Hello: Johns Hopkins?
Inside Lacrosse is reporting that Johns Hopkins will joining the Big Ten for Men's and Women's Lacrosse. The Women's team will start in 2014 and the Men's will start in 2015. Details aren't known, but look for an announcement tomorrow (Monday).
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We are gonna get worked in lacrosse for the next few years. But this will make Michigan an even more appealing destination for east coast lacrosse players because they can play premiere schools 3 or 4 times a year now.
Wasn't this already posted?
Is it to express their displeasure with the move? I was the guy who put up the last one, and there weren't any hard details, so I am grateful for this hard info.
and Sloan Kettering. And they were blazing that shit up every day.
any relation to Anthony Hopkins?
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As an alumnus of Hopkins, I am very excited about this. Our alumni base is very mixed on this issue, however. The long tradition of independence is not parted with so easily by many. (yes, there are those who recently have been referring to Hopkins as the Notre Dame of lax - for a lack of return to championship weekend for too long.)
I think this is a great move for both sides. Hopkins needed to join a small league so that it could maintain its traditional rivalries (of course, the longest is with Maryland - remember the Michigan OSU hundreth game? Hopkins and Maryland did the same thing a few years before) While the B1G is not the strongest league, it does have enough quality programs to provide good Strength of Schedule through the conference tournament.
SOS is even more important than the AQ. Lax uses a godawful tournament selection process (no KRACH in lax) relying heavily on SOS. So since Hopkins's opponents had not great years this year, a 9-5 Hopkins team did not make the tournament (unheard of as little as 2 years ago - Hopkins with a winning record would have been a lock)
With two AQs with losing records making the tournament this year, it is clear that a team needs every chance it can get to make the tournament.
I have to say that the biggest thing I am excited about is my Jays coming to town every two years!
This would seem to make the b1g lax conference ready to go in 2015. There would have been a lot of pressure from the lax playing schools to make this happen. Perhaps a b1g - acc lax challenge in the future?
I love lamp. Dude really.
Thank God this is happening since another member of the ECAC has jumped off the ship. Denver, who made the Final 4 this year.
With everything you said.
decisions? They will probably be in on the lacrosse decisions.
I hate the idea of partial B1G members, too reminiscient of the Big East ... or whatever that has become.
Edit: Lol that this was marked 'Offtopic' when I'm clearly talking about Johns Hopkins joining the Big Ten.
I hate the idea of a team only being in the conference for one sport. You are either in the conference or you or not. This is a terrible precedent.
as a one sport member than Rutgers as an all sports member. John Hopkins is the king of lacrosse and hopefully brings research dollars to the CIC. I'm completely fine with this move.
hopefully Michigan will start fielding decent teams in the near future - we lose quite a few close games last year so hopefully going .500 isn't too far off.
I guess we need more money. Good add from a strictly lacrosse point of view, troubling as to the identity of the conference.
this is probably the only time this would be a good move. They are joining for "all" sports they field, are strong academically, and actually are in the same geography as the schools which will be in the footprint, and of course bring research and set us up well if (when) Virginia and UNC join the conference.
Why wouldn't Duke come to the B1G with NC, as well?
and feel you raise some good points, but as far as viewership goes, doesn't Maryland already attract the DC market? Isn't the DC market the big draw in Virginia? Yes, Virgina is a great academic school, but what do they bring to the table sportswise?
I can see your argument against Duke (and that makes sense), but I don't see one FOR Virgina, assuming the DC market is already ours.
Outside of DC, I wonder if VA has enough viewers to earn their share of the TV money. I would be interested in those numbers if I could find them.
I like the idea of adding the Duke/NC rivalry to the B1G, but understand the point of those two schools already sharing the same market. I wonder how much Duke would be worth to the conference, assuming they already pull in NC.
I would agree with you regarding VA. Great school, but where's the value? If I had to choose between them and Rutgers or Maryland, I would take them in a second, but at least Maryland brought a market. I still wonder about Rutgers.
Frankly, I don't know if the DC cable providers have agreed to put BTN on their basic tier or not. If they and the Northern Virginia providers have, then the UVA argument gets much weaker. Maybe it's the snob in me, but UVA has cachet that Maryland and Rutgers will never have, regardless of how many TV sets they bring in.
For what it's worth, I don't want any other schools in the Big 10. I would like 10 schools and a nine game league schedule. We can dump Penn State and its scandal-ridden carcass to the wolves for all I care. Nebraska is a great addition, but I don't have any passion for them and would rather play Iowa every year.
"For what it's worth, I don't want any other schools in the Big 10. I would like 10 schools and a nine game league schedule. We can dump Penn State and its scandal-ridden carcass to the wolves for all I care."
But am very happy with Nebraska. I feel like there is already a rivalry budding with them and the rest of the conference, including us. I would LOVE to keep the original 10 (no, not Chicago), but trade out Purdue for Nebraska. If we did that and went to a nine game schedule, well, that would be close to perfection.
Johns Hopkins will join the B1G in every Division I sport it plays, just like every other member of the B1G. It just happens that Johns Hopkins only plays one single sport - lacrosse - at the Division I level.
For the B1G, I think this is a no-brainer decision. In 2015, the B1G will have five lacrosse members (Maryland, Michigan, OSU, Penn State, and Rutgers) - but needs six to get an automatic qualifier berth in the NCAA Tournament. Increasingly, AQ is the primary - and only practical - means of getting into that Tournament. Hopkins itself saw its 41-year consecutive of NCAA tournament apperances snapped when AQ teams with worse records crowded independent Hopkins out. In order to give B1G lacrosse players ready access to the NCAA lacrosse tournament via the B1G, a sixth team is needed.
Pushing up a sixth B1G team before they were ready isn't a good idea for many reasons. The B1G won't (and shouldn't) add institutions unless that institution is willing to commit all of its Division I teams to the B1G - but again, this is a requirement Hopkins is able to fullfill. And if you're going to add a sixth lacrosse team, you might as well add one of the most storied, most historically successful teams in college lacrosse history.
I would imagine Hopkins' governing and involvement would be completely limited to lacrosse. As to revenue sharing and other financial impacts - lacrosse isn't even a rounding error, compared to football or basketball. The numbers and sums are so small, pretty much nobody is going to notice except the lacrosse players themselves, who will benefit tremendously from AQ access and superior competition.
Basically, adding Hopkins is good for Michgan lacrosse players, won't bother anyone else at Michigan, and so overall, it seems to me a win.
It's a big If, but if the conference is willing to add a partial member, what about Johns Hopkins hockey?
The biggest issue for expansion so far has been rural areas like Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Nebraska not having a rink that can be used for D1 hockey. Now that we add a school in a bigger city, if they can find a rink that will take them they won't need $88 million dollars to start a program. Kind of like DePaul having D-1 basketball that plays at Allstate.
The rules that govern a school's membership in a particular division don't allow for splitting your sports into more than one division unless you have a historical sport that is worth D-I membership. Like Hopkins lacrosse. Otherwise it's all or nothing.
Well, to be the best you gotta beat the best.
Now that it seems there is a six team B1G Lacrosse conference on the horizon, does this add any impetus for other B1G schools to add lacrosse? Now that the conference has a bigger presence, lacrosse wise, on the East Coast, is there more reason for Illinois or Minnesota or hopefully Sparty, to add Lacrosse as a D1 sport?
The reason why I could see MSU adding lacrosse, is because they had a program before. The Spartans had varsity lacrosse but lost their program in 1997 in compliance with Title XI.
It could start to gain ground in EL, and we all know how Mark Hollis feels when Michigan does something nice.