New 2014 Top247
http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGr…
Commits/Targets
Leonard Fournette #2 (no change)
Jabrill Peppers - #3 (up 4)
Dashawn Hand - #5 (down 4)
Joe Mixon - #12 (up 25)
Adoree Jackson - #24 (down 7)
Juju Smith - #30 (down 7)
Malik McDowell #44 (down 15)
Drake Harris #45 (down 7)
Bryan Mone #49 (no change)
Mason Cole #112 (up 3)
Dwight Williams #113 (down 5)
Parrker Westphal #145 (up 30)
Montae Nicholson #158 (up 36)
Michael Ferns #188 (down 8)
Juwann Bushell-Beatty #205 (up 19)
Ian Bunting #224 (up 69)
Lawrence Marshall #231 (down 13)
I'm sure I forgot someone.
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2 QBs moved way up after their performance at Elite 11/The Opening.
David Blough (Purdue Commit, up 375)
Sean White (uncomitted, up 481)
Woops, my bad. Just added him.
that you?
I'll always look at them...but I'll never understand punishing a kid for not going to camps...I know they use the defense of well we just see more kids and have to rerank them.
I'd say outside the top 30 or so kids drops for not going to a camp. Take D Harris for example kid wants to graduate early and can't go to camps and yet he has continually dropped in every update from the services...what changed they said he wasn't a near top 5 talent anymore? His #'s in actual games sure show a different picture.
It is pretty dumb, but I'm sure the analysts will say something like this:
"It's not that he dropped, other guys just moved up."
FWIW, he is still a #4 WR.
Necessarily, at least. If you figure how limited the data points they have to work with -- a limited number of games, an even more limited number of competitive games, an even more limited number of competitve games against fellow BCS/FBS-level prospects -- you just have a greed for more data. And if a guy just keeps on doing well and solidifying a positive impression, that might make him a better bet than a guy who declines to camp, for whatever reason.
The risk is recency bias, of course.
It's completely possible (and likely) that their opinion of him has remained static, but a few other guys have shown through camps that they're better. Thus, they are not "punishing" him.
Think of it like the AP football poll. Let's say Michigan is ranked 23rd and Texas A&M is ranked 24th. That week, Michigan has a bye, and TAMU beats Alabama. Ranking A&M ahead of us the following week doesn't mean the pollsters think we got worse, but they have new reason to think that a team previously behind us is now better.
That's not proof. Hypothetically, their opinion of him may have lowered and it's simply that the people who had been above him had even more significant declines in perception. (More likely, granted, the opinion of him stayed the same while others dropped, but the point being that this is not evidence that "clearly they don't drop kids for not going to camps.")
I feel like Mo Ways has the biggest discrepancy between ranking and what you see on his highlights of any Michigan recruit I can remember. He must drop a lot of passes.
So will this date be known as the, "overreaction to the opening" ranking?
Yes.
According to JC Shurburtt:
"We don't factor in any closed camps we aren't invited to."
They couldn't overreact to the Rivals 5-star challenge.
Lebrawn Fourpand
I must admit something. Lebrawn Fourpand does not exist.
However, according to Peppers, he will.
We felt after seeing the other guys at The Opening, then seeing what we have seen in Peppers that he's the No. 3 prospect in the country and the best outside of Fournette and Robinson. I think if he had a position, he would be in the discussion for No. 1 overall.I don't understand this logic either.
Who is this 'Cameron Robinson' and why is Jabrill Peppers not recruiting him?
Do not want
This is obviously a sign that Peppers is only a soft verbal to UM. He could de-commit at anytime.
/s
That is how rumors start. The /s means nothing. Nothing.
where is he?
According to 247's Composite ranking, he's the #368 player in the country.
for the update. Is Speight perceived as an under achiever or did we make a mistake with this prospect? Or do you feel he has the potential to shock a lot of people when he hits the campus?
but I believe the staff had a long look at Speight, David Cornwell (#47 comp), and Michael O'Connor (#252 comp) and decided that Speight was best. Reportedly Cornwell was a bit upset about not getting the offer. The coaches definitely didn't take Speight as a flier. He was the QB offer and Speight took it, he got about as high a vote of confidence from the coaches as I think you could really expect to have. I would guess he's going to out-perform his ranking
i don't know that they decided Speight was best. i think they decided that he was the best fit for their current situation.
I seem to remember seeing somewhere that they were high on all those guys and that Speight was the one who was willing to commit early, which the coaches wanted. I get the feeling that nowadays the coaches are looking for not only a solid QB on the field, but also a guy who can take charge and have a big role in the recruiting process which entails an early commitment.
I'm not in a position to say whether the coaches made a "mistake" with Speight. Virtually everyone thinks David Cornwell is a better physical talent. The coaches obviously thought Speight was the better guy to offer, but I don't know if that's because of his physical talent, mental acuity, leadership qualities, the likelihood of him committing to Michigan early, etc.
There's always the chance that the coaches found a sleeper and that Speight will have a great college career, but he's a 3-star to everyone but ESPN and was passed up for the Elite 11 championships. The other Rivals 3-stars brought in by Michigan over the last decade or so are Russell Bellomy, Justin Feagin, David Cone, and Jason Forcier.
Cornwell is basically a 2013 recruit who reclassified to 2014 right? Do you think that had anything to do with the coaches decision?
There was some question about whether Cornwell would be eligible to play in 2013. He might have had to sit out the 2013 season, so I think that might have been an issue. He wasn't declared eligible until a few weeks ago.
I like the description for guys ranked in the 101-110 range, defining the ranking as "Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has "can’t miss" talent.". However, they have 2 this year, had one in 2013, 2 in 2011.