone thinks its going to get better either this year or next.....you are nuts.

 

 

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CompleteLunacy

November 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 PM ^

Is don't give up on this coaching staff.  Honestly I was more upset initially with our D than the O...the only chance M had of winning was getting to an early lead or at least keeping it close. D had a chance to keep it a tie game at half...failed on the last half drive. And then got manhandled again in the second half.

We expected the O to struggle...maybe not to this degree. But still. They had no chance coming from behind.

I may have to take a break from this site for a week.

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