Rivals/Scouts rankings from Elite 11
Yes, I know this topic is overplayed. I just thought it was interesting how much the rankings varied per service.
Rivals ranked Shane 4th out of 25.
4. Shane Morris, Warren (Mich.) De La Salle: Morris is at the top because of his high ceiling. He has great size, a cannon of an arm and he has started to show the ability to put more touch on his ball. His long ball didn't sail like it has in the past and no one can sling it where it needs to be faster. The interesting thing about Morris is that while he's learning to drop the ball into spots rather than zip it all the time and learning to throw across his body more, he becomes more impressive. He's no longer just a kid with a hose for an arm, he's becoming a complete quarterback.
Scout ranked Shane 1st out of 25
1. Shane Morris (Michigan) (HD Video)
The biggest arm at the camp, Morris shook off a rough outing on his first day to steadily improve each week. Morris is capable of making throws that only a few in this class can hope to match. Needs to develop better field vision and consistency.
Trent Dilfers Elite 11 and what Rivals/Scout ranked them (as listed per ESPN)
Asiantti Woulard (USF) - Rivals (1), Scout (3)
Max Browne (USC) - Rivals (3), Scout (4)
Christian Hackenberg (PSU) - Rivals (2), Scout (10)
Kevin Olsen (Miami) - Rivals (6), Scout (2)
Joshua Dobbs (ASU) - Rivals (13), Scout (9)
Johnny Stanton (NEB) - Rivals (22), Scout (Bot 5)
Malik Zaire (ND) - Rivals (7) , Scout (12)
Shane Cockerville (MD) - Rivals (12), Scout (16)
Jared Goff (CAL) - Rivals (9) , Scout (5)
Luke Del Rio (OKST) - Rivals (17), Scout (18)
Zack Greenlee (none) - Rivals (24), Scout (Bot 5)
I thought having a "hose for an arm" was an NCAA violation?
She Said
I've read the "hello: ross douglas" post a dozen times just for that.
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It also comes with HD Video of Morris' throws.
Based off the Scout video Shane did not look that great IMHO, a lot of sailed throws, check downs, and dropped balls (not his fault)... Not bad or anything but based on those highlights alone I can see why there were mixed reviews
tbone13 is obviously Trent Dilfer.
I agree 100%. I thought Shane tried to force the ball in too many times and didn't make some throws that he should've. He did show off that hose for an arm though. I don't understand how scout put him ahead of Olsen after watching his video (performed noticeably better). Nonetheless, Shane continues to display how high his ceiling is, which is really all that matters
Thanks a lot!
Shane's supposed "inability" in the classroom is the only thing that I can think of that woud have kept him off from Dillweeds Elite11 list. I am not too concerned if this is actually the case, but if it is I highly doubt him starting as a true freshman(which may have been a stretch in the first place)
From reading other sights.....it seems that shanes problem was having the arm to make throws instead of taking the safeway out or the checkdown. To fully understand the elite 11 just look at it as a "play QB like Trent Dilfer" type of camp where the whole purpose is to not make a mistake or take a chance.
This is why the recruitment of Treadwell is so huge... can you imagine the Morris to Treadwell combination. It would be unstoppable.
So they reward kids for being a wuss?
Trent Dilfer's Advice: only make conservative passes and join a team with Ray Lewis
Shit just got real...
Imagine what he can do when he's working with Gorgeous Borges everyday...
to the picture of Higgins. The NSFMSRK rule likely will rule that your avatar is void.
Actually, that's why he changes it. The Higgins picture actually had a number of topless women cruising around the lake, you just had to look closely.
It will be interesting to see Shane's impact not on only the 2013 class but the 2-3 classes after. He's done one helluva job recruiting, creating contacts for this class, but the contacts he's made at camps with younger athletes could provide more than we know yet! Future=bright and stuff.
Go Shane Morris. Go Blue. and fergodsakes Go America.
I'm thinking that he;s not allowed to talk to recruits once he's enrolled, or signs a LOI.
This is true - once he signs an LOI. However, he can talk to them when they're visiting.
The way he can recruit when he's on campus is by winning a bunch of games and making us look as appealing as possible.
There's no rule against friends talking. Plus, even if they dont talk, they know him now and probably know if they would/would not like to play with him. Seems to be working well so far...
amen
Sam's gut feeling was that perhaps that was one (main) reason Shane was not included in the Elite 11 as he did quite well for all the camp days.
Looking back, he must have anticipated Penn State penalty and started texting Ross Douglas.
One of the interviews he did, he looked exhausted. He definitely does not live the life of an average 17 year old.
Hey you try listening to Trent Dilfer talk about checkdowns and Fresno State for hours at a time!
I really hope Woulard sticks with USF. He already de-committed once, checked out other schools, then recommitted. He should know what is out there by now.
Although that's true, both services also have a vested interest in being accurate. Fans go back to old lists and look at how accurate these sites are. Hell, these sites do the same thing to themselves from time to time.
So they can pander to the big fanbases to an extent, but if they do it too much they'd lose their credibility, which doesn't make those fanbases happy anyway.
But people have also been saying that Dilfer had Matt Barkely unranked at this event. If that is true, Dilfer's rankings don't necessarily translate to college success. I really get the feeling that Dilfer's rankings are based mostly on how responsive the kids were to his tutoring.
Dilfer just gets butt hurt when qb's do not act like his disciples and praise the ground he walks on.
So why did they rank Johnny Stanton so low given that Dilfer gave him very high marks? Nebraska is also a huge fanbase.
They rated the USF kid very high despite a small fan base.
They rated the uncommitted guy very low despite the fact that uncommitted recruits generate more buzz if they are highly rated.
It's always good to be cyncial but sometimes you need to call a spade a spade, and I think Dilfer is the clear outlier here compared to literally everybody else who evaluates talent.
Plus, this whole camp is an ESPN production and Dilfer is an ESPN employee, out of which they are going to create a TV special. And of course, ESPN has its own rankings paysite. So it would seem that they also have a vested interest in keeping the fans of one of the largest fan bases in the world happy. Your argument does not compute.
Maybe they think that by contradicting the ranking of other analysts, they will entice viewers to tune in an watch what happened... but not this viewer. I only would have watched if Morris was ranked.
Except he rates the guy with a lone offer from his alma mater very highly...
I really don't understand this reasoning because if you're going to upgrade Michigan recruits to pander to their fanbase, you're probably going to have to do so at the expense of Bama, OSU, USC, Nebraska, PSU, Florida etc etc recruits.
it seemed like people who played the way Dilfer played in the league got higher marks. Like some said earlier, if you do it the way he wants then you get a "high" mark.
I mean it's not like all QB's play the same way and therefore shouldn't be taught to be played like a certain average qb in the league.
Again Trent Dilfer has forgotten more about the QB spot then I will ever know but even he has to know that all kinds are different and if they have the ability to make throws they are simply going to do that.
I don't think anyone should be concerned about Shane missing the official Elite 11 cut. Looking at previous winners, although there are some standouts on the list, making the list is by no way indicative of your future. Just look at 2009 - these guys should be among the best QBs in the nation right now, but they haven't done much and most have transffered at least once:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_11#2012
Blake Bell, Oklahoma (2011 Insight Bowl Offensive MVP)
Joe Boisture, Michigan State to Retired
Robert Bolden, Penn State
Tyler Bray, Tennessee
Barry Brunetti, West Virginia to Mississippi
Devin Gardner, Michigan
Jake Heaps, BYU to Kansas (2010 New Mexico Bowl MVP)
Austin Hinder, California
Nick Montana, Washington to Mt. San Antonio College
Jesse Scroggins, USC to El Camino College
Phillip Sims, Alabama to Virginia
Chandler Whitmer, Illinois to Butler Community College to Connecticut
Thats also known as the worst year for QBs in the rivals era. I think there was like 1 or 2 QBs in the top 100 and none were 5 stars. I don't think anyone is too surprised that not too many have panned out
"Dilfer Sucks. Im calling for a man named Dilfer Sucks. Could you page him please? It's urgent." -Drew and Mike
A couple of things:
The Elite 11 is not chosen by Trent Dilfer alone. It is a collaborative effort of all the QB coaches at the event. It is inaccurate and unfair to blame Dilfer alone if you disagree with Shane being left out of the Elite 11.
The Elite 11 is a "process-oriented" camp, and from what I've read, Shane is a "results-oriented" QB prospect at this point (not a good thing).
Good process + Good result = Expected.
Good process + Bad result = Bad Luck.
Bad process + Bad result = Expected.
Bad process + Good result = Luck.
From what I've heard and read, Shane made a ton of good throws at the camp but repeatedly went to the wrong place with the ball. It may have looked good to some scouts but not the coaches. Making a throw to the wrong place is generally NOT what you want a QB to do even if his physical skills will sometimes allow him to get away with it. When you have success by making the wrong decisions and reads, you are typically getting lucky. I think that's what happened here at least from the coaches' point of view. This is what I've read anyway. I'm sure it will not change opinions.
WR drops pass or deflects it to defender. DB makes a great play. WR runs wrong route. Many ways.