Meyer a Rodriguez Redux?
Here's an idea:
let's hire a very well regarded coach, who runs a system completely different from ours.
lets give up our power I system for the spread.
our new guy is an offensive guru, the defense will take care of itself
will the in-house power structure accomodate getting away from the style of play we are accustomed to?
Rodriguez then.
Meyer now.
Tell me the difference.
November 25th, 2011 at 5:43 PM ^
He had the best recruiting class in the country his last year. The cupboard is not bare at Florida. Also feel free to seemingly not respect the accomplishments of a guy at that went 10-1 at BG, had Utah undeafeated and in the BCS, and won two national championships. I think it's pretty factual, not opinion based, to say that he is easily one of the top three coaches in college football right now.
November 25th, 2011 at 11:28 AM ^
Wasn't Mattison a co-defensive coordinator? Also, he had a few other really talented defensive players and a guy named Percy Harvin. Is Meyer really only an offensive guru type? I thought he was a more balanced. Nonetheless, I think we can expect some quality defenses.
Also, to the OP. Meyer has won a national championship and has been nationally televised or presented more than RR had been so he has a step up in recruiting. Plus, the team they have at TSIO is young now. I don't think they will have the depth and lack of talent issues we had that plagued us for RR's tenure. I know you want to think on the bright side, but I just don't see Meyer crashing an failing. Sure it might take a year or two to get the program where he wants it to be competitive, but eventually there is a good chance they will be there. I'm not saying they will be better than us, but they will be able to compete.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:31 PM ^
OSU's Lloyd Carr. He may win games but he won't be able to beat Michigan.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:37 PM ^
His name was John Cooper.
Of course, if he's Lloyd Carr for OSU I'm sure they'd take going 6-7 against Michigan, winning a ton of Big Ten titles and a national championship.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:39 PM ^
I'd take that, too. I don't care how Ohio State does against anyone else but us.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
John Cooper went 2-10-1 against us. That's a lot worse than 6-7.
November 24th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
To be late era Lloyd Carr instead of just Lloyd Carr.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Even though he is a good coach i don't think he is that good of a recruiter and will have a tough time getting all of the power offense guys from Ohio to play in his spread offense. His classes at Florida were rated great but now we are seeing his last 2-3 in action without Tebow and a lot of them were overrated and the Gators are not very good. It will be an interesting rivalry between Hoke and Urban but we have Greg Mattison who ran Urban's defense in Florida and is the best recruiter in the nation.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^
Meyer is from the Midwest and understands what it means to coach OSU.
Meyer understands what he doesn't know and is willing to hire someone like Charlie Strong and Mattison as DC and let them coach the defense the way they want.
Meyer has gotten a QB drafted number 1 in the draft and had another win the Heisman.
The difference between winning the SEC and winning the Big East is like the difference between winning in the Big Ten and winning in the MAC
November 25th, 2011 at 3:53 AM ^
November 24th, 2011 at 8:37 PM ^
Meyer would walk into an environment where he would be more or less left alone and allowed to run his system and hire his people, assuming they are available (one is not, of course - his former DC is ours). I think that OSU fans are willing to welcome just about anyone they believe could lead them to a place that they believe should be theirs.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:40 PM ^
Win without mullen and strong.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:12 PM ^
And mattison
November 24th, 2011 at 9:15 PM ^
You look at his years without Tebow and the fact he was clearly out schemed by Lloyd Carr and Mike DeBord Urban gets more credit as a genius than is due...although no shame in getting schooled by hof Lloyd. Urban will only be as good as his staff ask Will Muschamp how easy it is to walk into a coaching transition.
November 25th, 2011 at 6:43 AM ^
.....just turned down my interview request. I don't blame him, given what he walked into.
I will say, however, that I am not worried about Meyer regardless.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:43 PM ^
I don't see it being a return to Tressel's reigning years, but I would be (pleasantly) shocked to see Meyer do as poorly as Rodriguez.
Regardless, BEAT OHIO
November 24th, 2011 at 8:45 PM ^
Nowhere near the same type of hire.
First, no one is forcing OSU to look for a coach. While Michigan had no choice because Carr was leaving, OSU could have stuck with Fickell if they wanted. However, actively pursued Meyer because they thought it'd better for the program, not because they were backed into a corner to do so.
Secondly, not only does Urban have BCS bowl experience at multiple schools, he has multiple national championships. RichRod only had BCS bowl experience, and getting to the BCS from the Big East isn't really the hardest thing in the world to accomplish.
Thirdly, Meyer's coming from Florida, a top tier football institution, not a 2nd rate BCS conference school like WVU.
Lastly, and most importantly, Urban has ties to OSU. Many of us (unfortunately, myself included) never gave RichRod a chance because we saw him as an outsider. In the words echoed by many U of M fans about our own new coaching situation, a phrase to explain Urban's relationship to OSU is "he gets it."
November 24th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^
November 24th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^
everyone in Ohio wants Meyer (or majority), people here were split on les. He'll have much more support to START (will fade quickly with looses) not to mention he's more highly regarded throughout the country. Although for people to think he will have immediate success is absolutely dumb. He will have a rough 1-2 year stretch. The question becomes what if M beats the shit out of Meyer 2 years in a row? And they have subpar seasons? I think we all know those Ohio fans will be calling for his head.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:52 PM ^
Meyer at least has a talented spread qb already, and he will likely do a much better job putting together a staff. He's a better coach than Rod and he's done it at an elite program already.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:57 PM ^
will be as good as his talent which Ohio has plenty of. He will also be able to recruit nationally.
Meyer will also be as good as the assistants that he hires. Quite possibly he will have his choice of assistants that would flock to OSU for the cahnce at that type of program and the abundance of talent in that state. That being I still like our chances against an OSU thats run like a clean program.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:39 PM ^
What on earth would make you think Urban Meyer is clean?
November 24th, 2011 at 8:58 PM ^
Guy has two national titles, a midwest background and success in probably the toughest conference in college football.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:58 PM ^
Why are people saying good things about Urban Meyer in this thread? He is completely and utterly unlikeable in every way.
November 24th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
People are making objective points about his record of success. You are making subjective statements about his likeability.
November 25th, 2011 at 1:11 AM ^
Objective points about Urban Meyer:
-Had 33 players arrested at Florida with many questioning his ability to quash the problem with fairly light in-house punishments
-He announced he wanted to step down from coaching after the 2009 season.
-Changes his mind the very next day and takes an undetermined leave of absence. Is given the option by the AD to take as much as a whole season off if he desires.
-Goes back to work full-time after just a few weeks as a part-timer. Reportedly tells mega-recruit Sharrif Floyd that he had a dream about coaching him at UF and it inspired his speedy recovery.
-Quits Florida, for good, after a relatively crappy season.
-Makes his flirtation with Ohio State unnecessarily public before their season even ends. Apparently is thinking one season away was all he needed even though that coincides with the very option he had at Florida yet neglected to take.
Conclusion about Urban Meyer based on these objective facts: The guy a major league flake.
November 25th, 2011 at 10:58 AM ^
Pretty much spot on. The guy's credibility will be questioned by parents, athletes and coaches in living rooms across America.
November 25th, 2011 at 5:50 PM ^
As far as I can tell he has said nothing about it other than "I have not been offerred or accepted anything."
Oh and regardless of that answer, the fact that he may be a flake has nothing to do with the fact that he is an outstanding football coach with an almost unprecedented record of success.
November 24th, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^
There seriously needs to be a ban on all Urban Meyer threads. People on this board are starting to sound like they are scared to see Ohio get a big name coach. I don't care who they hire as coach and whether he has or hasn't won championships before. All we need to know is that we've got a great staff who recruits well, coaches well, and has the team pointed in the right direction.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:03 PM ^
We have Greg Mattison and Brady Hoke and (arguably) the top recruiting class in the country. I will take that over Urban Meyer and a program in disarray. Did we all think Ohio State would hire Houston Nutt and be mired in mediocrity for 15 years?
November 24th, 2011 at 9:19 PM ^
I think it was worth talking about once but there shouldn't be a new thread about it everyday. We have a great staff. Ohio will probably assemble at least a good staff themselves. It's whatever, much more interested in Saturday than off field chatter.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^
Well said, KB. We are Michigan. Ohio is our biggest rival. They're going to be successful based on their legacy and strong backing. With this hire, they will likely handle the coaching transition much more smoothly that we did the last two times. There is nothing we can do about this. All we can do is trust our damn fine current coaching staff, support the program and continue to believe in the players. The stronger our conference and our rivals are, the greater our success against them will stand. Weak attempts to find flaws with this obviously accomplished coach and solid hire are slightly pathetic and un-Wolverine-like. If you're worried we can't compete against this guy, root for a program you think can. Otherwise get in line with the "Bring It On" crowd. This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^
November 24th, 2011 at 9:16 PM ^
Meyer will be successful at OSU. Not as successful as Buckeye fans think he will be, but successful nonetheless.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:19 PM ^
Aside from all of the points already made, I feel the circumstances are different in another way
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<br>When Carr left, I believe most fans felt his offense had stagnated (ie "lloydball"). We went for RR who was pretty much the anti-Lloyd in every way possible. It was our attempt at "modernizing" our scheme.
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<br>With Ohio, I feel Meyer is just the best coach available. While many fans may not like Tresselball, I don't think it's a driving force in their selection criteria.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:25 PM ^
Les Miles is a closer analogy. Meyer has ties to OSU and he's won a national championship at an SEC school.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
I think he's had a little more success than RR did under his belt when he was hired at Michigan...two NCs and numerous BCS bowls. Ergo, he is probably a better and at least more respected nationally coach than Rodriguez was at the time he was hired at Michigan (None of this is intended to bash RR, FYI)
Ohio fans already had to sit through this year. So it's not like they don't really want a change. Imagine Michigan fans having to sit through Ron English, only Ron English being a lame duck from the start and having some of his best players suspended. So yeah, they're ready for what's next there.
I could see Meyer having a little tougher time recruiting at Ohio than he did at Florida, but he'll get guys. If I'm Gene Smith that's who I want to hire, there's definitely not a better available coach.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
Someone please tell Brian that google is putting fucking Ohio State gear on the banners right now and I am pissed the fuck off because I just verped my moms awesome Thanksgiving dinner.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:32 PM ^
1. Expect more Gholston-esque play: Brandon Spikes attempts to gouge out an opponents eyes, and Meyer gives him a half-game suspension.
2. Meyer won with Zook's recruits.
3. Tebow leaves, Mullen leaves, and Florida produces a 7-5 result.
4. 33 Gator players arrested, and that's what was reported to the press... Did they report Cam Newton's problems in that 33?
5. Did I mention Mattison was the D coordinator of the firsr National Championship team?
6. Meyer has a history of being a whiner and overly emptional, not characteristics of a successful coach.
November 24th, 2011 at 9:51 PM ^
Chad Henne leaves, Mike Hart leaves, we go 3-9
Terelle Pryor leaves, a buttload of seniors graduate etc, and they go 6-5
Your point is stupid. Every program goes through a down season. Except Nick Saban but that's because his kids are on roids.
November 24th, 2011 at 11:07 PM ^
Zook couldn't win with Zook's recruits.
Meyer's second NC was with his own recruits, and Mattison had left by then.
Meyer led Utah to an undefeated season and a BCS bowl win, the first ever for a team from a non-AQ conference.
November 25th, 2011 at 12:22 AM ^
Yeah, Ohio will never stand for a morally-bankrupt coach even if he does win games. Real bastion of integrity down there
November 24th, 2011 at 10:00 PM ^
Urban Meyer actually understands that defense reperesents half the game, and thought it important enough to bring in top-notch assistants and recruits.
Rich Rodriguez thought it was a good idea to employ Tony Gibson.
End of discussion.
November 24th, 2011 at 10:15 PM ^
Did you hear that Meyer is contacting various former OSU players and influential alumni to be sure they are all in for him? Do you think that RR's experience at Michigan has become a lesson to any future coaches at places with long and rich football traditions about what they need to do to be successful?
Meyer probably went right out and bought 3 and Out and has carefully read it by what he has done and what his actions are right now and going forward!
November 25th, 2011 at 12:45 AM ^
Source on this? It would be a proof-like substance regarding his commitment to taking the job.
November 24th, 2011 at 10:55 PM ^
Id hire him...2 national titles where one of them was against me...but I like our chances...Greg Mattison! That defense for Florida was lights out...Just ask Troy Smith and then Ray Lewis! Id love to see McNamara from San Diego, CA come in for a visit and grab a commit! It would be great to feature the Senior Mr. Koger for 4-5 catches and 1 td saturday!!! GO BLUE! I hope there are more blue than red there tommorrow. Come on Season Ticket Holders, go to the game!!!
Prediction
Michigan 26
Ohio State 14
November 24th, 2011 at 10:59 PM ^
Urban better figure out that defense is more than half the game, because in Big Ten country it is everything. Its everything to give Denard that many opportunities. The only criticism I had was answered last game, if there not open use your legs to run! Do it this game too please! He does that and we win!